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Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?


Our league puts on a few coached practice sessions every month. Seeing as I'm about to start winter season I decided to hit one up. I was out of breath in the warm-up. 3-4 weeks off suuuucks.

We started with skating drills and then mostly small area games working on board battles in tight spaces. It made me realize how little I attempt to get my hands dirty and grind it out in the boards during most games. Holy poo poo was it fun though.

Also I completely forgot about my companies yearly "wellness compensation" of $300 towards anything that keeps you active like a gym membership or sports league. That pays for half of my season for one of my three teams.

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Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

sellouts posted:

Playing center is cool and good. At low to mid beer league level itís almost as simple as ďhave the puck, if your team doesnít have it then go get itĒ

Thereís a lot more to it of course but a center who keeps their feet moving is a huge advantage at lower levels.

I've been playing center this season and it's trash because I have to skate a lot.

I think I prefer it to wing though because you get to stay in motion more often which makes it easier to make plays imo. And it feels more similar to playing defense that way which is what I've played my whole life anyways so it feels like less of a transition. Winning draws is cool and good as well. Had a p sweet backhand draw win last night on the right dot in the o-zone that led to a shot/rebound goal.

I never really learned faceoffs growing up though since I only rarely played forward growing up and so I feel kinda limited on draws. I can backhand sweep it to the right, or smash it to the boards Crosby style. I kinda suck at sticklifts off the draw. I can never get the timing right on it.

Thufir
May 19, 2004

"The fucking Mayans were right."

I play center occasionally and I like it ok but holy poo poo am I bad at faceoffs.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

Thufir posted:

I play center occasionally and I like it ok but holy poo poo am I bad at faceoffs.

They're kinda tricky because what is working well against one person might not work at all against someone else.

If you're really struggling with them I think the Crosby forehand smash to the boards is a good option. Basically just smash it as hard as you can to the your forehand side once it's dropped. Pretty simple execution.

Doesn't work well if your forehand isn't facing the boards though. For that I usually try to go backhand.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

wakey wakey to
this bowl of tasty


Yams Fan

Team we played on Sunday had some lightning fast lady who played some college, all of our centers after the game were dumbfounded how she won every single faceoff she took. It helped that she cheated liked crazy, but most of it she was just so bloody fast most of us low level beer leaguers were still registering the puck had left the referee's hands by the time she slapped it away.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007




I hate it when both refs have completely different faceoff-dropping styles. My last game, one ref would just toss it down like normal, but the other ref would stand 4 feet away from the dot and gently loft the puck. Most of the time it didn't even hit the dot.

Then sometimes we'll get the 1-2 guys that like to Gronk-spike the loving puck and it bounces like 3 feet in the air.

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at Sep 19, 2018 around 16:14

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

wakey wakey to
this bowl of tasty


Yams Fan

When your game has a overweight grey haired ref and a can't grow a beard yet zit faced ref you know the puck drops are gonna be all over the place.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003



Go into the faceoff dot with a plan. Know what you want to do given your lineup, their lineup, and the defensive or offensive situation. Then just think about executing at the right time.

If I go into the dot thinking about too much or changing my mind, itís a loss.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

sellouts posted:

Go into the faceoff dot with a plan. Know what you want to do given your lineup, their lineup, and the defensive or offensive situation. Then just think about executing at the right time.

If I go into the dot thinking about too much or changing my mind, itís a loss.

Yeah I think having a plan and just going for it is best. If you try to switch it up based on how they're positioned or whatever you're gonna get in your own head and screw it up.

For me the toughest people aren't the ones with quickhands necessarily but those loving grizzled old guys that have strength like iron. The best faceoff beer leaguers I've ever seen have always been like 40 year old guys that just get tons of strength and leverage with their stick. Most younger players are rear end on faceoffs in my experience.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?


I never "learned" how to take face offs either but I'm pretty good at them now after playing center for the past few years.

Holy gently caress do you destroy sticks as a center though. Nobody tells you about that part. And if you're a neat freak about your tape you will be using a lot of tape. It never fails. I'll re-tape my stick and it never fails on the very first face off someone will step on my blade leaving a giant flap reminiscent of a grizzly bear attack.

doctor 7
Oct 10, 2003

In the grim darkness of the future there is only Oakley.



Thufir posted:

I play center occasionally and I like it ok but holy poo poo am I bad at faceoffs.

As a winger I sometimes have to take faceoffs when on the PK.

Honestly I have found the most success in trying to guess where the opposing centre is going to send the puck to and not even bothering with trying to win the faceoff itself. Just racing to the defenseman and putting instant pressure on him to make a bad pass works maybe half the time. Opposed to my faceoff abilities which work 0% of the time.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003



Ginette Reno posted:

Yeah I think having a plan and just going for it is best. If you try to switch it up based on how they're positioned or whatever you're gonna get in your own head and screw it up.

For me the toughest people aren't the ones with quickhands necessarily but those loving grizzled old guys that have strength like iron. The best faceoff beer leaguers I've ever seen have always been like 40 year old guys that just get tons of strength and leverage with their stick. Most younger players are rear end on faceoffs in my experience.

Yeah adding strength in my upper body/shoulders helped me a ton.

Also some dudes are gimmicky, one guy would just lift my stick and get the puck. I let him get it once, then sat back and watched him whiff 3 draws after. Look for how youíre losing and see what the counter is.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003



doctor 7 posted:

As a winger I sometimes have to take faceoffs when on the PK.

Honestly I have found the most success in trying to guess where the opposing centre is going to send the puck to and not even bothering with trying to win the faceoff itself. Just racing to the defenseman and putting instant pressure on him to make a bad pass works maybe half the time. Opposed to my faceoff abilities which work 0% of the time.

Thatís not really your job as center. Your winger is supposed to bust rear end to the point. Your guy (center) is now wide open. Although I guess on PK it makes sense if you donít overcommit.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

sellouts posted:

Yeah adding strength in my upper body/shoulders helped me a ton.

Also some dudes are gimmicky, one guy would just lift my stick and get the puck. I let him get it once, then sat back and watched him whiff 3 draws after. Look for how youíre losing and see what the counter is.

It's kind of amusing to realize that like 90% of my problems as a hockey player these days are related to fitness. I'm overweight, and I haven't worked out in a while.

I should probably start again. I felt better on the ice last year when I was working out a few times a week. The extra strength really does help. I don't think I'd even lost that much weight at the time, but the strength and endurance from doing it was noticeable.

When I was in my 20's I just ate whatever and never cared to work out and it was fine because my body would be good. But now that I'm in my 30's, it's caught up to me a bit since I'm overweight now instead of having that permanent skinny guy metabolism.

doctor 7
Oct 10, 2003

In the grim darkness of the future there is only Oakley.



sellouts posted:

That’s not really your job as center. Your winger is supposed to bust rear end to the point. Your guy (center) is now wide open. Although I guess on PK it makes sense if you don’t overcommit.

Can't argue with this. Although it does work sometimes, usually if you see one d-man drop low you know it's going there. If it's far side go for it but you gotta be ready to bust your rear end there (and back if you gently caress it up).

z0331
Oct 2, 2003

Holtby thy name


doctor 7 posted:

As a winger I sometimes have to take faceoffs when on the PK.

Honestly I have found the most success in trying to guess where the opposing centre is going to send the puck to and not even bothering with trying to win the faceoff itself. Just racing to the defenseman and putting instant pressure on him to make a bad pass works maybe half the time. Opposed to my faceoff abilities which work 0% of the time.

A few times I've wondered if, in my main, pretty low level league, it's not better to let the other guy win it back super cleanly because the chances of it going to the D-man and not flying past them deeper into their zone, where you can get to it faster since you're facing forward, are surprisingly low.

Bootcha
Nov 13, 2012

Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending


Grimey Drawer

Thinking too much at the faceoff dot does throw you off, yeah. But not watching the puck drop from the ref's hands is always going to hurt your timing. We have a ref down here that likes putting the puck on the back of the helmet of guys that are intensely staring at the dot. Those guys are usually the ones whacking at your stick as opposed to pulling the puck.

Personally, I just win it back to the boards for the D. The bounce gives the D man a chance to read and catch it rather than a straight back win they weren't ready for. If it's on my offhand side or center ice, I just flip the stick around and scoop it with the forehand side of the blade. Only time I'll try to win it towards center ice is on a PP in the offensive zone, and that's when either I know I got a strong shooter waiting for it, and/or if the wing is dumb and lining up on the boards.

bigbillystyle
Nov 11, 2003

Steering wheels? Where we're going we don't need steering wheels.

z0331 posted:

A few times I've wondered if, in my main, pretty low level league, it's not better to let the other guy win it back super cleanly because the chances of it going to the D-man and not flying past them deeper into their zone, where you can get to it faster since you're facing forward, are surprisingly low.

Sometimes if I were having a tough time getting clean wins against somebody and we kept just getting in a tangle on the dot until the wingers figure it out I would employ this strategy with mild success. It takes the other center off their game because they are expecting a battle at the dot but instead you're gone and hopefully after a loose puck. This would typically only work if the D is a little old and slow to react or a little crappy and slow to react so yeah doing it in a low level league would probably work a couple times before they catch on. Otherwise all you are doing is giving up possession right away which is never the right play.

Also gently caress refs that Gronk Spike. I always hated that.

Teeter
Jul 21, 2005

Hey guys! I'm having a good time, what about you?

My faceoff strategy:

Jump in as early as possible because nobody has ever been kicked out of a beer league faceoff.

Thufir
May 19, 2004

"The fucking Mayans were right."

Teeter posted:

My faceoff strategy:

Jump in as early as possible because nobody has ever been kicked out of a beer league faceoff.

This is definitely helpful as a winger too.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?


We have a few refs who really gently caress up the puck drop. I would always prefer the spike versus the guy who somehow lets a puck drop slower than gravity allows. Not sure how he does it but they are the softest loving drops I've ever seen and its like getting a changeup or an underhand pitch. I swear each center takes three swings at it before it actually hits the ice. So loving weird.

From USA hockey

"At the end of the arm extension, some force should be used during the release instead of letting gravity take over. Use just enough momentum to get the puck to the ice quickly. Otherwise, a ďlazyĒ release may result in the puck hitting a playerís stick on the way down, resulting in a false or unfair face-off"

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YeehawMcKickass
Jan 2, 2003

WE WELCOME THE OPPRESSORS

xzzy posted:

Team we played on Sunday had some lightning fast lady who played some college, all of our centers after the game were dumbfounded how she won every single faceoff she took. It helped that she cheated liked crazy, but most of it she was just so bloody fast most of us low level beer leaguers were still registering the puck had left the referee's hands by the time she slapped it away.

Weird, there's no clearly female name on the scoresheet for that game. Actually, score and goals save %'s say that was a pretty well played game.
I'm actually kinda glad I didn't end up tending for Stick in the Box though. Our game against Bugeyed Weasels ended up being a long, drawn out tie, I would have been gassed to all hell and back.

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