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NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
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smackfu posted:

Those Metro North trains are pretty darn new too. Maybe a year old?

First ones in December 2010. 2.5 years old at most.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_%28railcar%29


Followup story: http://gothamist.com/2013/05/18/70_injured_from_staggering_metro-no.php

Sounds like a track issue. Even the NEC isn't immune.

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Bolognious Assault
Jun 5, 2008
Grimey Drawer

Brother Jonathan posted:

"Federal regulations prohibit operation of the train by other than a federally licensed locomotive engineer. Trains do not make periodic stops to allow the engineer to use the cab's toilet, so it is widely ignored—but not publicly acknowledged—that the engineer turns train operation over to the conductor when periodically using the toilet. With cameras, which never blink, recording every activity in the cab, the question becomes whether an engineer will halt his train periodically to use the toilet—slowing average train speeds and increasing fuel burn—or allow himself to be documented by camera of a willful violation of federal regulations that can result in suspension, dismissal, and loss of a federal license to operate a locomotive."

I wonder how they will solve this problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YK5_y1LzHk

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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Buster Keaton in The General:

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
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NightGyr posted:

First ones in December 2010. 2.5 years old at most.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_%28railcar%29


Followup story: http://gothamist.com/2013/05/18/70_injured_from_staggering_metro-no.php

Sounds like a track issue. Even the NEC isn't immune.

So basically just a case of..


that went horribly wrong?

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
Whoops:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8693203/Wellington-trains-stopped-after-derailment





Jonnty
Aug 2, 2007

The enemy has become a flaming star!


I like how it looks as if they're all waiting around for the train to leave again. "Oh, something's just burst up from the floor - oh well, I'm sure they'll have us sorted and on our way in no time."

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
http://www.wimp.com/locomotiveparade/
duodecaheading steam engines

wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005

Yo dawg we heard you like steam engines so we put a steam engine on your steam engine on your steam engine on your.....

But seriously that was awesome.

NightGyr
Mar 7, 2005
I � Unicode

Holy poo poo...

How does anyone have eardrums after that?

Brother Jonathan
Jun 23, 2008

They didn't seem to be blowing their whistles so much as shrieking in pain.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
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That has to be rough on the track as well.

ExplodingSims
Aug 17, 2010

RAGDOLL
FLIPPIN IN A MOVIE
HOT DAMN
THINK I MADE A POOPIE


NightGyr posted:

Holy poo poo...

How does anyone have eardrums after that?

I certainly don't after listening to that on headphones. :gonk:

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
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FIRE!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76e_1369234118

Slung Blade
Jul 11, 2002

IN STEEL WE TRUST


gently caress, did they do that on purpose to demolish it? The camera guy seemed awfully pleased.

Or was it just your run of the mill "bearing making GBS threads out liquid metal" problem that just happened to occur over a gigantic wooden trestle?

Seriously how did that even still exist? I thought most major RRs got rid of their wooden trestles decades ago.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Well, here's a section of abandoned track that has some trestles on it still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7buTCULLeY

ExplodingSims
Aug 17, 2010

RAGDOLL
FLIPPIN IN A MOVIE
HOT DAMN
THINK I MADE A POOPIE


kastein posted:

Well, here's a section of abandoned track that has some trestles on it still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7buTCULLeY

Those are really cool and I want one now.

Also saw THIS in the related video section. Any of you railroad guys can explain what's going on here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCU2GhG8zE

ExplodingSims fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 24, 2013

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

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Yeah now I can't stop watching videos of those and I want to build one. Dammit.

Here is a horrific train wreck on what appears to be CSX track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQi3YNaVms

:haw:

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

kastein posted:

Yeah now I can't stop watching videos of those and I want to build one. Dammit.

Here is a horrific train wreck on what appears to be CSX track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmQi3YNaVms

:haw:

CSX doesn't even operate in Maine or whatever frozen northern tundra you live in.


B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
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ExplodingSims posted:

Also saw THIS in the related video section. Any of you railroad guys can explain what's going on here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCU2GhG8zE
Go to the second comment. I know usually we avoid the comments. But in this case it is true.

quote:

Cannibal American corporations squeezing the last profits out of a crumbling infrastructure, thank the two party waring government of freedom loving Hero's.

And trust me, if that train went on the ground on that lovely track this would happen:

Download the operator's tape to check to see if he was going even a fraction of an MPH too fast.

Pull any crew members out of service pending an investigation.

Drug test everyone involved.

Confiscate all paperwork found on the train.

If no speed infraction found on tape, blame engineer for too much power, too much brakes, or making control changes too quickly.

If nothing remotely bad on tape, blame the conductor for failure to dot "i" or cross "T" anywhere on his paperwork.

Blame both crew members for not discussing the condition of the track and making good enough notes of it in the "job briefing" log.

Blame crew members for never turning in the track for bad conditions after destroying all of their report history.

Hold a kangaroo court version of a seated investigation where evidence is presented and the crew found guilty before the first statements and regardless of contravening evidence presented.

Why would anyone put themselves through that? We are just trying to earn a living man, besides, we have job insurance. Plus a couple years down the road, a federal mediator will finally review all the evidence and reverse the case findings.

That is WHEN it finally does go to a mediator. The railroads have been engaged lobbying for years to slow and delay the process. They do this by working to successfully and periodically "defund" the pay of mediators to limit the number of cases they get to hear and appeal each year. :rolleyes:

B4Ctom1 fucked around with this message at 13:23 on May 24, 2013

Ron Pauls Friend
Jul 3, 2004

Slung Blade posted:

gently caress, did they do that on purpose to demolish it? The camera guy seemed awfully pleased.

Or was it just your run of the mill "bearing making GBS threads out liquid metal" problem that just happened to occur over a gigantic wooden trestle?

Seriously how did that even still exist? I thought most major RRs got rid of their wooden trestles decades ago.

If this is where I think it was, it was a trestle on private land that hasn't seen a train in 50 years. The old line used fro go from SA to Kerrville and had at least 40 trestles on it if not more. We used to own land up there that had 2 of them, well the remnants of them.

Edit: Nope. Active rail line in Lampasas County, TX

Ron Pauls Friend fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 25, 2013

Rabid Anti-Dentite!
Oct 15, 2009

ExplodingSims posted:

Those are really cool and I want one now.

Also saw THIS in the related video section. Any of you railroad guys can explain what's going on here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUCU2GhG8zE

A bit of everything, cross level, warp, dips, alignment, possibly compressed rail causing sun kinks. FRA would define that as excepted track, which is no trains over 10mph, no passenger trains, no more than five hazardous cars per train, not located near adjacent tracks, etc. Basically the only thing that is a requirement for conditions on that track is that gauge does not exceed more than 4 feet 10.25 inches vs 4 feet 9.5 inches on class five. Supposedly, the new owners, Pioneer Railcars have plans to repair it and extend it. Good luck with that, since most of it built on swamp lands.

B4Ctom1
Oct 5, 2003

OVERWORKED COCK
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someone showed me this link to a wreck PDF
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=58357597555824486675

is tiny upload ok on SA?

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

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Veins McGee posted:

CSX doesn't even operate in Maine or whatever frozen northern tundra you live in.

I do not live in Maine, fortunately. I'm in Massachusetts... a slightly less northern frozen tundra.

We have CSX - in fact I'm reasonably certain they own the tracks from Worcester to Boston that the MBTA commuter rail runs on, and are known for not bothering to maintain their track in the area, thus why I was poking fun at them. I know they own and operate the freight yard in Worcester and from what I can find, one in Boston as well.

e: B4CTom1, that's a pretty recent incident... like 6 days ago? I didn't know anyone published reports that fast. Haven't looked at it all yet, what's the yellow stuff that got spilled, corn? And it looks like an axle bearing seized and a wheel started dragging instead of rolling?

kastein fucked around with this message at 04:27 on May 25, 2013

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
The "CSX track" is in California, there are Eucalyptus trees in the photos in the link in the video description. I suppose it could actually be Australia, but I don't think so. :)

In the PDF, there are some photos that say "mark every 9'6"." What is the circumference of a train wheel? Maybe the wheel was rotating but was damaged.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

kastein posted:

I do not live in Maine, fortunately. I'm in Massachusetts... a slightly less northern frozen tundra.

We have CSX - in fact I'm reasonably certain they own the tracks from Worcester to Boston that the MBTA commuter rail runs on, and are known for not bothering to maintain their track in the area, thus why I was poking fun at them. I know they own and operate the freight yard in Worcester and from what I can find, one in Boston as well.

e: B4CTom1, that's a pretty recent incident... like 6 days ago? I didn't know anyone published reports that fast. Haven't looked at it all yet, what's the yellow stuff that got spilled, corn? And it looks like an axle bearing seized and a wheel started dragging instead of rolling?

CSX operates in Mass., just not any further north really. CSX is investing a lot of money on the east coast up to NYC in anticipation of the Panama Canal widening and is building a new terminal(or rebuilding an older one) in Massachusetts somewhere.

BN and/or UP guys: How do you number/letter your trains? I've had it explained to me before but I don't remember because it was my 2nd day on the job.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

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That's probably the Franklin Street terminal in Worcester that you're talking about them rebuilding. They've been working on it for several years now AFAIK, I know they've finished digging out the side of a hill and building a new retaining wall there. Good to know they're actually putting money into stuff, my sources were probably misinformed on that.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

kastein posted:

That's probably the Franklin Street terminal in Worcester that you're talking about them rebuilding. They've been working on it for several years now AFAIK, I know they've finished digging out the side of a hill and building a new retaining wall there. Good to know they're actually putting money into stuff, my sources were probably misinformed on that.

http://www.railworcester.com/

This it?

I know that CSX is investing pretty heavily into intermodal and upgrading/expanding infrastructure(ex. double stack clearance up the east coast and across to Chicago) to support intermodal operations as coal volumes/revenue continue to decrease.

http://www.nationalgateway.org/background

vains fucked around with this message at 05:41 on May 25, 2013

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

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That's it. I used to ride the commuter rail from there to Boston at least twice a week a few years ago when they were really in full swing construction wise.

InterceptorV8
Mar 9, 2004

Loaded up and trucking.We gonna do what they say cant be done.


Those are rails on those cars right?

Rabid Anti-Dentite!
Oct 15, 2009

InterceptorV8 posted:



Those are rails on those cars right?
Yes Sir they are, heres how it looks from my angle unloading them.

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Rabid Anti-Dentite!
Oct 15, 2009
Another view, I believe they run about a 1/4 to 1/2 mile long. Sorry, preview showed the pictures the right way.

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wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005
Do you ever get a headache from being upside down for a full day of work?

Because you said "from my angle" in the first pic my brain was immediately like "wow it must suck to be strapped to the wall of a locomotive all day long, I wonder why they do that." :downs:

wilfredmerriweathr fucked around with this message at 16:04 on May 25, 2013

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Rabid Anti-Dentite! posted:

Another view, I believe they run about a 1/4 to 1/2 mile long. Sorry, preview showed the pictures the right way.



Where in Australia do you work?

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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The passenger light rail in Chicago (CTA) recently upgraded some track with concrete ties instead of wooden ones. Are concrete ties ever used in heavier passenger/freight lines? Are they common?

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

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Lovie Unsmith posted:

The passenger light rail in Chicago (CTA) recently upgraded some track with concrete ties instead of wooden ones. Are concrete ties ever used in heavier passenger/freight lines? Are they common?

The Canada Line here in Vancouver is a MRT with concrete ties:



Not sure if I have ever seen heavy rail, but I have seen medium rail do it.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot
Concrete ties are used every where.... We have them on our freight lines, and to be honest they completely suck.

They work fine if the territory doesn't experience lots of frost, rain, and other related weather events. Basically they are awesome in the desert, but in the midwest and north? They just crumble. The UP is constantly replacing ties, and just can never get ahead.

The wood to concrete tie replacement has stopped.

InterceptorV8
Mar 9, 2004

Loaded up and trucking.We gonna do what they say cant be done.

Rabid Anti-Dentite! posted:

Yes Sir they are, heres how it looks from my angle unloading them.



Rabid Anti-Dentite! posted:

Another view, I believe they run about a 1/4 to 1/2 mile long. Sorry, preview showed the pictures the right way.



I think we are going to have you pee in a cup.

9axle
Sep 6, 2009

kastein posted:

That's probably the Franklin Street terminal in Worcester that you're talking about them rebuilding. They've been working on it for several years now AFAIK, I know they've finished digging out the side of a hill and building a new retaining wall there. Good to know they're actually putting money into stuff, my sources were probably misinformed on that.

It's all done. The spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million on the project, and the Great Wall of Worcester is a sight to behold. I lost money in the pool when it didn't collapse into a spectacular landslide,(I was betting the hurricane this fall would do it in.)

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

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BrokenKnucklez posted:

Concrete ties are used every where.... We have them on our freight lines, and to be honest they completely suck.

They work fine if the territory doesn't experience lots of frost, rain, and other related weather events. Basically they are awesome in the desert, but in the midwest and north? They just crumble. The UP is constantly replacing ties, and just can never get ahead.

The wood to concrete tie replacement has stopped.
That's curious. Here in Finland they replaced the wood ties with concrete on the mainline years ago and they seem to work fine. At least haven't noticed any regular trackwork going on.

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kastein
Aug 31, 2011

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9axle posted:

It's all done. The spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million on the project, and the Great Wall of Worcester is a sight to behold. I lost money in the pool when it didn't collapse into a spectacular landslide,(I was betting the hurricane this fall would do it in.)

It sure is. I like how it's bolted into... um... something? deep in the hillside.

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