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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


magiccarpet posted:

Sound at Cold Waves was pretty poo poo I thought and they forgot to set up a mic for the singer of The Black Queen which pretty much hosed them up for their whole set.

It was bad at Gramercy if you were near the walls but I thought the sound at Irving Plaza was pretty good. It was hit or miss last year when FLA, RevCo and Cubanate played at Gramercy too. We stood towards the middle during FLA and it was fine.

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

~im gay~



Lipstick Apathy

PIG kicked rear end as usual. Watts was also using a handheld stage light and aiming it at the crowd like a dictator, and aimed it right at me as I prayed to the Lord of Lard while wearing my PIG hat.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

~im gay~



Lipstick Apathy

Killing Joke... is great. Jaz just declared the Granada Theater an autonomous zone and is asking the crowd to write letters to a fan's cancer-stricken father.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at Sep 18, 2018 around 02:57

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

https://twitter.com/casersatz/statu...4627675136?s=19

ohrwurm
Jun 25, 2003




Ughhhhhh whyyyyyy

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

~im gay~



Lipstick Apathy

lol rip

Biomute
Jun 7, 2005


I thought Rome's shtick was being the "sort of lefty" neo-folk band, but I guess he's had a change of heart.

quote:

ROME also show a side of dark folk which, due to its seductive straightforwardness, showcases a new and surprising element as well.

Once again, Reuter has taken the fate of Europe as the thematic focus of his work, although with a new, energetic despair and, yes... anger. Against a backdrop of guitars and howling machines, Reuter deploys his powerful, enraged voice to sing of Europe's precarious situation. ... This teaser release proves yet again that ROME are not afraid to tackle difficult issues.

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic



Fun Shoe


neo-folk not even once.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



Biomute posted:

I thought Rome's shtick was being the "sort of lefty" neo-folk band, but I guess he's had a change of heart.

what does he think the precarious situation actually is?

Wizchine
Sep 17, 2007


A human heart posted:

what does he think the precarious situation actually is?

Preserving Roman culture despite the teeming Barbarian hordes that threaten to overrun it, I imagine. The Visigoths are at the door, don't you know....

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

Mick Mercer posted:

Regardless of individual artists, neo-folk is now so riddled with Nazi undertones it must not be allowed to slip by unchallenged. (Personally, I have a strict editing policy; send me neo-folk records and they go in the bin.) Genuine artists in the neo scene can move sideways into other scenes and be seen to be blameless. The rest can rot.

Everything to do with Nazis is the complete opposite of Goth, which stands for the soppier side of romantic imagery and on its deeper side it’s the rights and dignity and intelligence of the individual. It isn’t something that follows a Master Plan.

Nazism creeps into scenes every few years, sometimes because Nazis themselves are desperately trying to sow the seeds, still unaware their perverted ideals (sic) represent an extreme of humanity; these ideals will only catch on with the barbarically stupid (ensuring its popularity within the skinhead fraternity), but also with Goths (or participants of other scenes) who think themselves ultra-cool, uber-cred, when in fact they are cowards and deserve to be ostracised.

It belongs to people who are essentially dim but think they’re clever. That is how you tell them apart. They will post on forums or even contribute to certain fanzines with low editorial principles, and always end their efforts about how wearing Nazi insignia has got them into trouble, by saying “I guess censorship still lives, eh?” or when suggesting they are only clothes, “still, it’s an interesting point, no?” as though they have sailed single-handedly into new uncharted waters of morality, making points that people need to consider with great time and consideration.

And when they do post on forums, people dread getting involved. The last time I saw it was on a forum was last year where two complete imbeciles, one in the UK and one in Australia, were trying to defend their actions. One had got into trouble for wearing the swastika in school, and claimed as their defence that they didn’t know what it was. If they’re so stupid that by 16 they don’t know what the swastika represents, there’s no hope for them anyway. Then if they didn’t know, why did they put it on? Maybe they sometimes go in wearing an old man’s underwear on their head. “No idea what this is, but it’s an interesting point, no?”

The other was a wanker in this country who had been in trouble in the streets because of his insignia and shirt. “It’s only clothes,” he protested, giving off heroic overtones about the stance he took for personal liberty.
With clothes, it’s perfectly ludicrous. You’re just play-acting your own fantasies of superiority. You think you’re being shocking and decadent by being the one brave enough to pull on a Nazi shirt and wear your little skull and crossbones badge. You think Death In June are whiter than white (oops!) and you can enter the secretive world of neo-folk without a blemish on your character because you’re an explorer, an adventurer.

You’re a total twat, and friends should evaporate to leave you to your own real self-discovery, that you have no worth in a scene, that you have a contempt for others. The association of Nazi imagery is so strong it isn’t just clothes. It is iconic of the worst hatreds and crimes imaginable, and when you pull on the Nazi clothes you’re agreeing with it.

If not, then why is it that when people mention how cool Nazi outfits look, and that the combination of black, red and white just looks great and has nothing to do with the Nazi ethos, that whenever I point out certain horse artillery units of both the British and Canadian armies used exactly the same colour schemes but without looking like neutered monsters, that nobody seems to want to dash off and buy those outfits from army surplus? Hmmmm? And how come they stop answering threads on forums when their arguments shrivel? People try to defend their sick interests by claiming they’re just clothes when they have only one association, of horror and degradation and genocide. They’re not Just Clothes.

If you wear Nazi gear, in any way, without having the guts to declare you are a Nazi, then you are worse than a Nazi. You empathise with them on an unconscious level, but you haven’t the guts to the full way. Anyone sensible loathes the very idea of these people, but at least with genuine Nazi skinheads you now where you stand. Either on their head, or well out of reach, depending on the situation.

Oh, and one other recent example tried to excuse the wearing of a full SS outfit inside Fetish clubs on the grounds that this is understood roleplay between both parties. This can be dealt with quick and easy. This shows a callous disregard for other people, because before parading themselves in public like that, for their own enjoyment, have they stopped to consider they might genuinely upset someone who lost a family member to the Nazi regime? That is nothing more than monumental arrogance (oh, just like the Nazis!)

It isn’t a big problem in the UK, that’s for sure. We have the far right growing because of the asylum issue running out of control; ours will die down again once the problem is stabilised. This sparked a rise in Germany in the late 80’s, but they’ve always had the problem. Hell, they nurtured it until it exploded, and since the war, the wounds have been constantly licked and allowed to fester once more.

In the States, skinhead gangs had the KKK to rely on as their “noble” tradition, and gleefully welcomed Nazi groups as a form of outreach groups of the brotherhood. But the real problem will always be in Germany and Scandinavia, where the Aryan myth and neo-folk draws from the pagan past and satiates the would-be Nazi with their very own primal scream therapy.

At a Treffen event (was it 2002?) some left-wingers attacked the neo-community at some performance. Ironically, the sound of baseball bats against Nazi bones was probably more rhythmical and melodious than the band involved, but when I had people contacting me to see what I thought, it was again noticeable that when I said I thought this was the perfect answer to the problem, the e-mails stopped. Clearly I was being courted as a potential spokesman! Wankers.

Nazis, particularly Himmler, were so into paganism and occult matters to prove their deluded Aryan theories they even invented a Pagan king of their own and claimed he was buried on German soil. They adopted all things Pagan; this cretinous liberation of legends still permeates the neo-folk scene which is something worth being uneasy about because of the way it has grown in size despite being, for the most part, where the singers who can’t sing go to masturbate. Where the old rightwing punks and the grubby, soulless, friendless, charmless “artistes” go to feel sophisticated.

I feel sorry for the genuine Pagan artists who have only their belief in genuine gentle Earth matters and their deities, and care nothing for the Nazi creed. They would be better off moving clearly into the folk scene. Neo-folk clearly implies it is about something else, and simply has too many dodgy associations. Even during the early 90’s there were Pagan fanzines in Germany using imagery that wouldn’t have looked out of place at a Nuremberg rally, and they dress it up by using Scandinavian touches, which is where their true Aryan visual ideal always lurked, and where you can tell if you’re dealing with a hardline Nazi because they’ll get excited mentioning Odin or oak leaves.

It is common sense to realise something disturbing lays beneath the surface when you find band with no songs, with no charisma, attracting people, and it is not acceptable to ignore the problem. If you see people wearing Nazi insignia at Goth clubs, confront them. If you sense friends who are too naïve to know better are being drawn into something you see as being dubious, tell them about it. It isn’t acceptable in the Goth scene, or any scene. Nazis would have Goths strung up, and you owe it to your self-respect not to let these things go by unchallenged. If you don’t, you’re allowing them to get away with thoughts and deeds and aspirations which are fundamentally ugly, which is probably explained quite easily.

The only reason people wanna flirt with Hitler is because nobody sensible wants to flirt with them.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008



Nap Ghost

Biomute posted:

I thought Rome's shtick was being the "sort of lefty" neo-folk band, but I guess he's had a change of heart.

My desperate hope is that once it's actually out it'll become clear that in fact the precarious situation is the rise of the far right and that's bad, but OTOH what the gently caress is up with that t-shirt come on, wearing something with that slogan should get you punched. gently caress sake.

Biomute
Jun 7, 2005


Danger - Octopus! posted:

My desperate hope is that once it's actually out it'll become clear that in fact the precarious situation is the rise of the far right and that's bad, but OTOH what the gently caress is up with that t-shirt come on, wearing something with that slogan should get you punched. gently caress sake.

I kind of doubt it, but it would be nice. In an interview in 2016 he was asked about being seen as left wing even though he professes his music to be apolitical, and his answers seemed noncommittal for someone who says he shuns ambiguity:

quote:

I understand that Rome specifically isn’t meant to express a specific political narrative, and indeed your complete avoidance of that mindset has been a crucial part of Rome’s identity for many fans. Still, you’ve managed to—as an individual—gather a bit of a reputation as being left-leaning, which itself is a “breath of fresh air” for many people who have found your work through the chasms of neofolk music. Do you take any pride in your ability to project that sort of stature? Or, perhaps, does it bother you that fans are applying a political image to you that you haven’t outspokenly professed on your own?

The way you put it is very flattering, thank you. I don’t know how much of the assumption is true and I don’t really know what people project to this or not. When you’re at the centre of it, you can’t see it. I mean, I’ve only been honest about not believing there’s any middle ground when it comes to racism and homophobia, for example. And my back-catalog includes many songs that obviously go against the grain in some way. But as you’ve mentioned, I would not like ROME to be seen as a ‘political band’. That tarnishes things. I don’t want to talk about politics all day long, either. ROME does not push a particular philosophy like some bands (not just in the underground) do. My leaning to the left of things—or whatever it is—is not that important, and I don’t think politics should get in the way of making good art. I’m not saying art is by definition apolitical. I have an opinion, and I’m not afraid to voice it, even if that’s considered uncool. I don’t see why I should cloak anything in ambiguity. ROME’s songs certainly stand for something. ‘For’, as opposed to ‘against’. Yes, I’m interested in politics, as I am interested in history and philosophy and my personality and opinions and obsessions and faults influence the artistic outcome for sure, but…

Maybe that's a commercial strategy and now that alt-right art has gotten some real money behind it he is looking to make that his thing? In an interview about the new single or whatever it seemed like the interviewer was trying to get at something sort of related:

quote:

I’m also a long term Morrissey fan. He’s suffering from a bit of a backlash these days, from media and certain factions of his fan base, because of him expressing support for alt-right party For Britain. Where do you stand on all of this? Does it serve him right or should we separate the artist from the person?

Oh, poo poo, I disagree with someone, let’s lynch him! He’s not entitled to his opinion when we know so much better. We like diversity but God forbid we should allow diversity of opinion… We could end up in a democracy without realizing it. This cannot stand. We have to burn his records. Our artists should be role models in all regards, they have no right to be wrong.

Anyway…I’ve been into Morrissey for years and I have learned to not agree with him. I like my meat and my monarchy. So there we go.

Maybe he's being coy, but with a shirt like that he really should explain himself. He is not Laibach.

Biomute fucked around with this message at Sep 18, 2018 around 21:39

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

I mean it's extremely obvious that he's a radical right-winger. Regardless of how anyone feels about playing around with imagery and symbols, the "West is Best" thing is just a straight up white supremacist slogan.

Even if that was out of the picture, it's a huge red flag when someone is asked "Why do you associate with the far right" and their answer is an aggrieved rant about free speech and having a right to their opinion, without being willing to actually discuss ideas.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

~im gay~



Lipstick Apathy

Biomute posted:

Maybe that's a commercial strategy and now that alt-right art has gotten some real money behind it he is looking to make that his thing? In an interview about the new single or whatever it seemed like the interviewer was trying to get at something sort of related:
The precarious situation is the Rome guy's looming house and car payments probably

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



Grimey Drawer

If you embrace nazi ideals for a paycheck you are still a nazi.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012




its kind of weird to say that nazism only crept into neofolk recently when its been there since the very beginning from the bands that founded it. like all those early DIJ and sol invictus records have references to evola and stuff, it's not subtle

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.

I'm not saying that.

If anything, developments in the past few years have made it easier to figure out stuff like "But Douglas Pearce is gay, how could he be a Nazi?" although five minutes of reading would acquaint people who say that with Ernst Rohm.

morally adept
May 10, 2017

See all I know is ball, and good, and rape.

Its obvious that Death in Rome is the only good neo folk band.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012



morally adept posted:

Its obvious that Death in Rome is the only good neo folk band.

It doesn't seem very obvious that a band that stole their whole sound from earlier bands and just used it to do gimmicky covers of pop songs is good

Tias
May 25, 2008

Destroying property is not violence, no matter how much corporate media tries to create the equation.

Put this loser on ignore immediately!




Danger - Octopus! posted:

The lineup at Roadburn this year looked like an insane mixture of metal and electronic and weird stuff. Way too much stuff I really didn't like for me to go, but still kinda neat to see really cool lineups like that.

Edit:

I always thought of Leaetherstrip as a kind of cheesy overly spooky industrial band who happen to release an insane amount of stuff and didn't pay them too much attention but holy poo poo this track from the start of the year is ace. It's got the same kind of brutal honesty as Soft Cell or something. So given their huge amount of releases - what Leaetherstrip albums are worth listening to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGsirFCVhgc

Leatherstrip is one of the best Danish acts, and a really cool dude to boot.

morally adept posted:

Its obvious that Death in Rome is the only good neo folk band.

Rome is really good, but apparently they've gone dumb. Also, Death in June er dumb fash or fascist-adjacent, and not really good enough to merit attention once you know that.

Tias fucked around with this message at Sep 24, 2018 around 10:47

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008



Nap Ghost

Tias posted:

Leatherstrip is one of the best Danish acts, and a really cool dude to boot.


I am super excited for this album of cover versions since it includes Ich Komme aus der DDR, which I love.

https://leaetherstrip.bandcamp.com/...-deutsche-w-lle

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Biomute
Jun 7, 2005


Tias posted:

Leatherstrip is one of the best Danish acts, and a really cool dude to boot.

Leætherstrip have done, like, one good track (Evil Speaks), but to his credit it is one of the best in the genre.

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