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funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Pacra posted:

Followed by two more Liefeld works that don't look like any Cap I know.





These two are actually by Bart Sears, I believe. He's always had an over-the-top style, but he appears to have gone completely nuts in recent years.

Echoing Stokoe:



The original artwork is apparently four feet tall. His "Orc Stain" is a word of lunatic genius:

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funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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That's from Mark Bagley - who can either be awesome or terrible depending on who's inking him and how rushed he is.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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It's only the first 20 issues (e.g. Absolute Sandman Volume 1), if memory serves. Gaiman has been pretty vocal over the years about being unhappy with the original coloring in the first few arcs of Sandman books.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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GorfZaplen posted:

I learned about Jim Woodring just today and his stuff is strange and disturbing in a perfect way for me.

e: last one timg'd because it is sort of large

Did somebody say "Jim Woodring" and "sort of large"?



From his "Nibbus Maximus" project.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Metal Loaf posted:

I'm not going to post Liefeld, but I do have a question about him. His first work in comics was on Hawk and Dove for DC about twenty-five years ago. I know that Karl Kesel ended up drawing the hands on feet on the characters, but was it a case that he redrew them over Liefeld's pencils, or did Liefeld seriously submit the art without hands or feet and Kesel had to complete them for him (because I've heard that as well)?

According to this, he submitted art with handless/footless characters:

quote:

On Hawk and Dove, as Rob Liefeld was getting later on his deadlines, he increasingly began to send in his characters without their hands and their feet, with inker Karl Kesel being forced to draw them in for Liefeld.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Dark Horse put out a gorgeous hardcover collection (same size/binding as the Hellboy "library" collections) of the Wrightson Frankenstein a few years back. It's still quite affordable. There's pretty much no excuse for NOT owning it.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Teenage Fansub posted:

Dynamite had a whole Kirbyverse thing going a few years ago. I know nothing about the quality other than the crazy Alex Ross covers.


One of my favorite Kirby things is this painted/collaged concept art for Metron in the back of the first Fourth World omnibus.

I had to take a webcam photo since it apparently doesn't exist on the internet. Could anyone help find a clean scan?

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Drifter posted:

Liefeld's Godessey had the hardest Jesus.

:colbert:


KrakaBOOM motherfucker.

Honestly, this isn't even a contest:



Boris Christ, Superstar is the hardest Jesus.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Boris painted zillions of terrible comic-related things over the years. His oeuvre counts!

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Rhyno posted:

Even back then Jae Lee was critically acclaimed. People ate that poo poo up.

I know I did. When I was sixteen, I self-published what can only be described as a 90s-fueled disaster of a comic that was a horrifying combo of Jae Lee's method of drawing clothing and Todd McFarlanes chewing gum faces. It was... very bad.

As for Lee, his early stuff was basically a weird knock off of Sienkiewicz's funkiest anatomy and Bisley's love of hair and veins:



Part way through his incomprehensible "Hellshock" series at Image, he dropped a lot of that and moved into his own "cleaner" style and mostly stuck with it from there.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Because Simon Bisley (sort of) drew veiny weirdos like that and Jae Lee (who was like 20 at the time) really liked Bisley:



The main difference is that Bisley wasn't drawing Namor, a lithe character who's supposed to be elegant and regal, not crazy and hairy.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Though I suppose an alternate explanation would be that Namor is experiencing a MASSIVE case of the bends and his circulatory system is LITERALLY EXPLODING when exposed to the lower pressure of the surface world.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Adam Pollina:

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Early in his career, Pollina worked for Friendly Comics, an adult comics publisher owned by pornographer and ferret advocate Eric Shefferman. While at Friendly, Pollina provided pencils for the popular Sex Trek series, an adult parody of Star Trek featuring characters named "Jism T. Cock" and "Jean-Luc Prickhard."

Pollina began to pencil X-Force in 1995 with #44 and continued as regular penciller until #81 in 1998. In 1996 he drew the four-issue limited series Rise of Apocalypse, again for Marvel.

Pornographic ferret advocacy was HUGE in the 90s.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Behold the glory of a Stokoe-flavored Avengers one-shot celebrating Marvel's 100th anniversary, 50 years ahead of time.



From Avengers 100th Anniversary Special

We're never going to see another issue of Orc Stain, are we?

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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fatherboxx posted:

Authors tend to lose interest in their creations during the long hiatuses.
Of course for Stokoe it is mostly a financial matter, Orc Stain sold absolutely horrible in single issues. But i am baffled at how much he draws and just buries under the table, like the Poison Thrower one-shot.

According to Brandon Graham, Stokoe is back on Orc Stain now:

quote:

Orc stain is his first loong thing and I think he needed a lap around comics before he came back to it. and yeah, he’s back on it now...

[T]here’s a contract you get into with readers when you start a series— I’m well aware myself with Warheads. The only difference between how I did Warheads and how Stokoe did Orcstain— is I sold the issues as a mini series because I knew It would be awhile until I had more done. I was talking to James about doing the same for new OS.

Anyway, If I have a point here it’s that Orc stain will be done and it’s amazing and more than worth the wait.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Rotten Red Rod posted:

I thought at first this was definitely Liefeld until I saw the credits.. I did a quick Google image search for Steve Tappin, as I'd never heard of him, and I found, uh, this. Apparently from 2000AD.



Is this good? Is this bad? Is it the same Steve Tappin seen above? I... I don't know.

That's something that Slaine does regularly. He looks like a normal muscle barbarian most of the time, but then flips out and has warp spasms that twist and distort his body in ridiculous ways. As a single image, it looks weird, but in the context of the story, the reader would understand what's happening. Here's a Bisley version:

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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fatherboxx posted:

Pat Mills knows how to write for crazy artists:



I love Nemesis so much. Sometimes, I'll loan my copies out to people without any explanation and just wait for them to come back baffled and/or in awe.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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blarzgh posted:

The Spanish inquisitor?

The main villain in Nemesis is Tomás de Torquemada (named after and based on, but not actually supposed to be the infamous Spanish Inquisitor):

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Hulk Smash! posted:

Care or not about the characters, you're a professional, put some effort into your trade I say.

To be fair, his art in that in that era was HEAVILY impacted by which inker was assigned to him.

Avengers 66, inks by Syd Shores:





Still from 66, but inks by Smith himself:

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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BiggerBoat posted:

What's wrong with that? Granted, it's not as good as the other ones but it hardly looks like poo poo.

Nothing. It was an example of BWS art from the same era that looks good because of who inked it.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Edge & Christian posted:

I had forgotten just how ridiculous Kelley Jones Bane was. I half expect it was deliberately mocking the character. Jones always had a somewhat cartoonish, exaggerated style but his Bane is on another level.

He was brought on to fill in for Sam Kieth, who had been DC's choice for Batman covers around that time but hated the work and was way behind schedule. Kieth's covers at that time veered wildly between "Incredibly Boring":



and "Poor Man's Bill Sienkiewicz":



By the time Kieth quit, DC just needed someone to come in and work fast on the covers with a style that was vaguely comparable to him. As a result, Jones almost never had any idea what was happening in the actual stories in those books and just took it as an opportunity to be as weird as possible:

quote:

The covers I did were given to me by a strange twist of fate. DC called and asked if I had Sam Kieth’s phone number, which was odd, because Sam is the one who brought me to DC. They wanted him to do the covers for Batman and Detective. I told them that he was an inspired choice. Before too long Sam called me and said he just wasn’t enjoying doing it, and would I pitch in and help him. In a month or so he quit outright telling me he was just freezing up too much. He was way behind, and DC then asked if I would knock out 4 or 5 of them to catch up, and then they would find a permanent cover artist. The public reaction to my stuff was strong, and that I am fast, made them decide to stick with me. I never knew what the stories were about when I drew the covers, just who was in them, as the books were running late. It worked out just great for me, as I was allowed to just draw. Most came out pretty good.

And being weird and expressive (at the price of anything like accuracy) was basically always his goal:

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I took art and a premed courses on anatomy so I could draw everything right. When I got into comics I looked at my printed work, and though technically good, it was without soul. So, when I started trying to draw what I felt, my editors ‘fixed’ my drawing by having the inkers correct what they felt was wrong. When I came to DC, they didn’t mind my style, and actually allowed me to ink my own stuff starting with Deadman. Sam Kieth and I knew each other then, and both found that we were trying to be perfect, like Dave Stevens, rather than uneven and rough like Graham Engels. Over a pizza we both told each other the same desire to be ourselves, and decided to just do it… waiting to be fired.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Rob Liefeld drew a new thing.



I'm not ready for a world where Rob draws human-shaped people.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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I like to think Cap had been holding that pose - motionless - for the past few minutes while Robin was prepping to introduce him.



From Batman & Captain America #1, circa 1996.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Stop being mean to this lovely man.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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HogX posted:

I thought I'd read a she-hulk comic and...uh.



She-hulk, what happened to you? That gamma radiation really did a number on you. Jesus.



Arya Stark became a lawyer?

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Frank Miller is still drawing... uh... things.

funtax fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Oct 6, 2015

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Conrad_Birdie posted:

Yikes.....I'm trying to think of anything positive to say about that. And nothing is coming to mind.

Superman's undies are on the correct side of his costume.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Here's a Miller Superman from back when the Man of Steel was still eating his Wheaties and getting plenty of sleep:



Frank certainly does love to give him a very squinty face.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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redbackground posted:

Who's the astronaut baby?

It's just a pin-up from Superman Special #1 from 1992, so there's no narrative explanation.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

It appears, from context, that that page is from Fantastic Four Unlimited #3, September, 1993.

The credited penciler is - I poo poo you not - Herb Trimpe.

There was a rumor for many years that he was doing it because Marvel insisted he ape Liefeld's style, but it turns out Trimpe just felt like doing it (and regarded it as his best work for some baffling reason):

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I’ve been asked that question before, with some fans going so far as to feel sorry for the way Marvel made me change my style. Unfortunately, these were misdirected sympathies.

Truth was, it was a lark–but a lark with a purpose, all devised by myself. No one at Marvel suggested I change the way I draw or ink. I looked at the new guys’ stuff, and thought, hey, this is great. Very exciting. You can always learn from somebody else, no matter how long you’ve been doing a thing.

I did, however, think the style might lead to new work at a time when Marvel was already in trouble, and it did. FF Unlimited was my last series at Marvel, and contrary to what a lot of fans think, I think it was the best work I’d done–and, I had a whole lot of fun doing it. Very expressive. I think the newer influences in comic book art brought out a better me. Like I said, most of the fans of the earlier stuff would not agree. On one occasion, I inked a whole story with a brush, which is what I was raised on, and the editor objected asking me not to do that anymore. But in general, no one pressured me into a change.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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BiggerBoat posted:

I was reading some funny articles about Liefeld and wondered if he's ever worked exclusively as an inker? I could almost see it working if a good penciller laid down decent anatomy, perspective, coherent story telling and backgrounds first.

I know it would be cross hatched to hell and back but I think it's possible that Rob's "energy" might actually translate OK with a solid drawer.



He inked some Kirby stuff in the mid-90s and somehow still managed to remove nearly every foot.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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NorgLyle posted:

I'm not sure if I'd be curious or horrified to see what modern inkers and colors would do to Kirby's pencils.

Look no further than some of the books that came out right at the end of his life, when Image founders were routinely inking his stuff. In general, they were doing it for noble reasons, but dear lord does that kind of inking not work with someone like Kirby.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Archyduke posted:

I don't know, the faces look kind of Paul Pope-esque to me.

That would be fine if he was inking a Paul Pope comic, I suppose. But it looks absolute dreadful as part of a Kirby piece.

Some others did a better job, but none of them understand Kirby's faces at all, so they just paste a standard 90s-style chewing gum face on top of everyone's neck. There's just a lack of discipline to it all - like they couldn't just let bold lines and shadows carry the pieces, so they kept fussing and scribbling and adding superfluous lines everywhere. The results are busy and confused.

Oddly enough, Liefeld's inks are probably the best of the bunch in terms of not obliterating the Kirbyness of it all (though he somehow STILL manages to make everyone cross-eyed).

Liefeld:



Larsen:



Lee:

funtax fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jun 18, 2017

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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It reminds me of the old "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" book, which addresses this exact problem (over Kirby pencils, as it happens).

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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In his defense, the giant robots he ripped the guns away from DID fail to heed his request for reasoned debate, and then ruined his bunny slippers.



sticksy posted:

This is pretty funny if you imagine this in Hulk’s voice/speaking style

He was in one of his "smart Hulk" phases (and Terminator 2 was a big deal at the time).



Jedit posted:

He doesn't really need it. Hulk gets pissed off when he finds something he can't lift or smash, so he tends to escalate.

Indeed! Straight to butts and killing.



Though the butt thing was foreshadowed earlier in the issue...



Infinitum posted:

Whatever happened to Strongguy? The mutant who the more he used his powers the stronger he got, but the dumber he got?

Let's hop to the final page of the issue and see!

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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El Gallinero Gros posted:

Folks, gimme your coolest Silver Surfer art

Basically, every Surfer image Tradd Moore has ever produced.



funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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As a kid, I wound up with a banged up copy of ASM #317 a couple of years after it came out and was very confused by how the Thing looked. Trusting the editor's note to point me at an explanation for his appearance, I eventually tracked down FF #226 and... learned nothing of value (because the actual issue was FF #326).

As a result, it took me years to realize that this wasn't just Todd McFarlane being weird about how he drew the Thing.

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Chinston Wurchill posted:

From Deadpool Black, White, & Blood #1:



James Stokoe drawing a man/bear hybrid driving a giant tank? Yes please.

Not just ANY man-bear hybrid. Noted butthead separatist Ursa Major...

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

anyone know where this is from?

Fighting American #2

Art by Stephen Platt, story by Rob Liefeld, script by Jeff Loeb.

It was originally a Captain America book Rob Liefeld was putting together in the mid-90s. When Marvel was facing bankruptcy and low-balled Liefeld as a result, he reached out to original Captain America creator Joe Simon and Roz Kirby, widow of the Cap's other creator, Jack Kirby. Simon and Kirby had created a Cap 2.0 character named Fighting American back in the 1950s, but it didn't really go anywhere. Liefeld licensed the character, tweaked the art for the Captain America book and released this two issue miniseries.

It's... fine by mid-90s standards.

funtax fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 3, 2022

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Feb 28, 2001
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Darthemed posted:


The Punisher #95 (1994)
Pencils/Inks: Frank Teran
Colors: Michael Golden

The couple of issues that Teran illustrated are the only Punisher comics I've kept over the years. I was 15 or 16 when it came out and the owner of my LCS talked me into picking up #94. Hilarious though it may be to see the Punisher in JNCO jeans I remain grateful that I was convinced to check them out, because they're just so visceral and evocative and unlike anything else we were getting during that era.

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