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ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Notahippie posted:

There's two big shifts in his character between M&C and Post Captain. His relative wealth/inheritance in Spain* and the fact that he's suddenly an intelligence agent for the British Government where in M&C there's no hint of it an in fact he explicitly says that he's completely done with politics of all stripes. My take has always been that these changes are less a reflection of changes in his thinking as a person, and instead they're changes that O'Brien made when he decided to turn a one-off book into a series. I think the two changes give him a lot more plot hooks to develop and O'Brien inserted them for authorial strategy reasons rather than natural character development.







*Catalonia

Yeah, that's my reading of it too.

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ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Tias posted:

Tag for following. I've only just started reading Master and Commander, is there commentary on it in this thread somewhere? I'm having a lot of trouble getting the slang.

Here are translations for the foreign phrases: http://www.saignon.org/FINE%20BOOKS/PERPLEXED/CLASSIC/Classic2004.htm

For the ship parts I just used google. There are some guide books too, but I haven't read them.

e: and here are the various Aubreyisms explained: https://hmssurprise.org/aubreyisms

ChubbyChecker fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jun 24, 2020

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Molybdenum posted:

ive said this before but this series of books was my first introduction into the genre as a whole. after obrian i read the dudley pope series, cs forester and now im reading bernard cornwall's sharpe novels. i feel like im always chasing the high i got from reading obrian and i may never get it again except for the inevitable re-reads.

exactly the same thing happened to me

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Raskolnikov2089 posted:

Strange and Norrell is one of my favorite books. It's very much a manners comedy, like O'Brian, Austen, etc, so if you enjoy the humor from the latter two, I think you'll enjoy Strange and Norrell.

Sharpe I enjoy for the history of battles (Cornwell always does great research) and the battles are exciting but I can only read a little bit of Sharpe at a time. Every book is basically the same. A haughty new officer hates Sharpe. A new foe appears. A new woman appears. Sharpe fights the new officer. In order to get out of trouble, he has to undertake some impossible John Wick-ian task involving the new foe (or the officer if he's the main villain) in a big battle. Rinse and repeat, every book.

yeah, and he has the same format in his viking books

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Raskolnikov2089 posted:

I'm far from the only person who has noticed this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sharpe+formula+cornwell

Not saying Sharpe novels aren't entertaining, they're certainly a cut above most historical fiction. But there is definitely a heavily recurring story structure.




Also I just realized we're talking other historical fiction and no one has mentioned Flashman

there's also an ancient front page article: https://www.somethingawful.com/awful-movie-database/sharpes-piss-pot/

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

That's fuckin great!

And yeah Sharpe is formulaic but that's the charm. Cornwell is definitely dumbed down a bit from O'Brian but he's technically competent in a way most historical fiction authors just aren't.

We do have an ongoing Let's Read of Flashman right now! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3894423

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018




ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

What a bunch of prudes we've become.

And jerks (we've become). The loss of formal dinner is quite the tragedy.

Is this a project Gutenberg recreation or just fake? It starts off with a couple of long s characters but the rest are clearly 'f'. The crossbar can be seen and there are f ligatures in places. Feems quite inconfiftent.

Was this an 18th century "cool ftory bro"?

no idea, i found it in the cursed pics thread

and formal dinners haven't disappeared, and no one is stopping you from organizing one

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

It really freaks me out every time I remember the current head of the FBI is a Mr. Wray

haha

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



MeatwadIsGod posted:

Patrick Tull's narration

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

Yeah it's definitely skipped and there are plenty of opportunities. At one point I went through some of the battles and there are places where impossible directions are given, and others where the behavior of the vessel seems contradictory.

See "mechanism" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship%27s_wheel

Could you post some examples.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Sax Solo posted:

(That ships' wheel gif was still hosed so I fixed it up, lol ... Can't wait to be wrong, or to be right and still the wiki fuckers out-stubborn me.)

I found out years ago that it's useless to try and fix errors in Wikipedia since some wikilord sitting on the article will just revert it back.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

What do these people watch?

probably disney and marvel ips

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Master and Commander is currently free to watch if you have Amazon Prime.

all movies are free to watch if you have a vpn

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Stringent posted:

How is it if you've read the books? I remember seeing a snippet of it and wasn't too impressed.

It's great. There were some things that weren't perfect, eg. a hobbit Bonden, and Aubrey should have been more jolly, and Maturin more religious, but it's still one of the best adaptations that I've ever seen. The ship sounds so alive if you have a surround system. And she looks great too. I wouldn't recommend watching it from a cell phone.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I think Maturin is actually cast well, but having listened to all the Patrick Tull audiobooks of the series, I can't here the doctor in any voice but Tull's. It's a shame it didn't turn into a longer series-you would think a huge chunk of the cost was getting the ship built and once they had that it would be much cheaper to make subsequent movies or shows.

Yeah, apart from Bonden the cast was good to great. Maybe Awkward Davies could have been bigger. And Killick was absolutely perfect.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



builds character posted:

I love it too and, going back to hornblower chat too, I haven't found anything that scratches quite the same itch. There are other books that are also good and I enjoy (and I read a couple of the hornblowers and they were fine books) but nothing I love in the same way as these.

absolutely same

i read some bolithos too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bolitho_novels

i've tried chasing the same high but nothing really compares

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Sax Solo posted:

Yeah it's my favorite of the books I think. Some people criticize it of being derivative of Austen. I don't think it is, and to the extent it may be -- well, I like Austen too!

in my first read through i didn't much care for it, but on the second time i kinda liked it

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Finally after twenty years of attempts I convinced someone I know offline to actually read Master and Commander

They asked me the other day "wait, did Jack . . .deliberately break his ship?"

"Remember how the harbor master wouldn't give him new stuff?"

"Ohh, ok, I suspected that but I didn't *know* it"

Then he started talking about how amazed he was at O'Brian's contempt for the concept of explanation

He says he won't read all twenty books just maybe the first three

But he's so hooked

Said his favorite joke so far was how Jack had apparently been ordering dishes in Spanish, on an island that spoke Catalan, for months, without realizing

post his takes on the next 20 books

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Arglebargle III posted:

Sailing question: where is the half-deck exactly?

before the quarterdeck or after the forecastle

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018




ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Beefeater1980 posted:

Black Sails managed, somehow, and it has great naval shots and battles.

it was a horrible show

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



Genghis Cohen posted:

While it certainly made an effort on atmosphere and had good production values, I rather agree this show was pure schlock in terms of plot. I couldn't take the interminable monologues by every character going on and on about their convoluted plans and quasi-philosophical worldview. Stop arranging alliances and immediately double-crossing each other and then reconciling god drat it!

Tias posted:

Seriously. Every pirate on it looks like some Jersey Shore spray tanned brawndo, and they clearly borrowed the Vikings people on set and costume design

i'm very much into pirate and ship shows and really wanted to like the black sails, but i had to bow out in the first episode

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ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018



builds character posted:

Have I got the movie for you! Similar era to Aubrey and Maturin too.

https://youtu.be/05AHp8MgSjk

hah

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