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de_dust2 posted:You mean those 6 or 7 conglomerations that own everything we see on TV? Not so varied to me.. It was humanitarian in that the regional interests of NATO happened to run in parallel with the actual desires of the populace for once and NATO saw an opportunity to both remove a thorn and gain some rare good publicity. Most people aren't saying they did it out of the goodness of their hearts, but they are recognizing that the humanitarian aspect of the intervention made it more politically acceptable than it otherwise would have been to citizens of NATO countries.
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HoveringCheesecake posted:Well, you have horrible stories like this. That's a horrible story, but there's very little corroboration for it. What's more likely: That she was kept in a room where they forced her to execute prisoners with her AK at gunpoint for 3 days, and her only way to escape was to jump out the window just in time to be caught by rebels, or that she was a sniper who jumped off the roof when the rebels got close.
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Qaddafi did build some infrastructure, he also put in place some social programs. Maybe he did it out of the kindness of his heart, maybe he did it to elevate certain portions of the population above others and insure their loyalty, maybe he did it to stoke his ego so he could go around African Union Summits talking about how well off Libyans were compared to other Africans. Whatever. He also violently suppressed political freedoms for decades, turned his country into a playground and personal bank account for his family, embezzled a sum so staggering it made him easily the richest man in the world, and pissed off the citizens of his own country enough that they were willing to do the dying on the ground necessary to remove him. He was an egotistic dictator, but he was still human, possessing both flaws (many) and virtues.
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Barry the Sprout posted:Those Imams died somehow? So did Gaddafi's step daughter, amirite
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esquilax posted:What law has he broken? It's not illegal to serve in another country's armed forces (you don't even get your citizenship stripped from you any more), and America has no jurisdiction on stuff that he does in Libya as far as I know. Some people tried to imply he was a war criminal because he shot at a water tank a few times during the siege of Sirte. I don't buy it, but it's semi-plausible. Possibly he could be guilty of murder because he was never formally sworn into any military force as far as I know, and didn't wear any uniform, which might maybe make him an unlawful combatant of some type. In any event, the US wouldn't have jurisdiction in Libya, but an ICC complaint could be brought against him or something? I'm a bit murky on all the specifics.
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