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Twiin posted:Things like this remind me of just how small the industrial scene is. "If you come from industrial, in a way you’re tainted." - from their recent Dave Heckman interview (haha). Definitely a great review/interview site. Are there any similar sites out there (that get regular updates)?
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Pope Guilty posted:Side-line is great! It's like a website that I can go to to see all the email Alfa Matrix sends me, only on a webpage! And thanks! Checking out Re:gen.
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^ The pretentious elitist ones are MORE insecure, tbh. I've never seen that strip.Danger - Octopus! posted:Since I first started going to goth/industrial clubs, it has pissed me off that there are Accepted Playable Songs Outside These Genres, but any other artists, no matter how similar, are not allowed lest people complain. I hear Das Bunker in LA isn't much like the above though and are fairly friendly (and nerdy <3) and the crowd is focused on music. (True? I have a hard time believing it). Great interview, Twiin, especially the Johnny Cash anecdote and the "I try really hard to make sure I’m not just listening to industrial music." The majority of fans in every niche genre across all fandom are like this, I guess, but it's pretty prominent with some music fans that don't care about influences and the history of whatever they're listening to (because it's not cool! :p). Noricae fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 10, 2012 |
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The Cleaner posted:Skrillex. CAT rear end now!!! posted:they only play club stuff I'm not interested in (y'know, all that hellektro/EBM/whatever poo poo). Noricae fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 14, 2012 |
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Aufzug Taube! posted:Because there seems to be more focus on total aesthetic unity. I want to emphasize that. And take this Blutengel video. Also, man, Club Dracula requires a nice sports car too - I forgot about that. My twelve year old Corolla isn't going to cut it at all  It's not even black.Danger - Octopus! posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Industrial_Heritage_Trail Twiin posted:Shameless self-promo: I'm gonna be hitting the road with iVardensphere, WASTE, and ESA this summer, there's a FB page for interested parties.
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Late to this, but: FLA - Airmech is really good. I really like their early stuff (and only recently got into them, so worked my way back and then stopped around 97), and I didn't overdo it on the dubstep (just Planet Mu stuff), so I don't hear anything out of place in the album. (The Tangerine Dream vibes on the intro were jarring though). I'm totally OK with no lyrics. and this is a nice direction from FLA for me. Thanks thread!
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I go with: stick to industrial with no lyrics, and you usually avoid the dressup nazi posterboys. Usually. Unless you accidentally wander into power electronics :/
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Feb 24, 2013 20:49
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Twiin posted:Bands like ∆AIMON make me feel good about new industrial (or whatever industrial is turning into). Listening to their album reminds me of when I first started listening to Coil. Yeah, I'm so glad that there are alternatives coming out (and Flatliner was quite good!), but the imagery, attitudes and elitism (there really is, especially in clubs) are why it's embarrassing to admit that I listen to industrial as a genre sometimes. There was and still is a large portion of the fanbase that identifies themselves as goth/rivethead/etc as a fashion identity primarily - it's not about the music. I.e. there are large portions of EBM (or were in the late 90s-mid 00s) that sounded like standard euro-trance clubmixes, but fans identifying with the genre didn't really know much trance outside the genre to compare to (so it seemed so new to them). I was pretty confused a decade+ ago when the 'industrial' (or goth) term, especially electronically (vs industrial rock), didn't have all that much to do with the origins of the music (TG etc). I could have just been talking to the wrong fans or checking out the wrong clubs but I doubt it. It goes both ways though - a lot of Autechre's stuff going back decades very much qualifies as industrial (or at least experimental noise) but fans on that side didn't pay attention to anything labeled industrial. It's a weird rift that I was really happy to see bridged with Tympanik's emergence and some of the branching out that Hymen has done last decade, etc. I hope that made sense - I'm just happy that there are musicians out there exploring outside genre boundaries. </ramble> :P
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Wow, that Skinny Puppy track IS really good. I haven't listened to them in forever, and didn't really like a lot of recent releases (actually didn't like the, uh... pseudo IDM, haha). Thanks! edit: Listened on repeat a few too many times, and now I'm pretty excited. I haven't been excited about a release in years and years. Noricae fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 2, 2013 |
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SacrificialGoat posted:FLA was just touring with Haujobb, but they didn't come to the states  I'd much rather see this lineup.
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I really like the album too, but honestly I still find Ogre's singing ridiculous and a bit distracting. I've gotten way better at tuning out vocals from most music however, so I'm pretending that he's a vuvuzela in the background. That's going to be a fantastic show! Noricae fucked around with this message at 06:30 on May 30, 2013 |
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Oh, it's just me. I've always found the voice grating, and it's actually less grating in this album than much earlier albums and easy to treat it as another instrument, so really I like it quite a bit and it's very listenable. (I would give various Skinny Puppy albums a listen in the past, since the mid '90s actually, and never really got into them until HanDover, so I quite like the low to no vocals industrial/experimental fiddling/idm fusion.) Compared to their 80s-90s albums, you're right, it is very much more dynamic. The 'treat it like another instrument' is what I'm telling non-industrial listening friends, urging them to give it a try
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edit: ^ Ahahaha.Danger - Octopus! posted:Tom Shear from Assemblage 23 is funding a sideproject via Indiegogo This is good! Rofl at ID:UD's "an ohGr album made on a Sega Genesis." Yep, spot on. W424 posted:I just finished making a video for Cardinal Noire: Narkomat Uhoh, they're already calling FLA dubstep. I guess if Skrillex is breakcore, anything is possible. I could do without some of the wobbles, but that's a good track. Noricae fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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That first study is the '10 rat study' one that people have commented on, and I agree, it is not a good study. They gave rats Roundup in their water in many cases, there were many variables being tested in small groups of rats, some results were unexpected (more gmo corn doesn't mean more tumors - not that this means anything in 10 rats), the statistics are not that great (they are confident that two acids are low in GMO corn, and that their regression analysis is done properly, no actual "is this small group large enough to test my hypothesis" - which the second one does do, and they state flat out that their (same group btw) data are large enough to be sufficient), and lastly rats are a poor model for human disease (but that's a side note, as 'food' is difficult to test in any other way). http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/09/19/161424735/as-scientists-question-new-rat-study-gmo-debate-rages-on Is a better analysis of the first study, presenting both sides, imo. Also note that the two studies you linked -are- from the same lab. And every study I've read that linked disease to GMO crops did not address the actual genetically modified part of it (instead 'residual pesticides' or 'changed nutrient levels' were brought up). The name GMO brings to mind viral genetic inserts hopping from corn to humans. (Just me?) If the public at large had adequate education on this topic, and scientific topics in general, I would be all for labeling food however you want it, provided that the labels were accurate and weren't a blanket vague GMO label (not all GMOs are equivalent, obviously). Are the labels going to tell me what gene was modified, and what pesticides were applied to the crop? No? I'd much rather have a "what pesticides were used on this crop" label on food. I'm not in favor of GMO labels because it is an irrelevant bandaid on the real problems of the agricultural business and does NOT increase "consumer knowledge" adequately, especially taking education into account. I'm pretty cynical about scientific education when the Supreme Court doesn't understand basic dna/rna biology sufficiently to produce a ruling on genetic patent law without a giant loophole in it (for different forms of the same damned information). Anyway, way the hell off topic -.- Noricae fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Jun 30, 2013 19:26
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They'll go on at the same time for a battle of the bands in large steel cages. One band's members will be wearing helmets in the shape of guns and using voice distorters, while the other one will be wearing mecha suits that keep wobbling when they move. It will be an even match. edit: Ok, I would watch this. Noricae fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:However, I've just spent an awful chunk of money so I can catch two Project Pitchfork gigs in Germany in September, because gently caress everything 
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:edit: Sorry, appears I misread your post and thought you said you'd listened to material from the late 90s and early 00s. Oh well, my point still stands. I seriously listen to very very little EBM** (lots of rhythmic noise/idm* related) because a lot of it seems like mediocre eurohouse with some uniforms thrown in, but Project Pitchfork's newer stuff has really stood out. And I can't get anyone else to listen, and I don't understand how they're so little known in the US.  I link them to a youtube video and they won't even look past the strange men wearing colonial hats on a cloudy beach in Germany looking sad. Go figure *Which I never really know where to post about. But, in case anyone here listens to Detritus (great), some new tracks are out: http://www.adnoiseam.net/news/early-excerpts-from-detritus-s-next-album (last one is pretty good! the rest is good but sounds like the last album). **Unless by ebm someone accidentally ends up meaning Kraftwerk et al, which never happens. Noricae fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:I hate quibbling about genres because who cares, but Project Pitchfork really isn't EBM. I always liked their own description, it's just "dark electro".  It sure isn't Converter/Iszoloscope/Stendeck etc. And yes, it was such a relief to find songs about actual issues written pretty well (although, Spilles, you really can't make the word giggle rhyme with anything, *wince*). I will give those albums a try - I actually have not listened to either, and sort of stopped at Alpha & Omega on the way backwards in their discography. So, uh, you like Project Pitchfork, I assume?  I accidentally ended up listening to Faderhead too. Why does this exist?
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Yes, that was my reaction to Daimonion too. It was too VNV nation (and they were on the top recommended list when I did the EBM loop 8 years back or so, and didn't really love it. I didn't hate the VNV nation I listened to either, just didn't stick). Honestly, I would listen to all of Continuum Ride or at least Dividing Line. It's a well put together track. I would link it but this song's been pulled off of all online video services as far as I can find. edit: Basically, if a track/album has a drum loop that is too repetitive or simple and doesn't evolve over time much, I tend to get bored. So overly stompy things may be fun for a few listens but I probably will find something more intricate to listen to. I feel that Pitchfork has gotten (much) better composition-wise over time in this respect. I am going back through their old catalogue and will probably re-evaluate this in a few months
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teethgrinder posted:Some electro-industrial guys are quite engaging and good with their fans. Tom Shear specifically comes to mind on Facebook. I think it helps bring in new fans from outside the genres that the artist may be comfortable working in, and I take it as a positive sign when an artist/band both evolves and engages (not flames <- then you just have too much time on your hands) with fans. My musical tastes keep evolving, so why is it wrong for a band to shift direction over time? It gets a bit annoying once too many side projects get formed (whose material is much harder to track down). CAT rear end now!!! posted:It's interesting how this is completely hilarious whereas the AP dude's ranting is mostly uncomfortable  Think it, don't post it. Or channel that energy somewhere else.
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Omi-Polari posted:i.e. Daniel Myer. I don't know who Aesthetic Perfection or Daniel Graves is/are (or until the last few pages), so they must not be good. Proof: they disrespect Twiin.edit: Oh geez, is the Project Pitchfork concert what PP's #1 fan in this thread bought tickets for this fall in Germany the one with Architect opening? *jealous Noricae fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Aug 23, 2013 |
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Sloppy posted:I'm a bit obsessed with Project Pitchfork's Rain. I've had trouble getting into them before so this was kind of a gateway drug into the whole Black album. Their back catalog is huge, what other songs/albums should I dig into next? I think the first two are going to be most similar to Black. And yeah isn't that a bizarre video? I can't stop watching it :S
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Do any of you know if there's any way to buy Ah Cama-sotz albums other than on itunes (and CD from Hands)? Why is it so hard to throw money at some artists if you have moved to all digital.
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Hmmm, I'd love lossless (flac really) and bandcamp (or similar), but I can throw money at him for mp3s. I am a couple of recent albums behind. Thanks!
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It is; I'm really looking forward to his new album. (I think Myer's best stuff is as Architect, honestly, and considering how great it all is...)
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:Architect is warming up for Project Pitchfork in their fall tour so I'll finally get to see Meyer in the flesh at the end of this month. Never really listened to Architect, y'all have any suggestions on what I should checkout before the shows? I listen to Lower Lip Interface* a lot (I'm almost certain this isn't what most people listen to), but Consume Adapt Create** is probably a better place to start, since the former is noisier (in terms of static) and less consistent, while Consume Adapt Create is pretty solid overall, and has an all important Blade Runner sample in it. Which is essential. In any musician's discography.*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkORKpIEQ_4 - the album feels darker/noisier but not as experimental as earlier ones **https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXSKFIhjYls - Consume Adapt Create has Front 242 vibes (then again Catch the Target is on Lower Lip Interface) edit: Also, he's the best person: "DM: The music in the [EBM] scene becomes more and more simple. It's loving stupid. You just need a kick drum with a bit of distortion and some horror samples and people would go nuts...people with the "neon" hair... They just need a loving kick drum and they are happy and I loving hate it! I like melodies and tricky rhythms and good sequences but they don't care." from: http://www.ebm.gr/index.php/music/interviews/2736-interview-with-daniel-myer-haujobb-architect-destroid-covenant which actually answered my question about this tour. Pitchfork's drummer's been playing with Haujobb for a while.  Noricae fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:mashed up with a sample of The Power by Snap  Is this recorded anywhere?
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Aww, yeah quality is crap, but that is awesome! All two people recognized the mashup, haha. Ah, Snap! released a greatest hits right after that so I guess it was timely and not such a random mashup.
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:Achim Färber has been in just about every band ever, though. He's easily the most prolific drummer in the scene, just look at his discography that, of course, doesn't even include all the bands he's played for live. Cool guy and a real loving good drummer. Your reasoning makes much more sense. The tour still sounds like a wet dream.Twiin posted:I'm playing with Faderhead tomorrow. Apparently they were 'concerned' when they found out I was opening for them here in Toronto! I wonder if I'm going to get the silent treatment backstage because of the Kinetik gig last year.  I know you can't tell us because Faderhead has secret police spies in the thread.edit: *Like dressing up as Che. Noricae fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Sep 8, 2013 |
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Halloween Jack posted:How have you not heard "Dirtygrrrls/Dirtybois" eleventy thousand times like the rest of us? I want to know your secret. A much more impressive feat is not knowing what FUN or Katy Perry sounds like. *buries head in sand*Just realized that the last time I listened to Feindflug was 1999. edit: Eagerly awaiting Faderhead trip report. Noricae fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 9, 2013 |
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Methanar posted:So what seperates this genre from other similar ones like Hardstyle or dnb?  And usually (sometimes? often? depending on subgenre) 4/4 militaristic beats that are pronounced/not in the background.teethgrinder posted:I apologise, I have a tendency to use electro-industrial/futurepop/synthpop synonymously. But seriously, I'm happy over categorizing and discussing genres (if it helps tie new music genres into historical patterns usually), but electro-industrial has a history of fans that are "if it looks the part, I'll listen to it, even if it is basically trance or house or dnb in black."
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Sep 28, 2013 00:30
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Yeah, this article is pretty spot on for me too: http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/finding-happiness-in-angry-music/279341/ (Finding Happiness in Angry Music)
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Wow, that's really cool. Is this a one time move or testing out a more permanent move? Also can I say (again) how awesome it is that you're part of Antigen Shift, Twiin, (but where the hell is the promised 2012 album!?). And congrats The Cleaner! This Morn' Omina is playing?  looking.glass.eyes posted:'Resistance is Futile' is fantastic, new VNV is...acceptable, and new Gary Numan is blowing me away. Is anyone else digging 'Splinter' like I am? 2013, why are you such an amazing year for music? Noricae fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Oct 20, 2013 |
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Twiin posted:The new album is on my ipod waiting for final edits and mastering, and then hopefully release. You can hear one of the tracks on this comp, which somehow includes three other bands from Ottawa that will be playing Kinetik.
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Probably should start with Ministry - Psalm 69. Just their early stuff really, as well as early KMFDM and Skinny Puppy. There's a lot of harsh blastbeat industrial noise with machinery noises in it (like Converter) that I'm sure isn't what you meant but might be interesting.
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I'm not that surprised, actually. Complex (also by one of the Das Bunker owners) recently opened in Glendale and they did a lot of joint events together, and it's a nicer venue and felt like a replacement + step up from Das Bunker. So, sad, but there's a pretty great replacement for regulars. One with competitive geek quiz nights (and beer bar).
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That Haxan Cloak album is close to my #1 of the year (waffling on it with a few others, mostly Comaduster's debut - which is really great). Moderat II, Oneohtrix Point Never, Autechre, Hecq are on there too, in addition to albums mentioned a lot more in this thread (PP/Gary Numan/FLA, etc). I liked gently caress Buttons' first two albums a lot more
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This is a great Trent Reznor parody: https://soundcloud.com/fredscott-1/this-is-a-trent-reznor-song (thanks het for linking me). Also ran into it on Daniel Myer's facebook page, and further down his page he apparently pissed off a lot of Nachtmahr fans by calling out Nachtmahr's nazi imagery in a magazine interview (apparently Daniel Myer is an irrelevant scenester whose opinion doesn't matter... and he's just jealous because he doesn't look good in uniform). "Nazi Imagery is a style if you don't like it turn the page. I admit Nazi's are bad; although; they look awesome while doing what they do" is the most conciliatory Nachtmahr fans get. (Link to original magazine article: http://is.gd/rrpIwY) Very amusing
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