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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Nessus posted:

He was President at the time.

Gone gone the form of man,
Rise the demon politician!

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Nov 27, 2009



Gunjin posted:

I don't know what you all are talking about, there's only one Dune book.

As a kid I read the first book, and then because it was the only other Dune book in my school's library I jumped into God Emperor. No one should read God Emperor in general...

Edit: Holy poo poo, Marvel's adaptation of the Lynch film had art by Sienkiewicz. Why I have I not heard this before and read these comics?



Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 20, 2018

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Rhyno posted:

It's really just a bad adaptation of the film with pretty pictures.

That actually sounds like a perfect adaptation of a really bad film with pretty pictures.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I think I'd rather have Jack Kirby's Lord of Light.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Gnome de plume posted:

I've got to say, it takes a special kind of talent to make someone who can stretch his body into any form look horribly misshapen but somehow they pulled it off.

From what I recall at the time Trimpe was explicitly reacting to the rise of guys who didn't have the basic chops. Liefeld is the obvious one, but there were dozens of Liefeld-lites who weren't even as good as Liefeld who were getting all the work because it was now the 90's and comics had to look like that.

I think he only got one more assignment from Marvel after that before he had to take a job as a high school teacher.

There was a short documentary about Trimpe made in the late 60's by some film students called "Herb Trimpe, We Love You!" Personally, I don't think Trimpe comes across very well in it.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Jonny Nox posted:

I ran this down with my kids the other day:

What colors do artists use on the hulk? Purple and green
Who else is purple and green? All villains from Doom to Green Goblin
Are any heros purple and green? No they are blue and red.
Why is the Hulk purple and green then? TIH was not a Superhero comic because Marvel didn't write those. It was a horror comic. He wasn't a hero until they needed him to sell the Avengers.

Yeah, they really needed the character that nobody liked from the series canceled a year before hand to sell Avengers comics for two issues.

Hulk was very definitely going full hero by the end of his series, though they were leaning into the misunderstood guy aspect of things.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Lencho posted:

His work IS stiff, but I can't hate the man who drew this page:


Imagine reading this as one the first comic book you've ever read. You know all these guys from Superfriends on TV and movies, and then there's Bizarro's backward logic making him commit suicide and Brainiac doing that horrifying scene from Superman III but on Lex Luthor and the story's opening made it very clear that Superman was going to lose and die. That's a comic that will gently caress you up.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



muscles like this! posted:

I'm assuming it wasn't on the original release but I love this bit of text they put at the opening of the collected version.

That text is at the start of the issue. It was removed every time it was collected for about two decades.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



davidspackage posted:

Bee women from space! AA- Mmm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Bee_Girls

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Wheat Loaf posted:

Everybody's got to start somewhere, but it's strange to see sometimes.

It's not half bad.

It's not half good, either. But it's a pretty entertaining exploitation flick.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Edge & Christian posted:

That seems to be the going cover price of Epic Collections, and it collects eighteen issues. It's $17 on Comixology. That's pretty much how all of the "Epic Collections" are priced, and considering some of the other stuff they've collected in this format (Operation Galactic Storm, Harras-era Avengers, Chichester Daredevil, DeFalco FF/Thor, pretty much any Punisher comic published in the the 1990s, Daniel Way Wolverine, the Clone Saga) for all its dumb flaws Liefeld X-Force is worth more per issue than any of that dross.

I want to know who the doofus was who was desperate for early 90's Avengers. Some kind of jacket fetishist, maybe?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



site posted:

No one, I was just curious about pre ksd Carol

You would have been better off reading her Chris Claremont written 1970's series. Not that I'd actually recommend that book to anyone, but it's still better than that series.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



site posted:

I read the first two issues of the first volume for the origin story, but tbh i just do not like that old writing style at all and avoid reading it when i can lol so i didnt bother with anything beyond that

IIRC, Claremont took over with issue 7. But it really is not good so it's not like you missed much.

That Ms. Marvel series was part of a push by Marvel in the mid-70's to diversify their line by having women headline some books. Even if 70's Marvel wasn't a complete trainwreck, they approached this with all of the skill and tact of a bunch of male comic book nerds writing for "chicks". Ms. Marvel and Spider-Woman are probably the best of these series and they're pretty bad.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



PoptartsNinja posted:

It's DC. When are they Heroes?

1938 - 2004.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009




"Jack, I think you might be slightly off-model."

(Alternate joke: a panel from the short but critically acclaimed Fantastic Four run of Pablo Picasso.)

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Digamma-F-Wau posted:

Back in like 2012, Paul Kaminski (Editor on the archie sonic comic at the time) was hyping people up because he got a big name big 2 artist to do some covers, and... well...


I'm unsure if I'm glad or disappointed that the middle one didn't reflect Horn's usual style.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Rhyno posted:

He does everything except the colors usually. "Digital inks" and all that. He had his laptop at C2E2 like two years ago and demonstrated how he put a page together.

How many folders were on his desktop that included "porn" in their name?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Madkal posted:

That being said I kind of like the "energy of the artwork" if that makes sense.

It's like some decent cartoonish art got into a telepod with an off-brand Liefeld.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Push El Burrito posted:

I'm reading Hulk and this fill in artist between Sal Buscema and John Byrne is real good.



I'm hoping this Mignola guy goes places.

I wouldn't call him a "fill-in" since he stays on the book for a full year. Apparently he left to do some miniseries about a racoon.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Push El Burrito posted:

From what I can see he only did a few issues between Buscema and Byrne? He did do covers for a lot of them it looks like though. Although Monster is one of the character defining stories of Hulk. I did get to read Rocket's first appearance and I like that it wasn't just some wacky adventure with no consequences, it lead directly to Bruce Banner being in control.

Marvel's terrible indexing system on their site strikes again.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Flesh Forge posted:

even better, they're all uniform size and density, i.e. the colorist was either using a mouse or doesn't have their tablet set up for pen pressure

Yeah, everything is screaming, "Oh gently caress, we lost the file. Can you redo this page in the next half hour?"

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



OldMemes posted:

So it's doable, but people just don't for whatever reason? Interesting.

About fifteen years ago or so, the standard was to reuse the exact color values used originally when reprinting material. But newsprint is a dingy grey, spongy material so using the same color values on glossy white paper looked atrocious because the result was eye searingly bright (Hulk comic reprints were a good example of this because his green and purple color scheme really turned bad when they did this). A lot of people pointed out that this didn't work and eventually (we're talking ten years or so between the point that publisher stopped using newsprint and the time they got the message that this looked bad) some people began recoloring things. This typically went too far in the other direction, trying to go full modern with the coloring with heavy gradients applied to everything. The problem there is that the original art wasn't designed to take advantage of that kind of digital coloring and the result was also bad. It's fairly recent that the big publishers have finally got the message that they need to recolor their reprints but color them in a more subdued way that duplicates the original intention.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I'm fine with the art style, but the left side of his head is some proper Liefeld Captain America chest fuckery.

It's clearly intentional since he drew it with the same balance but from a slightly different angle in the two panels. It's also a really bad idea.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



BiggerBoat posted:

Yeah, breaking anatomical rules requires you to know how to draw correctly in the first place and that stuff up thread is obviously down to a stylistic choice. A lot of people seem to think if it doesn't look like John Buscema or George Perez that you can't draw a human body. People used to criticize Miller's stuff on DD and Sienkiewicz (or Kirby) for similar rule breaking but, to me anyway, it's obvious when someone is cheating because they can't draw (Liefeld) and someone breaking and exaggerating rules they already know and are just bored with.

The letter columns where people complain about Kirby's art (or Ditko or any other great, influential artist) are the second best part of old comic letter columns. The best part being people complaining about how terrible a classic story was.

Endless Mike posted:

The Emma Frost series was even worse. You can definitely tell from this cover that it's a story about teenaged Emma in high school likely intended for similarly-aged female readers.

No, this was not a variant.



Yeah, Horn's Emma Frost covers are probably his greatest crime since it likely gutted any chance that already iffy book had of finding an audience.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Jonny Nox posted:

What's the DC version of unstable molecules?

Superman's baby blanket.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



How Wonderful! posted:

Nightwatch was pretty cool in Charles Soule's She-Hulk. I think Ron Wimberly did his redesign?

He died unceremoniously during the clone saga, done in by a writer who didn't even spell his name correctly, and didn't appear again until that She-Hulk run. It's actually kind of impressive that he was enough of a turd that nobody wanted to touch him in twenty years.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Darthemed posted:

Cross-posting from the funny panels thread.

Pencils: John Byrne, Inks: Al Gordon

Is it really fair to call it pencils and inks when it's a photo collage?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I thought Don Simpson was better known than this, though I guess Megaton Man has fallen deep into obscurity.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Spotted at a flea market:






(obviously not a comic book, but it was the most special of the set so I had to include it)

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009




It looks like the woman on the far left's teeth are chattering from her terrible outfit choice.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Keromaru5 posted:

As far as poorly-drawn children are concerned, nothing quite proves June Brigman's point like the final issues of Power Pack.



The first time I saw this cover while looking through back issues, I thought it was going to be some kind of confusing flash-forward with the kids as teenagers. The kid in yellow? He's supposed to be about 8.

That issue reads exactly as bad as it looks. It also has a cosmic Whoopi Goldberg in it.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Rotten Red Rod posted:

loving hell, from everything I keep hearing about this game, I really, really wish it wasn't an MMO so I could play it.

It's free to play the entire base game which is a full campaign, they've just got lots of expansions that they're trying to lure you into buying and playing as well.

I tried it and got to the point where I could wander out of the starting areas. It's fine. I fell off because it wasn't to my taste rather than there being something wrong with it.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Well unfortunately it's not a matter of not liking MMOs, it's a matter of deciding not to play them anymore for my own producivity and well-being.

Totally get that. I cut myself off from Genshin Impact because I spotted the Skinner box trap it was weaving. I think FFXIV isn't nearly that bad about things, though if you get sucked into the grind easily I can understand not wanting to go near it.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



thetoughestbean posted:

Also her arms are inexplicably missing

She's jutting her chest out while leaning back. You can see the edge of the arm on the cover.

No matter how you look at it, it's terrible posing and composition. There's better ways to stage that even if you want some boobs to dominate the image.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



stratdax posted:

I googled Antarctic Press to see what they're about. Maybe they're another one of those porn tracing comic companies like that one posted much earlier in the thread.
No, Antarctic Press is much funnier. Looks like they're shitposting in comic form, but I honestly don't know.



I was wondering if that was being satirical or sincere and then I scrolled down to see Chuck Dixon's name.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Just came across this and had to share.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



sliami posted:

also he broke the 180 rule lol

I think in this instance it's okay. The points where he crosses the axis, it's to retain clarity. It's flipped in panel 1 to avoid making that top portion feel static. Lower down, the axis is crossed to maintain a consistent layout. There were better ways to stage this, especially at the top of the page, but violating the 180 rule here avoids confusion rather than causing it.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Push El Burrito posted:

FIGHTER OF THE


Please do not disrespect Night Man. He had his own television series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbVoKgxenk0

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Infinitum posted:

What book was it that featured 'realistic' versions of heroes powers going completely wrong?

Like Deadpool regenerated constantly, but it was all tumours and he was in constant pain, Hulk was just an abomination of flesh, etc

Warren Ellis's Ruins, I think.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Keromaru5 posted:

I think that's actually Johnny; he's the one they send into Galactus' ship to get the Ultimate Nullifier.

No, that page is from "This Man, This Monster" and Reed is diving into the Negative Zone for the first time while a jealous scientist who has stolen Ben's powers is getting ready to murder Reed.

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Nov 27, 2009



BiggerBoat posted:

This threw me for a second



Nice of Magneto to not remove the claw sheaths when he was yanking the rest of the metal out of Wolverine.

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