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UnfurledSails
Sep 1, 2011

I'm an H1B holder. Last September I got a letter from the IRS saying that there was an error in my 2018 filing and I owed them about 2.5k. I will be quitting my job and leaving the US by the end of this year. If there is a similar error in my 2019/2020/2021 filing how is IRS going to let me know? I did not get any emails just a physical letter...

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Fun Times!
Dec 26, 2010
We got married in May and both make about $60k each, changed both our W-4s to "Married filing jointly" in May. We have one dependent who we claim the child tax credit on. I had one W-2 and she had 3. Up until May we filed as single. I did our taxes today, claimed standard deduction, and at the end of it we owe $1,300. Should have paid $13k in taxes but we paid $9,000 (owing $1300 is after the child tax is used up and my second stimulus payment is used up, because I never got it after changing banks and moving homes).

It seems to come from her end, as my W-2 shows ~$5,500 in taxes paid, and her third W-2, which is her current job she accepted in April, is for ~$47k in wages with $1,900 taxes paid. We are hoping that since now our W-4s are starting this year as married filing jointly, we won't run into this again next time. What happened to make us owe this time, though? I thought we were doing everything correctly.

SlapActionJackson
Jul 27, 2006

UnfurledSails posted:

I'm an H1B holder. Last September I got a letter from the IRS saying that there was an error in my 2018 filing and I owed them about 2.5k. I will be quitting my job and leaving the US by the end of this year. If there is a similar error in my 2019/2020/2021 filing how is IRS going to let me know? I did not get any emails just a physical letter...

There's a form for that: https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-8822

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Thanks everyone, i called someone else who sounded very knowledgeable on the phone and got quoted 400, much better

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

Fun Times! posted:

We got married in May and both make about $60k each, changed both our W-4s to "Married filing jointly" in May. We have one dependent who we claim the child tax credit on. I had one W-2 and she had 3. Up until May we filed as single. I did our taxes today, claimed standard deduction, and at the end of it we owe $1,300. Should have paid $13k in taxes but we paid $9,000 (owing $1300 is after the child tax is used up and my second stimulus payment is used up, because I never got it after changing banks and moving homes).

It seems to come from her end, as my W-2 shows ~$5,500 in taxes paid, and her third W-2, which is her current job she accepted in April, is for ~$47k in wages with $1,900 taxes paid. We are hoping that since now our W-4s are starting this year as married filing jointly, we won't run into this again next time. What happened to make us owe this time, though? I thought we were doing everything correctly.

When you've got multiple W-2s there's always a good chance you'll get hosed because each payroll department is just blindly following the charts which assume you're getting a standard deduction. Which you are, just not 3. So the end goal the tables tell them to shoot for is lower than your actual income will be.

If you're stable this year you likely will be closer to where you should be.

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

UnfurledSails posted:

I'm an H1B holder. Last September I got a letter from the IRS saying that there was an error in my 2018 filing and I owed them about 2.5k. I will be quitting my job and leaving the US by the end of this year. If there is a similar error in my 2019/2020/2021 filing how is IRS going to let me know? I did not get any emails just a physical letter...
The IRS only communicates these issues by physical mail for security purposes, so you wouldn't be getting any emails. Was this a CP2000 notice or something else?

UnfurledSails
Sep 1, 2011

Peyote Panda posted:

The IRS only communicates these issues by physical mail for security purposes, so you wouldn't be getting any emails. Was this a CP2000 notice or something else?

It was a CP2000.

I just wish there was any other way I could have found out, like checking a website or something. It would be more secure to get emails since I'm pretty much constantly on the move now, and probably for the next few years. I switched everything I can think of to paperless systems so I was hoping I can do the same with IRS, especially since I will keep my US bank and brokerage accounts and keep paying capital gains taxes even after I leave.

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

UnfurledSails posted:

It was a CP2000.

I just wish there was any other way I could have found out, like checking a website or something. It would be more secure to get emails since I'm pretty much constantly on the move now, and probably for the next few years. I switched everything I can think of to paperless systems so I was hoping I can do the same with IRS, especially since I will keep my US bank and brokerage accounts and keep paying capital gains taxes even after I leave.
So CP2000s are generally triggered by some discrepancy in the income documentation filed by the generating organizations (your employers, financial institutions where you had interest income, your state if you received unemployment, etc.) and what was reported your return. Unfortunately, since some of those forms aren't required to be reported for up to 13 months after the end of the year they apply to, the IRS doesn't have all of the info until then and thus you end up getting things like this where you're just now receiving notice about an issue with your 2018 return.

So if you're concerned that the same issue with your 2018 return might come up in future years, the first step would be to see what documentation caused the issues on the 2018 return and get your 2019 return forms as well as getting a 2019 Wage & Income transcript from the IRS. The latter should now show all of the income documents that would have been reported under your social security number, so you can compare everything to see if a similar issue could arise and file an amended 2019 return if needed. If you're able to set up an account on IRS.GOV under the "Get Your Tax Record" option, a W&I transcript should be one of the ones available.

As far as the address issue goes, there really isn't a paperless option for the IRS. They are working on making more of the notices they send out available through the transcript system, but you'd still have to check it manually. There are two options you can do if you're expecting to move a lot.

First is filing regular change-of-addresses with the USPS and form 8822 with the IRS; IRS mail usually gets forwarded if there's a mail-forwarding set up with USPS and sometimes that system will even update your address with the IRS, though the communication is inconsistent on that, while the 8822 form (which can be downloaded at IRS.GOV as well) can be mailed in to directly update your address with the IRS. You can call in to do it as well but expect long hold times.

Second is to change the mailing address to something consistent such as a family member's home or something else where the address stays the same and you can trust the people there to let you know if something comes in. The IRS doesn't particularly care if it's your actual current residence or anything for address of record purposes, they just want an address where you can reliably receive any letters or notices.

Magic City Monday
Dec 5, 2016
Regarding the Child Tax Credit, assuming Biden's relief packages passes as proposed, would that mean it makes sense to wait till after it does to file (assuming it happens before April 15th)?

I usually get the full refundable amount credited and having it increase to $3,000 would be nice.

MrMidnight
Aug 3, 2006

Filed for my 2020 taxes a couple of weeks ago and decided to check my transcripts. Noticed I had two code 290 "Additional tax assessed" but with $0.00 for the amount. Different dates on each.

Any idea what this could mean?

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

Magic City Monday posted:

Regarding the Child Tax Credit, assuming Biden's relief packages passes as proposed, would that mean it makes sense to wait till after it does to file (assuming it happens before April 15th)?

I usually get the full refundable amount credited and having it increase to $3,000 would be nice.

I highly doubt any of the tax code changes will be retroactive to 2020.

MrMidnight posted:

Filed for my 2020 taxes a couple of weeks ago and decided to check my transcripts. Noticed I had two code 290 "Additional tax assessed" but with $0.00 for the amount. Different dates on each.

Any idea what this could mean?

Who knows. You may get a letter eventually. Also the IRS hasn't actually accepted your return yet so I don't know what you expected. E-filing officially opens tomorrow. Some test returns were submitted yesterday and today. Turbotax etc lied to you when they said they submitted it, it's just been hanging in their cloud till the MEF is open.

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

MrMidnight posted:

Filed for my 2020 taxes a couple of weeks ago and decided to check my transcripts. Noticed I had two code 290 "Additional tax assessed" but with $0.00 for the amount. Different dates on each.

Any idea what this could mean?
Were there amounts listed for your EIP (stimulus) payments and no TC 150? If so, the two 290s for .00 were the transaction codes input to release your stimulus payments.

(The code 150 would be your tax balance on your tax return. It's probably not there yet since the IRS doesn't even begin processing filed returns until tomorrow except for a few random test cases, and the 290 would normally reflect a subsequent adjustment, but in the specific case described above it would be those stimulus refund releases. We just put them on the 2020 tax year because they were effectively advances on the Recovery Rebate Credit.)

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Epi Lepi posted:

Sounds high to me or my office really needs to raise our rates. If she's working out of her home and not a real office run away at that price.

In general it depends on how much of the work you're making me do. I don't know OR so I have no idea what bullshit that entails but I know PA and outside of the Local Income Tax returns they're not too bad. PA may not be in her wheelhouse and she may personally hate split year returns and set a high floor for those returns. If I gotta learn something just for you I'm making you pay for my time. If you're giving me a sheet of paper with your Rental income and expenses on it then I will charge less than if you hand me a plastic bag full of bills and receipts that I have to sort through.

The other aspect is if you're calling an established CPA in February they may be already mostly booked up and you're paying a premium for their status as a CPA and the privilege of booking an appointment.

Speaking as somebody who does plenty of PA returns, can't agree with that "not too bad" given they have their own little way of doing every drat thing especially with what they consider income, though the local PA returns combine that with being run by a bunch of collection agencies instead of government bureaus, with the inevitable headaches THAT brings. I will admit $700 was kind of on the high end though, the second price is a lot more like what I'd expect. Although maybe the first preparer had a high price because they're just grumpy, God knows getting up before the crack of dawn a lot to shovel snow (and keep straining my hurt back, gah) so I can do another long day is starting to make me tired. Admittedly I'm kind of swamped since the office is down a few preparers thanks to Covid and other health issues. Hope the rest of you preparers are staying healthier and saner!

Epi Lepi posted:

I highly doubt any of the tax code changes will be retroactive to 2020.

It'd be nice to NOT have retroactive crap, think most of the last few tax bills including CARES have had "corrections" to previous screwups in prior bills, some of them retroactive too. Can we please write them right the first time, government folks?

EDIT: Anybody get hit with weird "you can't post too soon" messages in the forum/this topic? Got bounced first time I posted this, I hadn't even posted anything else today anywhere on SA. Tired AND gaslit about my posting now, I swear...

MadDogMike fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Feb 12, 2021

MrMidnight
Aug 3, 2006

Peyote Panda posted:

Were there amounts listed for your EIP (stimulus) payments and no TC 150? If so, the two 290s for .00 were the transaction codes input to release your stimulus payments.

(The code 150 would be your tax balance on your tax return. It's probably not there yet since the IRS doesn't even begin processing filed returns until tomorrow except for a few random test cases, and the 290 would normally reflect a subsequent adjustment, but in the specific case described above it would be those stimulus refund releases. We just put them on the 2020 tax year because they were effectively advances on the Recovery Rebate Credit.)

I don't have anything else like what you're describing. Just the two 290 codes with zeros for amount.

Thanks for the info!

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

MrMidnight posted:

Filed for my 2020 taxes a couple of weeks ago and decided to check my transcripts. Noticed I had two code 290 "Additional tax assessed" but with $0.00 for the amount. Different dates on each.

Any idea what this could mean?

Who knows? I know! Those are the stimulus payments.

Peyote Panda
Mar 10, 2019

MrMidnight posted:

I don't have anything else like what you're describing. Just the two 290 codes with zeros for amount.
Just as a final verification, is one of the dates back around April or May of 2020 and the second date around December 2020 or January 2021 (or otherwise around the dates you received your stimulus payments)? That would also be consistent with the stimulus payments.

black.lion
Apr 1, 2004




For if he like a madman lived,
At least he like a wise one died.

MadDogMike posted:

Can we please write them right the first time, government folks?

lol, just.... lmao

MrMidnight
Aug 3, 2006

Peyote Panda posted:

Just as a final verification, is one of the dates back around April or May of 2020 and the second date around December 2020 or January 2021 (or otherwise around the dates you received your stimulus payments)? That would also be consistent with the stimulus payments.

Yep, April 27, 2020 & Jan. 18, 2021. Thanks again!

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

black.lion posted:

lol, just.... lmao

I can dream! Especially when the menthol fumes from all the muscle rubs I've put on my back are melting my brain!

Boot and Rally
Apr 21, 2006

8===D
Nap Ghost
Anyone else having problems logging into Free Fillable Forms? I guess I forgot to add my SSN to my W2 but now when try to log in to fix it the 'Sign In' button changes to 'Signing In' for a fraction of a second then back to 'Sign In' and nothing happens. Same thing if I try to go through the 'forgot my password' route.

Xenoborg
Mar 10, 2007

Working fine for me, trying clearing cookies. Now if only they would add Form 8995 so I could submit.

Boot and Rally
Apr 21, 2006

8===D
Nap Ghost

Xenoborg posted:

Working fine for me, trying clearing cookies. Now if only they would add Form 8995 so I could submit.

Just tried a private browser without luck :(

Maybe I'll just fill it all out again.

E: Tried safari and it worked. How loving dumb.

Boot and Rally fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 15, 2021

cheese eats mouse
Jul 6, 2007

A real Portlander now
If I did a cashless exchange of ISOs during a secondary offer last year it should show on my W-2 correct? Or should I be looking for a 1099 of some sort? Asking because I got a 3921 in the mail but not a 3922. TurboTax is showing I owe the feds a small sum which seems correct.

cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 16, 2021

Academician Nomad
Jan 29, 2016
Stupid H&R Block, I entered my both wife's and my W2 in under my name at first, realized my mistake, corrected it, moved on. Turns out that didn't actually make it realize they were two people, so it gave me a massive "Excess Social Security" credit making me think I was getting a huge return. Ran the numbers through Credit Karma, got that I owed thousands instead. Deleted and re-entered the W2s correctly in H&R Block and now the two services match. Uggghhhhh

black.lion
Apr 1, 2004




For if he like a madman lived,
At least he like a wise one died.


Married Filing Poly

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

black.lion posted:

Married Filing Poly

This is the future liberals want

FateFree
Nov 14, 2003

So I started doing a backdoor Roth in 2018, 2019, 2021. Apparently I've done this wrong every year on Turbotax because my cost basis is always 0. Do I have to amend each year's return, or can I adjust the cost basis this year with an explanation of why its different from last year?

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


IIRC, your basis would be 0 unless you're an idiot like me and you wait until after the end of the calendar year to do it, at which point it becomes an annoying clusterfuck.

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

FateFree posted:

So I started doing a backdoor Roth in 2018, 2019, 2021. Apparently I've done this wrong every year on Turbotax because my cost basis is always 0. Do I have to amend each year's return, or can I adjust the cost basis this year with an explanation of why its different from last year?

Pretty sure as long as you’ve been reporting the backdoor Roth correctly on Form 8606, you can change the Roth basis to the correct number. I assume TurboTax is storing the basis information for if you take an early distribution from the Roth so it knows how much is taxable. Take with a grain of salt, I don’t use TurboTax myself obviously but in general there’s no filing your Roth basis directly with the IRS, they get that reported by the account manager on 5498.

logis
Dec 30, 2004
Slippery Tilde
Trying to figure out what tax software to use, if anyone has any advice. Have the following in 2019:
-Income (W2)
-Mutual fund Investment income (did not sell stocks)
-Form 3921 (exercise of an incentive stock option)
-Paid house mortgage

Mainly, just trying to figure out what I need from either Turbo Tax (Deluxe or Premier), H&R (Deluxe or Premier), or otherwise, that works with Form 3921. In the past few years, I used H&R Block Deluxe, but I am not sure this year what is sufficient. Thoughts?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Not sure you'd need anything, those are all pretty straightforward.

edit: on second thought disregard that, I have a screwed up perspective on individual tax issues. Someone else will be able to provide better guidance.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Feb 21, 2021

Epi Lepi
Oct 29, 2009

You can hear the voice
Telling you to Love
It's the voice of MK Ultra
And you're doing what it wants

logis posted:

Trying to figure out what tax software to use, if anyone has any advice. Have the following in 2019:
-Income (W2)
-Mutual fund Investment income (did not sell stocks)
-Form 3921 (exercise of an incentive stock option)
-Paid house mortgage

Mainly, just trying to figure out what I need from either Turbo Tax (Deluxe or Premier), H&R (Deluxe or Premier), or otherwise, that works with Form 3921. In the past few years, I used H&R Block Deluxe, but I am not sure this year what is sufficient. Thoughts?

Form 3921 is the most unusual part but its an informational form only so who cares unless you sold the stock this year. Keep it, remember that its what will tell you your correct basis, though a lot of the financial companies are pretty good about that nowadays so you may not even need it.

Rest of the stuff is easy peasy you probably won't gently caress it up.

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

logis posted:

Trying to figure out what tax software to use, if anyone has any advice. Have the following in 2019:
-Income (W2)
-Mutual fund Investment income (did not sell stocks)
-Form 3921 (exercise of an incentive stock option)
-Paid house mortgage

Mainly, just trying to figure out what I need from either Turbo Tax (Deluxe or Premier), H&R (Deluxe or Premier), or otherwise, that works with Form 3921. In the past few years, I used H&R Block Deluxe, but I am not sure this year what is sufficient. Thoughts?

Pretty sure when I checked for someone else recently the Deluxe for H&R did include all those items (W-2, dividends/interest, possible itemized deductions) so I think your usual choice will work, not sure if TurboTax is similar naming but if you use that one just check it covers the items I listed. As mentioned, the 3921 is important when the stock is sold.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Hey all, finally getting around to doing my taxes.

In 2019 I had about $1000 short-term capital loss from stock gambling. I had no long-term capital losses or gains because I didn't sell any LT holdings.

My understanding was that I could carry over my 2019 losses and compensate short term losses against short term gains, however if I'm reading the instructions right then if I had no long term capital gains in 2019 it is impossible for me to carry over short term losses because the way the instructions work, you end up canceling out the losses against themselves.

I don't know if that makes any sense.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

Hey all, finally getting around to doing my taxes.

In 2019 I had about $1000 short-term capital loss from stock gambling. I had no long-term capital losses or gains because I didn't sell any LT holdings.

My understanding was that I could carry over my 2019 losses and compensate short term losses against short term gains, however if I'm reading the instructions right then if I had no long term capital gains in 2019 it is impossible for me to carry over short term losses because the way the instructions work, you end up canceling out the losses against themselves.

I don't know if that makes any sense.

Are you sure you didn't deduct it all in 2019?

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/capital-gains-and-losses-10-helpful-facts-to-know-0

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

This is probably it, I don't know why I didn't consider the possibility of my 2019 losses being applied against my 2019 income :doh:

Thanks!

dpkg chopra fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Feb 21, 2021

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004

How did we end up that the first real line on the 1040 after personal info is this:

quote:

At any time during 2020, did you receive, sell, send, exchange, or otherwise acquire any financial interest in any virtual currency?

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
Another dumb tax instructions questions:

Schedule 3, line 12e, says "Deferral for certain Schedule H or SE filers (see instructions)".

The instructions say "If you qualify, the amount you may defer is figured in the following worksheet."

Line 11 of the the worksheet says: "11. Enter the amount you reported on Schedule 3, line 12e".

:psyduck:

Any ideas on how to figure this out?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

smackfu posted:

How did we end up that the first real line on the 1040 after personal info is this:

The IRS heard about this whole 'bitcoin' thing and wants a piece of it.

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MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

sullat posted:

The IRS heard about this whole 'bitcoin' thing and wants a piece of it.

In theory even barter transactions are supposed to pay income tax, so using a virtual currency doesn’t get you out of it either. Yet people weren’t reporting virtual currency stuff for taxes (almost like there’s a bunch of libertarians who don’t want to pay taxes that use the stuff a lot...) so the IRS started getting more pushy about chasing it down, including a required question so nobody can claim ignorance.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

Another dumb tax instructions questions:

Schedule 3, line 12e, says "Deferral for certain Schedule H or SE filers (see instructions)".

The instructions say "If you qualify, the amount you may defer is figured in the following worksheet."

Line 11 of the the worksheet says: "11. Enter the amount you reported on Schedule 3, line 12e".

:psyduck:

Any ideas on how to figure this out?

That’s if you want to avoid paying your Social Security/Medicare taxes until next year, you can put that amount there. Mind you, it’s kind of a dumb idea so I can’t recommend it unless you really can’t afford that stuff now but will this time next year along with that year’s taxes.

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