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The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.





SyHopeful posted:

and since HK fanboys are never wrong...






Lol, seriously though, a usp is on the Target list of guns I'm going to get. It's just not at the top.

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Nick L
Jun 22, 2004

Great, I'll never see that logo again without thinking...

I think HKs are pretty.

SyHopeful
Jun 24, 2007
May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

Nick L posted:

I think HKs are pretty.

Not all of us can drop $5k on guns on whim, homeslice

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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Plaster Town Cop

You're allowed to think HKs are pretty, even if you're a lowly paper-boy.

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



I think Eliza Dushku is pretty. Doesn't mean I'll ever get a chance to sleep with her, but you bet your rear end I will disappoint her if the opportunity ever presents itself.

Nick L
Jun 22, 2004

Great, I'll never see that logo again without thinking...

SyHopeful posted:

Not all of us can drop $5k on guns on whim, homeslice

Well, I just think they are very aesthetically pleasing, whether purchased or not. And, honestly, I have a feeling that opinion is shared by enough people that it plays into HK's success, despite the company's objective/empirical reality (Apple analogy, though that horse is dead).

Also, for the record, I have a very small penis.

SadWhaleFamily
May 1, 2007



Nick L posted:

Well, I just think they are very aesthetically pleasing, whether purchased or not. And, honestly, I have a feeling that opinion is shared by enough people that it plays into HK's success, despite the company's objective/empirical reality (Apple analogy, though that horse is dead).

Also, for the record, I have a very small penis.

how can I get as well-paying a job for having a small penis? lemme know in PMs, thanks

Nick L
Jun 22, 2004

Great, I'll never see that logo again without thinking...

SadWhaleFamily posted:

how can I get as well-paying a job for having a small penis? lemme know in PMs, thanks

Midget porn.

Mishaco
May 4, 2005



I've done a Walther Mega-thread twice in TFR...once back years ago, and again last year.

I really like the P99...infact i just got another yesterday because it was on sale haha.

It was my first modern pistol in the P99 QA configuration (Gen. 1), and it was in .40 S&W...now before we get into .40 cal hating, please remember it was during the aWB so it was either 10 rounds of 9mm or 10 rounds of .40 so i called it. Plus it was simply the model i found used at the gunshop 2 blocks from my flat at the time, so it was easy.

Here is the run down about P99 triggers, they make 3 types and they've had 2 Generations.
First Gen =
P99 - had a double/single action trigger, with large decocker. Pressing the decocker would turn it from single, back to double, and it was also used for disassembly. The DA trigger had a longer pull and to cock it into SA, you pulled the slide back 0.25"
P99 QA - Glock or HK style DAO trigger with small decocker....if you press the decocker, yes it disabled the gun. This meant you could safely carry the gun with a shell in the chamber but with the striker disabled. Like with the P99 normal you could rack the slide 0.25" to cock it again..it was a really light pull and i actually still have one of these early Gen 1 QA pistols.
P990 - DAO, with full double action trigger and no decocker....meant for police use and not common with civies just becuase of the intentionally heavy trigger pull.

Gen 2 and the current ones you will find new. These have a standard rail under the barrel instead of the HK/Walther style found on the early P99s, they also have a redesigned slide with better grooves and extended mag release levers....just little upgrades that make the pistol feel better.
P99 AS - Anti-stress feature which is basically the same as the original P99 with DA/SA trigger and large decocker but the trigger pull was made more consistant...Its kind of hard to explain but if you hold one, you'll get it. basically the first shot rather in DA or SA is the same length of pull, though in SA its much lighter. It was done to keep the trigger consistantly in the same location no matter what.
P99 - QA - same as above but with modern features
P99 DAO - same as P990 but with different name.

There is also the PPS which is basically a single stack P99 Compact though a tiny bit smaller front to back.

I vote P99 just because i like them, they are cheaper, and i have never ever had one jam on me. Saying a lot since i've owned one for over 12 years. Walther got it right with this gun and it uses some of the best HK features like the mag release and general fit and finish. The P99 is all German made too unlike the SW99 & P22. Interchangeable backstraps are nice too and the fact it come from the factory with both a set of shorter and taller sights and even the sight tool and a decent polymer cleaning rod. The Compact version holds 12 rds of 9mm and 8 rds of .40. fullsized P99 mags will also fit though they stick out the bottum of course. It fits my hand well and uses a similar recoil reduction system as the USP does.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004



The only HK I've ever owned was an ex-California DOJ HK 94 that I had chopped down to MP5 length and then used with a registered sear. It was a great gun to shoot, but not twice the gun an Uzi is, despite being twice the price. Add in the additional expense of HK parts and magazines over Uzi parts and mags and the fact the Uzi can be easily converted to shoot .22 or .45 and there was no choice. I did make like $600 on the sale though.

SyHopeful
Jun 24, 2007
May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

Nick L posted:

Well, I just think they are very aesthetically pleasing, whether purchased or not. And, honestly, I have a feeling that opinion is shared by enough people that it plays into HK's success, despite the company's objective/empirical reality (Apple analogy, though that horse is dead).

Also, for the record, I have a very small penis.

don't get me wrong, HK does have a utilitarian appeal and I don't completely hate their products (really want a P7), its just that between their treatment of the civilian market, the fact that they aren't exactly the best value, and certain posters being unable to shut the gently caress up about them, I have little interest in owning one.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Craptacular posted:

The only HK I've ever owned was an ex-California DOJ HK 94 that I had chopped down to MP5 length and then used with a registered sear. It was a great gun to shoot, but not twice the gun an Uzi is, despite being twice the price. Add in the additional expense of HK parts and magazines over Uzi parts and mags and the fact the Uzi can be easily converted to shoot .22 or .45 and there was no choice. I did make like $600 on the sale though.



Close the thread. The NFA guy has spoken.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


wilfoy posted:

I owned a P30 9mm and it was glorious...


...until I pulled the trigger. It was TERRIBLE. The worst part was the agonizingly long reset. It was at least 3/8 of an inch. Quick follow-up shots were nearly impossible, because you had to let the trigger out so far and it didn't have a lot of force pushing against your finger. I couldn't shoot it for poo poo because of how mushy the break was. Apparently Bruce Gray can work wonders on it, but I wasn't about to spend $350 to fix the trigger on a pistol that cost $780 on sale. That's my HK story and one is enough for me.

It still seems like the USP/c have the better triggers out of all of their pistols. LEM on the USP has a shorter reset than on the P2000's, but I haven't tried the HK45 or P30. I was let down that there's some creep in SA mode on a DA/SA USP, but at least the match trigger is available if it bothers you. It is pretty silly that it's not so great out of the box, but maybe I'm spoiled by Sig.

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Oh by the way, I guess it goes here, but I was kind of surprised last week when I learned that the president of H&K usa was black. If there was a company that I expected to be led by some kind of haughty teutonic aryan übermensch, it was H&K.

SadWhaleFamily
May 1, 2007



WitchFetish posted:

Oh by the way, I guess it goes here, but I was kind of surprised last week when I learned that the president of H&K usa was black. If there was a company that I expected to be led by some kind of haughty teutonic aryan übermensch, it was H&K.

some of us are still fighting the election of the president of HK-USA since we don't even think he was born here

For real content, the first HK I shot was a USP Tactical in .45. This was while I was also shooting a Beretta Neos. Contrast is something to learn about.

I remember liking it, though. I also shot a P2000 in .40 that I thought was pretty neat. I shot a .40 P30 that I thought was loving awful. Last time I was at the range, I was in the lane next to a group that had an MP5k (or whatever civie semi version, and I assume they got the SBR stamp). I offered one of them to shoot my Golani since he was interested, but he said no. I did not get to handle the MP5k.

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

WitchFetish posted:

Oh by the way, I guess it goes here, but I was kind of surprised last week when I learned that the president of H&K usa was black. If there was a company that I expected to be led by some kind of haughty teutonic aryan übermensch, it was H&K.

So long as he's got his doctorate, they give no shits.

wilfoy
Jan 21, 2004


SadWhaleFamily posted:

some of us are still fighting the election of the president of HK-USA since we don't even think he was born here

For real content, the first HK I shot was a USP Tactical in .45. This was while I was also shooting a Beretta Neos. Contrast is something to learn about.

I remember liking it, though. I also shot a P2000 in .40 that I thought was pretty neat. I shot a .40 P30 that I thought was loving awful. Last time I was at the range, I was in the lane next to a group that had an MP5k (or whatever civie semi version, and I assume they got the SBR stamp). I offered one of them to shoot my Golani since he was interested, but he said no. I did not get to handle the MP5k.

It's a real shame that the P30 shoots like poo poo. Its ergonomics are absolutely amazing and it was probably the biggest disappointment of any gun I've ever purchased.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


wilfoy posted:

It's a real shame that the P30 shoots like poo poo. Its ergonomics are absolutely amazing and it was probably the biggest disappointment of any gun I've ever purchased.

How thrilled are you about the batman grip? Do the glock finger grooves fit you?

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



WitchFetish posted:

Oh by the way, I guess it goes here, but I was kind of surprised last week when I learned that the president of H&K usa was black.

Wayne HUSSEIN Weber ain't my president!

beta
May 6, 2007
It ends here.

A few words about the Heckler Und Koch offensive pistol, the Mk-23.

The original firearm design started in the late 90's by the needs of the German army special force's unit "PSP-1", PöbelSpezialPatrouillé Einz.
The unit's high-speed low drag operators were operating at such high speeds in such a low drag environment that they frequently broke the sound barrier and thus caused frequent "Sturm und Drang", banging sounds. There is the sad Riga incident of '87 where one operator operated in such high speed that caused him to break the gravitational acceleration barrier and enter LOE.

Anyhoo, the first response for this problem from the German army was weight the SpezialPatrouilléTrobadouren with single standard issue 20 kg weight, "ein G-3", or in special cases the below pictured two 20 kg weights, "zwei G-3".


The contract for manufacturing these weights was awarded to Heckler UND Koch as the lowest bidder. These weights were also made available to civilians under the name HK-91, with some of the military characteristics neutered. The military version is not seen as a success as the weights just weren't heavy enough, leaving the SpezialSpezialPatrouilléKünstlern to rig up "ersatz", Mission Oriented Equipment, weights to keep them operating in such speeds that no minds would be blown. Here is one pictured below.


The German army said "Versuch es nochmals!" and HeckLER Und Koch gave them the MK-23 offensive pistol. This was seen as a success, as the pistol weighed one down heavily enough to allow safe operating in an operating environment, while leaving room in the backpack for small snacks. MK-23 Offensive pistol pictured below with an attached suppressor and Kugel.


The MK-23 offensive pistol is also offered for civilian sales, but the secret metal composition which allows the user to be 160% denser than the sun, causes a high premium price. And I mean, what the hell would you do with it, just look at the loving thing. Pictured below.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



beta posted:



Well this is just loving wonderful

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


goddamn

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

DJExile posted:

Well this is just loving wonderful

yup

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.





Beta posted:

Amazingness

wilfoy
Jan 21, 2004


Ninja Rope posted:

How thrilled are you about the batman grip? Do the glock finger grooves fit you?

It fit my hand wonderfully, thanks to its ultra-modularity. I really loved everything about that gun except for the trigger, which was so bad that it overrode all the positives.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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Plaster Town Cop

Wayne Weber was head of the Defense division of HK USA when the company was awarded the DHS contract for 65,000 P2000s. Now he's the head of the company, and DHS just announced the implementation of a ten-year contract for 12,500 more P2000s and related parts and supplies. The wording of the agreement:

quote:

Sole Source Justification: The statutory authority for use of 'other than full and open competition' for this transaction is 41 USC 253(c)(1) as implemented by FAR 6.302-1, only one responsible source and no other supplies or services will satisfy agency requirements. This action is in direct response to the ending of the DHS-wide Pistol Contract HSCOW-04-C-0186 which was used to provide CBP with the mission essential firearm.

Yep. Only one product will satisfy agency requirements. Despite two of the three divisions of CBP switching back to Glocks for folks operating in a maritime environment, and despite the Glock having a much better track record for reliability, cost, and higher officer qualification scores. The Beretta 96D also had a much better track record than the P2000.

Wayne Weber went to Xavier University in Louisiana. Know who else went to Xavier? That's right. Tom Ridge.*

*Okay, I made that bit up. I was really scrambling for a angle.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


Dear H&K,

All we really wanted was a USP with a standard rail.

Love,

The World

Gray Stormy
Dec 19, 2006



Uncle Caveman posted:

Dear H&K,

All we really wanted was a USP with a standard rail.

Love,

The World

Dear World,

Get hosed.

Sincerely,
HK

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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Plaster Town Cop

Uncle Caveman posted:

Dear H&K,

All we really wanted was a USP with a standard rail.

Love,

The World

What's the matter? The UTL not good enough for you?




Gray Stormy posted:

Dear World,

Get hosed.

Sincerely,
HK

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



Uncle Caveman posted:

Dear H&K,

All we really wanted was a USP with a standard rail.

Love,

The World

Dear World,

http://www.gggaz.com/hk-usp-flashlight-mounts.html


Love,
GG&G


PS: Blade-Tech sends their love.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Someone come get me when they make a USP compact with a LEM trigger and a button mag release.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

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Plaster Town Cop

Black Stormy posted:

Someone come get me when they make a USP compact with a LEM trigger and a button mag release.

Wuss.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



infrared35 posted:

Wuss.

Paddle releases are terrible. I had a USPc and it was a great gun, but gently caress that mag release.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Black Stormy posted:

Paddle releases are terrible. I had a USPc and it was a great gun, but gently caress that mag release.

Another white boy scared by change

Gray Stormy
Dec 19, 2006



DJExile posted:

Another white boy scared by change



You can point fingers when you can carry a full-size pistol like the rest of us giant dudes.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Gray Stormy posted:

Dear World,

Get hosed.

Sincerely,
HK

I can't believe the HK thread has gone this long without this:

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

Black Stormy posted:

Paddle releases are terrible. I had a USPc and it was a great gun, but gently caress that mag release.

But it's ambidextrous. You can't have a tier-one tertiary weapons system without an ambidextrous mag release.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



infrared35 posted:

But it's ambidextrous. You can't have a tier-one tertiary weapons system without an ambidextrous mag release.

Guess I will always be tier 2 then.

Flanker
Sep 10, 2002

OPERATORS GONNA OPERATE
After a good night's sleep


beta posted:

A few words about the Heckler Und Koch offensive pistol, the Mk-23.

The original firearm design started in the late 90's by the needs of the German army special force's unit "PSP-1", PöbelSpezialPatrouillé Einz.
The unit's high-speed low drag operators were operating at such high speeds in such a low drag environment that they frequently broke the sound barrier and thus caused frequent "Sturm und Drang", banging sounds. There is the sad Riga incident of '87 where one operator operated in such high speed that caused him to break the gravitational acceleration barrier and enter LOE.


Too much speed can be dangerous.

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Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


I know about the USP adapters, but it's still an inelegant solution to a problem which shouldn't have existed beyond 1995.

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