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Crazy Ted posted:I just want to get this straight since I've been at work all day... This is totally incorrect and patently ridiculous - they are in fact being drugged with ecstasy and methamphetamines.
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If I were the rebels I'd rig the important oil infrastructure in Ras Lanuf to blow in case they get driven out again, if they have the equipment for it.
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At least there were no casualties.
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t3ch3 posted:The authorization order was made weeks ago, before the UNSCR and was just now leaked by someone to the Guardian. I highly doubt it was a purposeful leak from the administration. Yeah, it's technically news but would be more surprising if it wasn't happening.
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Your cynicism is deeply inspiring.
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Ham posted:
That is good news, I was very surprised to hear he had returned to his old haunts after all that had happened.
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I think that's an extremely silly way of looking at it. It's not like Gaddafi wasn't selling us oil to begin with.
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I don't know about that, events seem to be becoming much more serious and I have to expect some sort of international reaction. Doubt it'll come to bombing them, of course.
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Gadaffi's sitting back in his bunker going, "drat! I really thought they would go for it this time!"
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Thanks for keeping up with the updates, even if some attention has moved on this stuff is still as important as it was before.
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Thanks for doing your best to keep this thread worthwhile and readable.
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We all appreciate your skills at trolling but at this point it might be better for you to recognize that and move on.
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What's happening in Yemen right now is really, really terrible and the consequences could be very bad. Saleh made his bed, but it's both the Yemeni people and the entire world that's going to have to sleep in it.
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If only we could help in Yemen and Syria. I don't mean bombing them, necessarily, but at least in Libya we don't feel completely helpless as people are murdered.
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At least in many ways it's good that what we thought happened didn't actually happen. Still kind of a strange thing to do, though. Although, terrible things happening to real people is still a reality.
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The only reason we're paying billions in aid to Pakistan is, well, we're already paying billions in aid to them. Personally I consider this a waste of money.
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Because either it's facing troubles in towns on those borders or it's going to create trouble on the border in order to create regional instability and a situation where it's more advantageous for Syria to remain controlled by the Assads.
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ThePutty posted:To me it seems like Gadaffi supporters shot him the same way they shot up the Al Jazeera reporter while he was on the way to the trial. This poo poo isn't good, but I'm hoping that the rebels can pull through and that there's enough commanders to replace Younis and continue the push. Either that or the supporters of the other guy were convinced that he was still talking with Ghadaffi and things got out of hand. Earlier in the thread someone quoted Libyan state TV as saying there would be good news w/r/t Younis w/in the week. What if he was planning to sabotage the rebels and defect?
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When he was in power his illnesses were downplayed or hidden so as to not stoke fears of his passing. Now it's in his benefit to be infirm, hoping for more lenient treatment.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:"Get out". It's already been asked and answered. There's a difference between Arabic and Hebrew, in case you weren't aware.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:Ugh, I'm a loving idiot. Sorry. I was a little dickish on my part too, sorry for that.
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They're not talking directly to Gaddafi.
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NYTimes posted:Israeli forces said they killed seven of the attackers and hours later retaliated further with an airstrike in Gaza. Six Palestinians, several of them members of a militant group, were killed in the strike, according the group’s spokesman and medical officials in Gaza. That's all that's there right now.
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Brown Moses posted:The centres of Zliten and Zawiyah have both been secured by the rebels in the past few hours. This is good news, I was getting concerned with the reports of high casualties. Hopefully they've broken through and things will be smoother now.
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Golbez posted:In other words, let Tripoli rot while they consolidate the remainder of the country under one flag. That would seem to be a sound strategy. If the alternative is a bloody siege, then perhaps it would be. For a time, at least.
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I hope this wasn't too hasty on the part of those inside Tripoli.
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Everyone's afraid, man. It's the human condition. Some are afraid with more reason, though.
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Gadahffi can go suck an egg.
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Oh jeez, no place for us here! Better skedaddle!
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The sooner Berlusconi and everything affiliated with him is out of power the better. It's almost unbelievable that he and his companies have lasted so long but hopefully he's nearing the end of his influence.
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Even if it wasn't subtle, if it was him then he got away with it.
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I'm surprised there aren't any posts about Yemen (lord knows I'm underqualified), but today over 50 protesters have been killed, many hundreds wounded, and the protesters together with defected army members claim to have seized a army base.
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LYE-OONS posted:So it looks like Yemen is going to go the armed rebellion route. Too bad that the government let it get this far out of hand, they should have looked to Egypt and Libya to see that dictators cannot just ride out popular discord anymore. This does bring up the question of how far Saudi Arabia will go to keep this from happening, though. So far the protesters themselves still claim to be nonviolent, and the seizure of the base was without bloodshed (the regime soldiers ran away - the defected army members with the protesters were armed but apparently didn't fire). But the gist of what I'm getting from recent news is that the recent bloodshed is pushing the demonstrators as a whole to be more amenable to arming themselves. Considering the blood they've shed without the kind of reaction and protection they expected from the international community, it's not hard to imagine why. And the defected army units are a whole different matter.
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After New Pledge to Leave, Signs of Yemeni President’s Resolve to Lingerquote:CAIRO — Amid all the chaos and conflict that have engulfed Yemen, one fact seems immutable: President Ali Abdullah Saleh will not voluntarily leave office any time soon. I, for one, am shocked. Shocked.
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Brown Moses posted:Peter said the incident exposed the lack of coordination between fighters from Benghazi on the eastern side of Sirte, and the Misratan forces pushing forward from the south. Stuff like this is terrible but makes me really, really glad the toppling of Tripoli didn't happen the way everyone expected.
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Fog of war, man. Honestly better that way than being strung up like Saddam. What an embarrassing shitshow that was.
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I haven't seen this posted yet, so I wanted to bring it up:"Trial of Americans in Egypt Shakes Ties Between Nations posted:Egypt will begin criminal proceedings on Friday against 19 Americans and two dozen others in a politically charged investigation into the foreign financing of nonprofit groups that has plunged relations between the United States and Egypt to their lowest point in three decades, state news media reported Saturday. And from an Op-ed: "Empty Talk on Tahrir Square posted:The military, [Mohamed Elbaradei] said, had assumed control of Egypt “as if no revolution had taken place and no regime had fallen.” And he may be right. This is beyond frustrating. Obviously, the military government is trying to convince the broad masses that whatever problems they are currently experiencing are due to American meddling and not their own blatant failings at governance and proceeding along the agreed-upon path towards a democratically elected civilian government. Beyond the foremost irony of the recipients of $1.5 billion accusing others of being supported by Americans, it's deeply disappointing that the choice they have made is clear: blame the outsiders, retrench, hold on to power and refuse to make the real structural changes needed to fulfill the goals of the revolution. Holding our aid hostage against the review of their peace treaty with Israel is... well, it's hard not to feel insulted. I'm tempted to say we should just call their bluff but I'm not the one who has to deal with the consequences.
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Chortles posted:It makes way more sense if you view Mubarak's ouster as SCAF sacrificing their "figurehead" to preserve their junta and them never having been for the revolution to begin with. I don't think many people ever thought the military was for the revolution per se, but there used to be the hope that they would go along with it for the best interests of the country. Why does realism always win...
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It's very strange that there isn't an Afghanistan thread to be found anywhere on SA. Especially considering how critical it is to any number of other topics that do have active threads in other forums. My immediate feelings are that the offending soldier/s should be publicly executed in the town in which they murdered at least 16 innocent civilians. There is no excuse, none at all, for what they did. And they should be worse off than if they did their crime in Texas, where at least it would be painless. I know that this won't happen, but it's the only thing that would in some degree mitigate their crimes. We really are screwed in Afghanistan. Too bad we had to waste so much time and money before we realized the Army didn't have any clue what its capabilities were.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm sure someone in the Pentagon tomorrow will be downplaying this like crazy, despite the fact that according to them everything has been going great over there with the training. Plus I believe Obama is still claiming that we are sticking in there until sometime in 2014. The whole situation is stupid. I wouldn't view 2014 as a time we're sticking there until, it's more like we 2014 is the soonest we could get out. We have a lot of people and things there and it takes a long time to move everything, not to mention the need to try to avoid a complete vacuum of power. Everybody wants out, ASAP. And while the Pentagon might downplay the green-on-blue incidents they are probably going nuts internally trying to figure out how the hell the pull-out plan is going to work when the ANA and police have proven to be completely unreliable (as one might have predicted years ago). These people basically WERE the pull-out plan, and it turns out we've basically given guns and power to a bunch of power-hungry men who probably have very different ideas about how to use that power than we do. Deja vu is here again. Personally I think we are going to throw up our hands and just leave as fast as we can, and things will get very very bad over there afterwards. But at this point there's simply nothing we can do to make it better. Mozi fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Sep 18, 2012 |
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