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Serious question: Do I need new speakers, or is there way too much loving distortion in what's coming out these days? I was just sitting and listening to a bunch of promos from Promo Fabrik, and wumpscut and Skold's new albums, and it's like the artists decided that there needs to be an inch of wool between their music and the listener. Edit: That's setting aside the buttrock-with-a-distortion-pedal bands stinking up Metropolis these days. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 7, 2011 |
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Right now I'm using Sony MDR-V700s, and I don't bother with promos less than 192kbps. I know I said "serious question," but I don't really think it's a hardware issue--these tracks and albums sound just as bad over the radio station soundboard. Over the past 10 years I've heard a bunch of groups who had some beats but ruined their tracks by distorting and mixing them into an indistinct blur--I guess they decided that if distorted vocals were good enough for Sascha and Johan van Roy, they could use it to hide the fact that they had nothing to show when it came to vocals or lyrics. It's only recently that it seems like an epidemic. The thing is, I also notice this in veteran acts like 16volt and Tim Skold. Maybe it's just a byproduct of the decision to focus on industrial rock rather than their more dancefloor-friendly work.
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Pope Guilty posted:It's not electro-industrial, but there's a Cruxshadows video which is about 2/3 the singer and violinist walking along some railroad tracks for no readily apparent reason. Absolutely nothing to do with the song, just we had this footage so whatever.
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I just want to add that Clan of Xymox will never tour the States again, because they want me to be very very sad.
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Sep 4, 2012 02:19
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Remember when industrial music was about how capitalism reduces us to objects, and not about how much fun it is to reduce women to objects?
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Sep 11, 2012 14:42
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het posted:It's okay guys, he's clearly just satirizing people who release their music as coffee table books of BDSM erotica
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Sep 11, 2012 19:32
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I thought that extreme metal and "neo-folk" existed so that we don't have to put up with actual fascists in this scene.
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Sep 11, 2012 23:49
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Last time I paid attention to them, they were determined to keep spiraling downward into repetitive disco.
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Sep 27, 2012 16:18
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Really enjoying the new FLA, Dead When I Found Her, and Prometheus Burning. Oh yeah.
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Nov 22, 2012 19:10
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Twiin posted:I think it is unlikely! But they might change their mind if they hear that a lot of people want a physical release. quote:But something happened. Once industrial music had fully transitioned from avant-garde venues into nightclubs, the stench of Axe body spray began to dominate the subculture as a certain douchey, bro-tastic vibe emerged. Where the goth/industrial scene had once existed as a safe haven for artists, weirdos, outcasts, geeks, dreamers and rebels, a disturbing trend of sexism, racism and anti-intellectualism is driving people out. As much as I'd like to blame misogyny in industrial music on those loving jocks invading it, I think a more likely theory is that the industrial scene has always carried an uneasy balance between coopting violent, militaristic imagery as a protest and embracing it for the power fantasy it provides. The fascism is coming from inside the scene!
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I should have included this in my last post, but I wanted to specifically say that "Weirdos, Outcasts, Geeks, Dreamers and Rebels" often harbor disturbing power fantasies and seek empowerment from fascist, misogynist conventions. To be honest, I can't support what some bands put in the imagery they present, regardless of whether they claim it's ironic and regardles of whether they mean it. Boyd Rice, for example, comes across to me as a creepy idiot with delusions of intellectualism, who does inappropriate things and claims he was taking the piss if he gets called out.
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Dec 3, 2012 18:44
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teethgrinder posted:I didn't realise Kraftwerk touring was such a big deal. I did see them once in Toronto years back ... and fell asleep during Autobahn
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Twiin posted:Terminus in Calgary looks great. Leather Strip, Klutae, Aimon, Distorted Memory, iVardensphere. Assemblage 23 and XP8 if you're into that kind of thing.
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Feb 7, 2013 02:38
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A heroin addict protesting the consumption of products that exploit suffering is bloody hilarious. That's all I got.
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I Die: You Die posted:Johan Van Roy is pretty creatively conservative. For all the dimestore transgression is his lyrics (death, murder, god hates us/is a dick, etc.) he sticks close to what’s been working for him since the massive breakthrough that was 2000′s Mindstrip. And why not? His audience seems content for him to produce upgraded versions of the same minor key oontz exercises every couple of years, complete with slightly better production and a new set of evil movie samples. Aside from the dubious distinction of being the band who has inspired more awful EBM than anyone else (arguably a title shared with the similarly hidebound Hocico) there hasn’t been much that argues for Suicide Commando’s relevance beyond his existing fanbase. Omi-Polari posted:I'm okay with that. I like what I've heard. Also, that blog has become the Pitchfork of industrial music. Really pretentious writing with all of these weird extraneous reasons for liking or not liking a record. It's rarely what you're hearing but what it reflects about something completely arbitrary. I like ID:YD for calling out a lot of the "transgressive" content in industrial music for being rather mundane fantasies of a privileged audience, just like it is in the metal scene. And Christ yes, SC and Hocico have inspired so many godawful bands who sound like they layer the sound of a dishwasher over everything that I got my friends saying YASCRO (yet another Suicide Commando rip-off) to warn each other away from lovely harsh EBM albums without needing a detailed conversation. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 10, 2013 |
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May 10, 2013 18:04
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I've had a backlog of about 40 promo albums, seriously, and am just getting around to previewing them in the past few days. Alfa Matrix has given me a bunch of promos where every track has a robot lady voice saying "This is a promotional copy" about 15 or 30 seconds in. I don't know what they expect me to do with these. I mean, they've informed me, personally, of a few albums I'll want to buy, like the new Dunkelwerk and Helalyn Flowers, but these are promotional materials that I'm not going to promote by playing them. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 19, 2013 |
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Some of the artists actually do it themselves. Ladyhell has a sexy accent, but it will still make me look like an idiot if I play it Tuesday night.
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May 20, 2013 05:48
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You know what makes an amazing new song even better? A fedora.
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Jun 11, 2013 13:16
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With a fedora video, obviously.
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Jun 12, 2013 14:10
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Chris Vrenna! Raymond Watts! That guy from that thing with the stuff!
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Jun 19, 2013 23:56
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Not unless we're talking about rip-offs of Suicide Commando and their affect on industrial music as a whole, no.
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The Cleaner posted:It's a bit much, ya. I think from now on we're going to play it safe and avoid the whole political-social-conspiracies gimmick... and just stick to beating the poo poo out of women while wearing SS-inspired uniforms while waving confederate flags.
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I always associated it with Happy Hardcore and Dance Dance Revolution. Edit: VVV Benedictine and brandy?
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So as long as we're playing "What's that oontz oontz thing called," is there a term for the kind of "harsh EBM" lyrics where the singer sounds like he's already blown his voice out screaming all night, and also like he's about to throw up? Like this. And can it stop? Ever?
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Noricae posted:They'll go on at the same time for a battle of the bands in large steel cages. One band's members will be wearing helmets in the shape of guns and using voice distorters, while the other one will be wearing mecha suits that keep wobbling when they move. It will be an even match. That sounds more like a Funker Vogt/Hanzel und Gretyl tour.
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Omi-Polari posted:Kanye West made the best industrial album of the year. Kanye West posted:Four in the morning, and I'm zoning If so, he definitely beat Aesthetic Perfection for the "Most Embarrassing Lyrics by a Revered Artist" Award.
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  This is gonna get really lovely really quickly. Kind of like "Antibody."
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I don't think he's going in a new direction, though! People complaining about how they miss his "old sound" don't make sense to me, nor do people defending the changes he's supposedly making. "Antibody" doesn't sound stylistically different to me from anything else, he's done, it's just a surprisingly weak song. I'm baffled as to why he decided to release it as a single, but I don't expect it to signal any kind of sea change going forward; I heard "Dead Ringer" from the new album and I liked it.
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Maybe this question is too broad for the thread, but is it ever possible for a band to dodge criticism for evolving? I guess you can either lose fans because you changed, or lose fans because you didn't. On the other hand, I don't think Suicide Commando's changed his style in about 10 years and apparently people keep buying his stuff. But in full disclosure, it's me, I'm the guy who hates it when a band that makes fun dance music disappears for awhile and then comes back with a more mature, thoughtful, serious (i.e. undanceable and boring) release. For example, I was really disappointed by Stromkern's Dead Letters EP.
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So what actually happened on the cruise?
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SacrificialGoat posted:So Hate Dept. put out a new album called New Ghost. It's pretty good.
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DeusExMachinima posted:FH is the closest thing the industrial "scene" has to a dubstep bro. Omi-Polari posted:Or Money. Now here you creeps, punks and freaks I'm Talkin' 'bout fuel for your physiques While the music business fails Check out your resistance to my sales Buy this poo poo, lose your brain Piss your cash, down the drain Stupid fans have made me rich Ram it up your poop-chute, you're my bitch Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Sep 9, 2013 |
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Omi-Polari posted:I hope she gave them a fistful of gently caress you.
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ANAmal.net posted:Welp. I hadn't heard of Faderhead until I saw them live this past Friday, and now I feel guilty for thinking they were rad. Well Wagner was a poo poo but he made some good music. How have you not heard "Dirtygrrrls/Dirtybois" eleventy thousand times like the rest of us? I want to know your secret. Some people think that this kind of poo poo is happening because brostep fratboys are invading our scene, but I think that's dishonest: industrial music fandom has always included a lot of FedorasofOKCupid white guys who don't give a gently caress for progressive politics and take the militaristic power fantasies seriously. VVV Edit: I forgot that they were drag queens and not transgender women. I doubt Faderdude knows the difference. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Sep 9, 2013 |
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I already can't stand Combichrist, and I enjoyed the first part of Nachtmare's set before they got weird with the sexism and poo poo. Is there anyone making that style of music that doesn't have serious issues, or is this just not the right scene for that.
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:Comparison: Laibach, whose imagery relies on similar things. However, Laibach ALSO provides tons of commentary on the things it decides to show to people in everything they do, from the Nazi-looking uniforms that actually aren't Nazi uniforms, to the lyrics that seem like fascist chants but turn out to be direct translations of ordinary pop songs, or the artwork that at first sight can be seen as fascist but is, in reality, by a fervently antifascist artist. It's obvious to anyone who has half a brain and is willing enough to research the band's imagery, lyrics, methods and history just a tiny bit more in-depth that Laibach's reasons for using "totalitarian" imagery are something quite different than promoting fascism.
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Stoddard of Front Line Assembly started a project called Rough Hausen, and it's...surprisingly bad. It's like he's after the juggalo market.
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idie:youdie singled out bands with "terror" in their name as the latest musical trend that needs to die, but "Adjectival Noun" names need to die a thousand times harder. I like Cryogenic Echelon, but I mean, come on. Your name is Frozen Rank? Did they just pick obscure words out of a thesaurus?Hedenius posted:I really liked Kloq and was looking forward to the new album. What the gently caress happened there... I think someone finally beat Apoptygma in the "turn to poo poo" category. Speaking of which, I cannot even come to grips with people saying that the best industrial is really coming from mainstream hip-hop producers. In fact, I just can't come to grips with Kanye West's new album being a piss-awful piece of crap. I liked My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Yeezus sounds like another in a years-long succession of mainstream hip-hop albums with the latest musical trend dumped on them like a cheap sauce. It's the musical equivalent of a Chili's appetizer, and the lyrics sounds like he was talking in his sleep. Edit: VVV Great live show, album is still bullshit. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Oct 29, 2013 |
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Does the title mean he's embracing his role as a creepy guy people hate?
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It annoys me when the Geek Social Fallacies forestall people in the scene from calling out others who are bigoted and creepy. If Combichrist represents the douchebros who wandered into the scene, Rainer is the privileged egotist who's always been hanging around, but we didn't want to talk about. If he doesn't understand why "I'm not a Nazi, I just get off on dressing up like one and slapping women around" is not acceptable, I don't think anyone can reach him. I say this because his attitude reminds me of a few people I've met in my regional scene. I don't expect everyone who listens to industrial music to become a radical leftist, but I am aghast at manchildren who have been in the scene for years, and think the music and the imagery is actually a validation of their white, male, straight, privileged South Park Republican view of the world. I just don't understand how their willful ignorance can be so thoroughly impregnable. DeusExMachinima posted:I don't hate Rainer for being an ironic Nazi. The reactions are too funny. I hate him for being a unedgy, copycat smuglord. Is there anything approaching a consensus on Death in June? For a long time I thought it was just another band toying with controversial imagery without having the same commitment to theatre and commentary that you see in Laibach, but then I read some articles about DiJ attracting sincere bigots to their shows and supporting fascist causes. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Nov 6, 2013 |
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