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InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Any of you guys into that new-school Project Blowed stuff? They've got some heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tkcDqCvg0I

Alpha MC "Still Bangin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_e5UNgmbg0&feature=related

Open Mike Eagle "Pissy Transmissions"

Also, unrelated, but MED has an album coming out soon and if the songs are anything like this one, it should be heat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TVYbG5GSZk

MED ft. Blu/Exile, "Your Life"

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InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Ethereal released a free album called Abstractica which I am really digging right now: http://supernatural.bandcamp.com/album/b-s-t-r-c-t-i-c

I guess the best description of it is psychedelic rap, for those who like weird, strange beats that sound pretty strange with decent rapping over it. Some of the beats on here are pretty loving wicked, I'm really liking this so far.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Classic Wu-Tang Clan song Cream mash-up with some beat by a punk rock group called Fugazi I've never heard of, and surprisingly, sounds really, really good.

http://soundcloud.com/wugazi/sleep-rules-everything-around

I always find these weird mash-ups interesting if nothing else, maybe this one will turn out to be really good in terms of quality as well.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
I don't know if people are familiar with the rapper Billy Woods, but he has a CD coming out soon called History Will Absolve Me and this dude has seriously been ripping poo poo pretty quietly for a minute now. Here is the website:

http://backwoodzstudioz.com/billy-woods-new-album

Here is the tracklist:
1. A Mis Enemigos [High tide] (produced by Marmaduke)
2 Crocodile Tears (produced by Willie Green)
3 The Man Who Would Be King (produced by Marmaduke)
4 Ca$h 4 Gold (produced by Marmaduke)
5 Body Of Work ft. Masai Bey & Roc Marciano (produced by Willie Green)
6 The Foreigner (produced by A.M. Breakups)
7 Bill Cosby (produced by Willie Green)
8 Freedman’s Bureau ft. Elucid (produced by Marmaduke)
9 Blue Dream ft. L’Wren (produced by Man Mantis)
10 DMCA (produced by Willie Green)
11 Pompeii (produced by Willie Green)
12 Duck Hunt (produced by A.M. Breakups)
13 Nigerian Email (produced by Marmaduke)
14 Pump Up the Volume ft. L’Wren (produced by Nasa)
15 Famous Last Words ft. junclassic & MarQ Spekt (produced by Willie Green)
16 Sour Grapes ft. Elucid (produced by A.M. Breakups)
17 Human Resources (produced by Willie Green & Dig Dug)
18 The Wake (produced by Willie Green)

And here is an awesome first single, Track 5, Body of Work:

http://www.divshare.com/download/17096806-b9f

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

temple posted:

That blogger is contrarian and you can get away with that in hiphop because its so poorly documented. You couldn't call the Beatles overrated with seriously backing that up because there is information from the time they came out until now in which the Beatles are universally praised. Hiphop isn't so well covered so you have to take people's word. It really irks me because its too easy to sound critical by contributing to backlash against really popular figures like Dilla. At worst, Dilla was an inexperienced producer back in the mid 90's. But that's all you can say when his fingerprints is on stuff people liked from that time.

I know this is from a page back and I rarely post in the hip-hop thread even though I probably should, but to say that the blogger is simply being contrarian with no precedent is simply not true. I can't speak as definitively about the general feeling at times of their release of Tribe's fourth or De La's Prince Paul-less albums being from the west coast and all, but LabCabinCalifornia is decidedly weaker production-wise from Bizarre Ride, and it can't be hand-waved away as being the Pharcyde themselves falling off. (I actually think some of those dudes rhymes are better on LabCab as opposed to their more enrgetic, youthful, but still a bit Souls of Mischief-lite, while their rhyming on LabCab sounds more assured) That's not to say that Dilla ruined the group or anything, he gave them some great songs, but it was a definite step down from what came before.

I think Dilla's later work is better than his early work anyway, though, so that may color my opinion of this whole issue.

Anyway, to talk about new albums I've been listening to, the new Odissee joint is quite solid, Billy Woods' History Will Absolve Me is amazing/criminally slept on, Curren$y's new album is kind of blown by some weak guest spots, Killer Mike is good, but I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed by it, and Big K.R.I.T.'s new album was a nice surprise. (Was pretty lukewarm on his last one).

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
I think people who are hailing the poo poo out of this new Kendrick album are just excited (I fit into this group) that a mainstream hip-hop album has been released that actually seems to rely on lyricism and song concepts over beats and aesthetics. (Also, ironic distance.) I quite like some of that stuff, but the genre has certainly felt top-heavy with one type of music for a decent stretch, while narrative driven hip-hop has mostly felt confined to the deep underground (with exceptions, of course) which is unpalatable for many people. Why can't we get the apples AND the oranges, is what I'm saying.

On the topic of GKMC more specifically, as somebody who has grown in Los Angeles and seen LA flounder for what feels like eternity to find a new movement to get excited for, this album manages the feat of being an effective call-back to the musical history of the city (Compton poo poo, yo) and also sounding incredibly fresh/ different from what came before. The changing voices poo poo is frankly annoying, and some of the tracks on this album are pretty skippable, but I challenge anyone to name a non-Illmatic album that doesn't have some skippables. I think it's pretty good, maybe great.

That Lil Ugly Mane poo poo is pretty ill, too.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

thathonkey posted:

I'm especially pissed that if I want to hear FlyLo rap production, I p much have to endure some rear end in a top hat from OF trying to rap over it.

Captain Murphy's twitter straight up says, "I think some people are going to be mad as hell when they realize I'm not from OF," followed by some dude blatantly making GBS threads on them. I really hope it's not OF, I don't think I can rectify their general corniness with my interest in this project.

People should really be checking harder for that new Roc Marciano album, by the way. The production is mostly great and far more lush than the minimalist stuff he was rocking over on Marcberg. I think his flow is pretty much unfuckwitable too, and he manages to make some fairly tired subject matter sound fresh based purely off a fantastic lyrical agility.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

Robert Analog posted:

I'm failing to see how you don't think LVL isn't the hottest poo poo ever.

It's pretty disappointing, quite honestly, but I thought the new Big Boi poo poo was similarly weak so whatevs. People have their own vibe.

The upcoming Metro Zu poo poo (Zuology 2/Intimacy 3) sounds way better beat-wise than this joint, and really, I doubt people were listening to ASAP for any reason other than beats anyway. More Clams Casino next time.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Not sure if this is old or not, but it's Main Attrakionz rapping over a Friendzone beat with a Chrono Cross sample. Needless to say, it's ill. Bossalinis and Fooliyones needed more Friendzone on it.

https://soundcloud.com/friendzone/main-attrakionz-rap-paradise

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
I also really enjoyed Curren$y's Priest Andretti mixtape. Almost as good as his Pilot Talk stuff, I'd say.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Who the gently caress are these people purchasing Nikki Minaj albums? C'mon son.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

alansmithee posted:

Also I think if you take the best stuff from Gunplay's mixtapes this year and put in on one, it might've been better than all of that. Same with Metro Zu and their dudes.

This. Also, Billy Woods History Will Absolve Me had the best rapping on it that like two people including myself and that one dude who does those youtube music reviews actually heard. Roc Marciano's new album is great pretty much all the way through as well.

As for that Future Pluto joint, I've tried a bunch of times to get into it, but it seems so basic. People keep hyping it up that I feel like I'm missing something but that poo poo just sounds so average.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
If mediocre rapping like Future's is acceptable, I don't know what the problem with Flying Lotus rapping is, quite honestly.

snyprmag posted:

While his songwriting is his forte, Future absolutely can rap and doesn't exclusively use auto-tune (or at least its really subtle at times).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOBL9cj-G74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGng8a2Ovs

Yeah, done trying. These are struggle bars. I guess that means I'm old according to some highly cool dude on the internet, but I'll take it.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

K-Flow posted:

Suprised no one's mentioned Roc Marciano's Reloaded. Easily my favorite release of the year

I mentioned it! Some of the loosies on that album are great too, I wish he would release some of that without the loving kid on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5eN63eREA

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Not to cut off the Brazzers discussion, but the Underachievers mixtape, which has had several awesome tracks out for awhile, is being released February 1st.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEqZct7rUUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=205K9Pim2oE

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

farmtrill posted:

i cant listen to joey badass without feeling embarrassed for him/myself. he tries to be a 90s rapper so hard it hurts

I don't know if embarrassed is the word, and I can't front, I think some of Joey Bada$$'s stuff is okay, but listening to his mixtapes seemed like pandering to people like, well, me. If I wanted to listen to somebody rhyme over Styles of Beyond/Cyne/MF Doom beats, I'd just listen to the original songs. Joey Bada$$ felt a little like well-done karaoke in that respect.

The comment earlier about the "lyrical miracle" rhyme schemes make me wonder if people have actually heard what that sounds like, because Joey's diss was fairly simplistic by those standards.

quote:

Drake said he ain't cry when 2Pac died
I bet a dub he ain't say that poo poo if 'Pac was alive

People need to chill with the Pac martyrdom, it's one of the worst things about hip-hop. I'm sure you liked Hail Mary a lot when you were, what, five or some poo poo, but relax, it's been a pretty long time now.

Also, who gives a gently caress what Drake thinks, he was probably listening to the 4 Non Blondes or something around then.

InnercityGriot fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 30, 2013

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

AlanSmithee posted:

And on non-retarded poo poo, Underachievers mixtape supposedly drops on Friday. They haven't got much buzz really yet (although without at tape it's a bit hard) but this song is really nice, and they got a few other good ones so it should be good. Kinda remind me of a smoother Flatbush Zombies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_122Tx8xmg

I'm actually looking forward to this mixtape more than I've looked forward to a mixtape in a LONG TIME. Of all the New York stuff percolating right now, these dudes are hitting in all facets, I think. Joey Bada$$ is trying too hard, ASAP Rocky is cool, but a little simple lyrically, and ASAP Mob is kinda basura. These guys have a solid flow with a small amount of that Third Eye poo poo that reminds me of Hieroglyphics in their prime, and the beats are pretty good from what I've heard.

The fact that nobody knows who these guys are and yet Flatbush Zombies have some decent hype despite being an incredibly poor man's ODB is shameful.

temple posted:

What is wrong with Tupac martyrdom? He was/is a legend, no?

Sure, he's fine, but I grew up in Los Angeles and lived there during the height of his stardom and at the time of his death, and the only people being embarrassing and hyperbolic about his impact seemed to be people in the media/rappers trying to establish their bona fides. In context, he was a slightly above average rapper with some classic singles, and literally not a single classic album. I just get tired of people clutching their chests with sadness, especially people I have a hard time believing REALLY gave much of a poo poo. These kids rapping now were in elementary school when dude came out, at least Drake, while being a douche, is being honest.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

temple posted:

Only since his death, post All Eyes on Me did people start talking about how Pac wasn't the best rapper. The only exception was maybe Biggie fans. Its like saying Jay-Z Blueprint era sucked.

I'm not denying that he was popular, but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You've just separated people into camps based on the premise that the only two options for best ever (a useless distinction anyway) are Pac and Biggie, and seem incredulous that people believe otherwise. It's a narrative I never cared for.


RBX posted:

nobody gave a gently caress about EC/WC expect for losers and media

Pretty much this, and when the media talked about it, they misunderstood the situation completely anyway. It was hardly a West Coast/East Coast thing, it was more of a Biggie/Puff managed to get on pretty much every other rapper's nerves regardless of coast from that era. New York dudes like Wu-Tang almost fought him multiple times, aside from method Man, pretty much that whole crew disliked him. The Nas skit on Raekwon's first album is directed at Biggie. The Boot Camp Clik had videos dissing him, and were going to record a collaboration album with Pac before he died. It was just a convenient, simple slogan for people to be like, "WEST VS. EAST SON".

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Underachievers mixtape dropping here in like, a minute.

http://www.datpiff.com/The-Underachievers-Indigioism-mixtape.449545.html

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
First of all, the Grammys have a history of not knowing what the gently caress when it comes to hip-hop anyway, (Puff Daddy and the Family over Wu-Tang Forever is loving embarrassing), so catching feelings about Drake winning one is absurd.

Also this:

temple posted:

If Drake isn't the best of his generation, who's better? I mean rappers that get played on the radio.

Is a big who gives a poo poo. If there isn't a more useless quantifier/ almost completely obsolete method of gauging what is and isn't worthwhile in music today than the radio, I don't know what is.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

New Dilla vocal album coming out

I would be more excited if this was Dilla beats, but eh, at least it's not Frank N Dank making GBS threads up the joint.

METRO ZU RELATED: http://metrozu.bandcamp.com/album/killrinstank

This is pretty decent for a free offering, but I wasn't really feeling the Intimacy 3 tape they're charging 8(!) bucks for. The quality of their poo poo is so bipolar, I sometimes feel like half the fun is sifting through their tapes for the gems.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
In this thread, people with completely unassailable opinions about Gucci Mane and Riff Raff of all people are attempting to edify people on what good rapping is. People have different opinions, chill. At least smithee posts good music occasionally.

Anyway, what are people's opinions on Jeremiah jae? I've checked some of his stuff from brainfeeder, and he's got some bangers.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

alan smithee posted:

But getting away from all that nonsense, I can't remember if someone here linked it or not (and if you did, good on you) but I've been listening to the gorgeous children album a bunch recently. Get a strong Metro Zu vibe from the production, maybe a bit darker. Dudes are better lyrically than anyone from Metro Zu fwiw

Gorgeous Children are pretty good, and this new track they released (http://gorgeouschildren.bandcamp.com/track/slummer) is not only excellent but it indicates that they've got a new EP coming soon.

ST2 Lettaz from G-Side has an EP out too, I haven't listened to it yet, but here it is: http://www.audiomack.com/album/nahright/preludeto-the-g

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
If you're interested in some jazzy hip-hop with a solid lyricist behind it, and don't mind trying out a real obscure dude, check out S.Habib's free album here: http://www.gpnyc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=178&Itemid=467

Cuz of my Cool is kind of a jam.

Also, new Metro Zu, featuring some good poo poo and some horrible crap, sky remains blue. http://metrozu.bandcamp.com/album/tokyo-pimpin

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
C'mon, Krit is a pale imitation of Pimp C, this is basic stuff people.

Anyway, new Ethelwulf, over some pretty great beats.
http://www.datpiff.com/Ethel-Wulf-Damare-Shizukani-mixtape.461363.html

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

Get Money posted:

Does technical proficiency really mean anything in 2013? It meant something in the 90's when hip-hop was trying to solidify it's legitimacy and we had an album driven culture, but these days I'm glad most artists are realizing brevity is the soul of wit. Obviously there's plenty of room in the game for everybody, but the best rappers now are those who can say some reasonably clever poo poo over hot production. Ain't nobody got time for bombin' atomically with Socrates' philosophies anymore.

Eh, brevity is great, a lack of substance or a unique aesthetic is not.

It's funny, I work with high-school age kids in the city, and it's weird you use that example because kids are REALLY into the Wu, whereas a lot of the other 90's era stuff gets forgotten. I like Jay-Z, but kids are not listening to his catalog anymore. Something is clearly going on where they are making a judgement as to why one relic is acceptable over the other, and I'm pretty sure catchiness is not the reason. There's nothing wrong with treating hip-hop music as a form that requires a little bit of deeper consideration than "I like it cause it sounds gud" although I'm still not entirely sure what the correct method of going about it is.

Hip-hop discussion has been allowed to be incredibly reductive and boring for a few years, I think, and it's a little weird that a form that is so functionally similar to poetry isn't allowed a similar level of critical analysis, mostly by its fans. I'm pretty open-minded and willing to be convinced, and if someone were to give me an explanation of why, for example, Chief Keef's Love Sosa isn't just a repetitive drone due to a completely staid rhyme scheme with unimaginative lyrics and a struggle to make words rhyme, maybe I'd like it better, but instead, I'd probably get some idiot saying, "You don't get it". I guess I just wish the conversation in hip-hop was better than people regurgitating mediafire links to some mixtape they're going to delete in a week and saying it's hot.

Also, Slaughterhouse is not an example of amazing lyrical ability.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
So, I heard something that was fairly cool and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate thread for it, but it's an instrumental album featuring hip-hop dudes like Friendzone which pulls a shitload of Yasunori Mitsuda samples from videogames like Xenogears and Chrono Cross and makes them into vaguely cloud rap sounding beats. If you heard the one track Main Attrakionz did over that one Chrono Cross beat, you'll have an idea of what this is all about. Listening to it now, and even if it's a really loving nerdy exercise, it's pretty enjoyable thus far. Check it out:

http://lefserecords.bandcamp.com/album/mitsuda

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3_6vfQHTeo Food poo poo: Strong Arm Steady/ Planet Asia/ Madlib on their Whole Foods style.

Onto music, I'm downloading the new KRIT, hoping it's better than his album, which was pretty disappointing. To contribute, if you're into the New York stylings of Roc Marciano, and are searching for something along the same vein, the Connection is vaguely affiliated with him. They put out pretty solid raps with much of the same voice/accent, although without the lyrical talent of Marciano, but the real selling point is that their beats are pretty goddamn great if you're into that jazzy New York aesthetic. This new mixtape from one of the members is pretty great and a worthwhile listen for anyone into that particular sound.

http://digicrates.bandcamp.com/album/tokyo-tower-mixtape

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

the black husserl posted:

People say Keef has no lyrics but I'd rather listen to HAY BEING SODAAA than cornball rhyme schemes.

How many goddamn lines does Chief Keef have that end in loving "-uh" somehow? Dude is aggressively terrible and repetitive. Big Krit's rhymes are corny, but at least he tries.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Anthony Fantano is good because he still gives new music like KRIT a shot, but also doesn't just focus on the blog-rap darlings either, for example, he's like the only internet presence I've seen give any sort of forum for the Billy Woods album last year which was one of the few lyrically driven (and loving great) albums put out in a long time. He also expresses his point of view calmly and without the ridiculous hyperbole that seems common to video reviews, as well as keeping the rambling to an absolute minimum. I like his stuff.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Not sure which mixtape you're talking about, but the Blue Sky/ Black Death Deniro Farrar album Cliff of Death is pretty great.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Backpackers no longer even exist, so maybe who cares?

A lot of this thread's posters are really weirdly into establishing that their tastes of simple, dumb rap music somehow make them more enlightened than the non-existent masses of people who still only listen to indie rap. I think it's kind of weird that every other genre of music is allowed to have both dumb/party poo poo AND smarter progressive stuff, yet when rap does it, a vocal section of (mostly white) people claim NO YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG to the latter. There was a time when you didn't have to choose between your Organized Konfusion album or your Doggystyle record, but I guess dumb rear end tribalism is more important.

Also, gently caress the subtle implication that Cannibal Ox album isn't still really amazing, and honestly better than 99% of the poo poo that gets posted in this thread.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
If you're into the Shabazz Palaces stuff, check out the producer of that stuff, who produced and rapped over his own mixtape called Chimurenga Renaissance: http://chimurengarenaissance.cloudnice.com/main

It's a little more distinctly angry than the Shabazz Palaces work, (this dude really does not like white people), but somehow has lighter beats. It's really pretty good.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

mustafa posted:

Memory Lane (Sittin' in da Park) or Represent, for me.

This is the correct answer to the Illmatic question. Also, drat, people are dropping like flies in this motherfucker.

Does anyone here check for Marq Spekt? Broken Mazes, his tiny EP with Gary Wilson came out a while ago, and it has some classy rear end beats: http://broken-mazes.bandcamp.com/album/broken-mazes
It's pretty overpriced (8$? seriously what the gently caress?) but Pyramid schemes is a loving fantastic song. Gary Wilson is the guy from Stones Throw, while Spekt has put out a bunch of mixtapes over the last few years, and is a legit, good underground rapper.

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
That new Exquire is loving great and I'm only 2 songs in. Goddamn.

Anyway, if you're a fan of Blockhead's production (did a lot of the Aesop Rock poo poo, also Music by Cavelight) he's got an album coming out July 2 with Billy Woods. First track released here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5kGGU9eUHg

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
Let Nas Down is hilariously corny/bad/retarded.

"I got the phone call, quietly I mourned, dog, I LET NAAAAAAS DOWN"

LMAAAAOOOO

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/06/the_10_best_non.php

The Village Voice had a solid overview of the writer's favorite 2013 stuff that isn't Jay or Kanye (also lacking in any trap if you're looking for something different), and it's a decent list, although with some rappers you guys are probably already familiar with.

They did, however, choose the wrong Chicago rapper to hype up (Chance is not as good as Tree), Tyler the Creator is whatevs, and the Woods track they chose isn't as good as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXiUfZXMsCA

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InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

BoyWhiz88 posted:

I still don't understand how Metro Zu or at least a person or two from it isn't bigger, more famous.

Because as good as some of their beats are, and how goddamn nice some of their songs, they also release some awful songs in their mixtapes and seem to have almost no quality control. I think that's part of the fun of their stuff, but you really have to dig through some of their mixtapes to find the good stuff. (Also, a lot of the poo poo on their bandcamp is overpriced as gently caress).

Sonny Cheebah posted:

Oddisee

This dude is so underrated. Also, Joey Bada$$ is okay, but the reason dude's 90's throwback poo poo can feel boring is not some fault of the 90's sound, the Doppelgangaz do all right with it, it's just that he is pretty void of charisma/personality/message/whatever and he's not lyrically strong to make up for it.

InnercityGriot fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jun 28, 2013

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008

Henchman of Santa posted:

Anyone else excited for Billy Woods' new album with Blockhead on production? It drops tomorrow. History Will Absolve Me was my #2 hip-hop album from last year.

Yeah, HWAM was my favorite album last year. I've got the CD pre-ordered already. I'm almost more excited about the fact that he's got ANOTHER album coming up soon with Blue Sky Black Death on production. Should be loving ill.

Here's a recent interview they did with Vice. http://noisey.vice.com/blog/billy-woods-and-blockheads-collaborative-album-dour-candy-is-an-invigorating-hangover

InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
I kind of like that he didn't just do the exact same thing with this album as he did with HWAM. I feel like this album is a more easy entry point for people unfamiliar with his sound, without sacrificing the incredible denseness of the references he drowns the listener with. I'm pretty sure Gilgamesh is one of the best songs he's ever made, too, definitely one of my favorite songs of the whole year.

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InnercityGriot
Dec 31, 2008
People need to stop saying sonically interesting. Especially in defense of Jay's new album which is audio Lunesta.

Also this:

Is really true, but by all means, we could continue talking about a dude who is rapping bars that put Rick Rubin's fat rear end to sleep in a couch.

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