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The first track of the new Turmion Katilot Album "Perstechnique" It's loving awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KryCUtfM__U "Grand Ball"
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I'm currently reviewing Relapse the upcoming album by Ministry. So far, it's pretty interesting, although Al Jourgensen comes off as insane in some of his diatribes; Ghouldiggers, for instance, the first song, is about how he (apparently) got hosed by his managers. He even mentions how Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison and Amy Winehouse are "the lucky ones"... as if managers made them overdose or, in Cobain's case, bite the end of a shotgun. In terms of music, it's a pretty powerful Industrial record, similar to what they did in their earlier works (harder than, e.g. Psalm 69), with good melodies (although, obviously, repetitive, as it's supposed to be in Industrial metal). Anybody else has listened to this album?
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Mar 18, 2012 13:14
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Wait, I thought The Last Sucker was supposed to be their last sendoff? Yea, I know bands say that all the time, but I thought it was a great way to end it. Did they bring the drum machine back for this new one? I honestly couldn't care less about Ministry's metal period, but I'm pretty excited if this is more like The Last Sucker. Is Al going to support this with a tour? Yes, they're going to tour Europe now (I'll see them here in NL in July) and afterwards they'll probably tour the US. I'm trying to get an interview with him, but since he's known to be erratic I don't know how likely this is.
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Mar 18, 2012 14:06
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Heavier industrial: Since Turmion Katilot was already mentioned, I'll go with Blacklodge. They are defined as "Industrial Black Metal" and, honestly, it's not bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T3Tg2pvuPA
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Jun 10, 2012 01:27
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Twiin posted:(Just as a heads up, I'm Ad·ver·sary.) Although you have the right to do what you did, there are a couple of things you should keep in mind: a. Unless I'm mistaken, you were opening up for those bands; it seems out of place to do a presentation against them. The fact that you wouldn't have received the same level of exposure if it wasn't because you were opening for them (or if you hadn't given some media a heads-up) makes it all seem like a publicity stunt. b. Your presentation seemed hyperbolic and, at times, a bit ridiculous. Just like you have the right to express your message, so do these bands have the right to express their "art", music or however you want to call it, in the best way they see fit. You make a claim that this is a "normalization" of violence against women in the industrial music scene, but fail to provide any evidence that shows a direct link between these portrayals and actual negative effects on the female crowd. If you truly think that a video like that, or lyrics as revolting as those, are anything besides tasteless, that it's somehow going to convince people that it's OK to treat women as inferior, then you are no different from those who blamed Rammstein and Marilyn Manson for Columbine. Regarding the Confederate Flag t-shirt, it seems absolutely ridiculous to call them racists (or apologists) just because of that. The overly dramatic list of "entities that have used the confederate flag", ending with the KKK is silly and unfair (and by the time we get to the MLK quote, laughable). The Confederate flag is also used, for better or for worse, as a "Southerner" symbol, such as it happened with the Dukes of Hazzard and Lynyrd Skynyrd. To pretend that its use is, per se, an apology for racism is an unfair statement. Silly? Perhaps. Racist? Not necessarily, and there's nothing to assume that Combichrist's use of the flag had a racist meaning. Finally, the quotation from the founder of Industry Records is pointless. His ideas are irrelevant regarding what is done with this musical style; he may like or hate some acts, but that doesn't mean that he gets to decide what is "true" industrial and what isn't. Once your music and your style are out there, they belong to everyone, and everyone can make their own interpretations, versions and variations of it (copyright issues aside). Full disclosure: I'm not even into Combichrist, nor am I'm too familiar with the other band you targeted. EDIT: I'm sure that having the guy in the video killed, as opposed to have him escape and live happily ever after, is a good thing. Redrum and Coke fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jun 10, 2012 |
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Jun 10, 2012 18:31
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Twiin posted:.... This would be a good argument if I was blaming Combichrist for women getting beaten up. But I'm not, so it's not. If you want evidence of the negative effects of the video on the female crowd, I can forward you any number of a hundred emails I've received from women in industrial music who talk about how lovely that video made them feel to watch. 1. So you made this because you got a bunch of e-mails about women who felt bad over that video? That's the huge negative effect on the female population and female rights? 2. Yes, you did. In only a few seconds you put them at the same level as the KKK and the segregationist. If you can't see this, then you're either naive or just lying. Same thing with the quote from MLK, arguing to break from prejudice. I think you need to watch your own video again.
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Jun 10, 2012 23:23
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Twiin posted:1: After I made this, hundreds of women thanked me for making the video, and dozens of women told me that the Combichrist video was either in part or in whole responsible for them leaving the industrial scene. quote:2: If by 'putting them at the same level' you mean 'pointing out who else is using that flag that Combichrist was so proudly displaying', then sure. That was in fact the entire point of that segment -- saying "this imagery is used by lovely people for lovely purposes, and we shouldn't be accepting of it being used in our community." You're, really, acting like the idiots who blame video games for violence. quote:If you think it's a stunt or bullshit or whatever, that's fine. If what this means is that hundreds of people feel like someone's finally talking about something that has been upsetting them for years, and a few dudes think I'm a jerk, that's a trade I'll take all day long. While your anecdotal evidence of "some girls got in touch with me" might be good; the majority of female fans clearly didn't give a gently caress, and still go to Combichrist shows. I find misogyny revolting, but you chose the wrong target.
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Jun 11, 2012 01:24
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There's a new interview with Andy from Combichrist. 1. They're about to start working on a new album 2. There are a couple of projects in the works. 3. A lot about the adversary thingie at kinetik. quote:...people should know what they’re talking about before they make a statement. The rebel flag was the State flag of Georgia until 2001, it’s not just a civil war thing. It was a State flag until 11 years ago, it’s very recent.
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Aug 1, 2012 23:46
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:This is ridiculous. At Kinetik he was all like "Oooh yeah about that, I've been trying to tone it down a bit recently and it's just a character, you know In his defense, he didn't say that at Kinetik: http://www.idieyoudie.com/2012/05/kinetik-update-2012-ad%C2%B7ver%C2%B7sarys-performance/ He said that people take the character too seriously and that he has grown bored of it. At no point did he say that Adversary was right: quote:I have nothing to say in my defense for what I’ve done, I don’t feel like I should have to defend myself. While I don't see his use of the flag as wrong, I do think his comments on Georgia were... odd.
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Aug 2, 2012 13:37
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" and now it's like he's gone full-on l'esprit de l'escalier mode and looked around on Google to see if there's something he can use to defend himself.
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Twiin posted:Well, he said it to me backstage. But I guess that doesn't play as well in interviews. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's the same thing with Faderheard and Nachtmahr... "Oh, by the way, he totally is a nazi because he told me stuff 3 years ago, but I'm only saying it now!" het posted:I think the word you're looking for is "stupid". Though I also don't see how you can say "I don't see his use of the flag as wrong" so I guess I don't get where you're coming from. I think it's odd that he chose Georgia, of all things, instead of saying the easiest defense of all, namely that it has been used in many occasions not as a symbol of racism, not only in the state of Georgia, but also in things like the Dukes of Hazzard, the logo of Lynyrd Skynnyrd, Dimebag Darrel's Guitar and Jon Schaeffer's bandana, to name but a few. As to why I don't see it as wrong is because, within the context, it's the least important thing. I mean, do you really look at that picture and think that the t-shirt is the most important thing? Did you miss the blood and the chainsaws? Some people just want to feel offended.
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Aug 2, 2012 17:04
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Every symbol, from the Cross (the Crusades), to the Crescent Moon (9/11, the Taliban) and the hammer and sickle (USSR, Germany, North Korea and Cuba, to name a few) has the potential to insult somebody. I'm sorry for your family, but if we start arguing about every symbol that is associated with negative things we'll end up with nothing. EDIT: Just in case, I'm not from the US, I own no Confederate or Nazi clothes nor do I plan to get any.
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Aug 2, 2012 17:33
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Twiin posted:We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I suspect. Comparing the cross and crescent -- symbols so old that no one agrees when they were first used -- to the flag of the Confederate States of America is myopic to the point of absurdity. Since you don't want to refer to religion, the case of the hammer and sickle is much easier. About 100 million people were killed as a direct result of communism and many more were enslaved by it; yet nobody raises the alarm when we see Rage Against the Machine using Che Guevara images or when bands use DDR uniforms. I don't want to continue derailing the thread and, I agree, we'll have to agree with the fact that we will disagree on this.
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Zaiquiri posted:Yeah but the Communist and Socialist parties are the most popular parties and organizations in the world, and for the most part the hammer and sickle represent a form of empowerment and liberation for people who are downtrodden or oppressed. While Europeans may have thought fascism was a good thing, they knew what fascism was, and accepted it despite that. Fascism (according to Mussolini's "What Is Fascism?") specifically rejected workers' power, democracy, and was very nationalistic as well as expansionist. This isn't just how the 'theory' of fascism played out when actually put into practice, this is specifically what it was meant to be from the beginning. I have no ideological qualms with not being offended by a hammer and sickle, simply because it stands for a general liberation for the masses (whether attainable or not); while images like the Confederate flag and the Swastika, while possibly holding special meaning for the (white) people who wave it, still represent racism, slavery, and genocide. I didn't want to continue with this topic, but since I have to post something else I might as well go for it: 1. No, they represent class struggle and, as 100 million dead prove, they represent a genocidal ideology. You can't judge things by their theory, but by their practice. Nazism and Fascism also looked for the "liberation of the masses" and, just like marxism, had very specific "masses" it wanted to liberate and other specific "masses" it wanted to enslave. 2. Fascism and Nazism were, in the eyes of their proponents, "good things". You're making a moral judgement as to how "they must have known it was bad", even though that's obviously not the case. These people really thought that Nazism and Fascism were going to be good for them. They were, clearly, wrong, but history is not made up of Disney villains who do evil for the sake of evil. 3. While I agree that the swastika is, clearly, an ideological symbol, I don't think that the Confederate flag falls in the same group. Chances are most people who use it have no ideological connection with racism or slavery. Aufzug Taube! posted:This is why I like industrial music, by the way. You can't have discussions like this about indie rock. A new interview with Nachtmahr was posted. He dodged the Faderhead question... http://www.metalblast.net/2012/08/nachtmahr-interview/
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