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tzirean
May 1, 2007



Grimey Drawer

Dicty Brojangles posted:

Nzbget is coded in C rather than sabnzbd's Python, so it is and always will be lighter and more nimble.

Cool, thank you.

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Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of death: Pretentiousness


Does NZBget allow you to open the folder containing the downloaded file from the completed downloads page? That's the one feature I'd like sabnzbd to have the most.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006


Not that I can see, but if you click the name of it it'll bring up an info panel and one of the things is the path to the file at least.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.


OK, so would this be a good way to start out or am I missing something?

Supernews $9.99 for 1 month.
Drunkenslug indexer $10/year.
nzbget
Are browser extensions still necessary?

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?


Oldstench posted:

OK, so would this be a good way to start out or am I missing something?

Supernews $9.99 for 1 month.
Drunkenslug indexer $10/year.
nzbget
Are browser extensions still necessary?

I donít think browser extensions have ever been necessary. Iíve never used one nor can I think of a reason to for downloading binaries from usenet and Iíve been doing this for decades.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.


GutBomb posted:

I donít think browser extensions have ever been necessary. Iíve never used one nor can I think of a reason to for downloading binaries from usenet and Iíve been doing this for decades.

Oh. It was in the OP and I've never done "modern usenet".

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?


Oldstench posted:

Oh. It was in the OP and I've never done "modern usenet".

Oh I just looked at what the extensions do. All of the indexers I use have that functionality built in so thereís no need for an extension. I think the OP is pretty old.

Edit:Yeah last edited 6 years ago.

Depending on what youíre looking to download you should look into Sonarr, Radarr, and headphones. Iíll let you google those. But they automate a lot of stuff by basically creating a download wishlist that interacts with the indexers and the download client automatically so you donít really have to do anything except tell it what you want and then it goes and grabs it, unpacks it, renames it, and puts it where it goes.

GutBomb fucked around with this message at Jun 17, 2018 around 21:52

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002



I use Astraweb at $8/mo with Blocknews as a backup for missing parts.

SymmetryrtemmyS
Jul 13, 2013



I don't know how far along Lidarr is, but it's a Sonarr/Radarr clone for music.

If I had to pick one indexer, it'd be NZBGeek. Fast uploads, great API speed, and lifetime premium is available. PFMonkey and NZBs.org are also great, but you can't get into NZBs.org so I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. PFM is a good choice, and I've been told that they have more obscure music indexed than some others.

My setup is Sonarr, Radarr, NZBHydra2, SABnzbd (switched from NZBGet a while ago for the server stats) with NZB360 for phone control. I don't really download music, and when I do I can just search for it on Hydra, so I haven't bothered with Headphones/Lidarr.

I use NewsGroupDirect for my monthly, and free-usenet for two 500gb blocks, I couldn't resist that BOGO. I've used basically none of my blocks with NGD, and I signed up on sale so I pay $4.

SymmetryrtemmyS fucked around with this message at Jun 17, 2018 around 22:04

sedative
Mar 20, 2003

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Oldstench posted:

OK, so would this be a good way to start out or am I missing something?

Supernews $9.99 for 1 month.
Drunkenslug indexer $10/year.
nzbget
Are browser extensions still necessary?

You can get NewsgroupDirect unlimited for $3.99 a month. It comes with free VPN service. I think you have to send a message to support after ordering.

You could also get a block from somewhere like Usenet.Farm or UsenetExpress.

The indexer is more important than providers these days. If you get on one of the better indexers you won't run into many (if any) DMCA takedowns.

sedative fucked around with this message at Jun 17, 2018 around 22:17

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


SymmetryrtemmyS posted:

If I had to pick one indexer, it'd be NZBGeek. Fast uploads, great API speed, and lifetime premium is available.

What's this you say?

RoboBoogie
Sep 18, 2008


Thermopyle posted:

What's this you say?



can we still use sabnzbd's indexer in sonarr?

ClassH
Mar 17, 2008


sedative posted:

You could also get a block from somewhere like Usenet.Farm or UsenetExpress.

The indexer is more important than providers these days. If you get on one of the better indexers you won't run into many (if any) DMCA takedowns.

I went with usenetexpress since it is it's own tier1 and not highwinds. Then I have block accounts from highwinds and tweaknews. Works out really well.

ClassH
Mar 17, 2008


RoboBoogie posted:

can we still use sabnzbd's indexer in sonarr?

Do you mean sickbeards?

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.


Thanks for the replies, all.

When you folks paid for this, did you get all paranoid and use bitcoin or whatever? I really don't want to do that if I don't have to.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!


I just paid normally. I haven't heard of indexers being visited by jackbooted thugs. It seems like they have their hands full with torrent sites.

el_caballo
Feb 26, 2001


Is it worth it to switch all my poo poo (SAB, Hydra, Radar, Sonar, etc.) to Docker stuff if I'm just running a Windows 10 file server? Hydra1 seems to be getting a lot of http 500 errors and complaints from Radar/Sonar as being unresponsive, so I was going to try out Hydra2 and that led to Docker research.

I read about Docker awhile ago and was interested, but then read something about there not being much benefit if you weren't running it on a NAS box. Seems to be even more popular now.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


Oldstench posted:

Thanks for the replies, all.

When you folks paid for this, did you get all paranoid and use bitcoin or whatever? I really don't want to do that if I don't have to.

Citi has a feature where you can generate virutal credit card numbers and set them to have dollar amount and date restrictions. I just use one of those, set it to expire next month and make it only good for the purchase plus a couple extra bucks. If it gets stolen, it's worthless.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


el_caballo posted:

Is it worth it to switch all my poo poo (SAB, Hydra, Radar, Sonar, etc.) to Docker stuff if I'm just running a Windows 10 file server? Hydra1 seems to be getting a lot of http 500 errors and complaints from Radar/Sonar as being unresponsive, so I was going to try out Hydra2 and that led to Docker research.

I read about Docker awhile ago and was interested, but then read something about there not being much benefit if you weren't running it on a NAS box. Seems to be even more popular now.

I am of the belief that if I do not need technology X, I do not employ technology X. There are very valid use cases for Docker, running these programs on a server is not one of them. On the other hand, there probably is no harm in doing so, if your goal is to learn more about Docker.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


A benefit of running hydra2 in docker is not having to install JRE on your server. Same goes for radarr/sonarr with regards to Mono....but I don't have as much against Mono as I do against JRE.

It becomes especially useful when different apps require different versions of JRE or Mono.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Thermopyle posted:

A benefit of running hydra2 in docker is not having to install JRE on your server. Same goes for radarr/sonarr with regards to Mono....but I don't have as much against Mono as I do against JRE.

It becomes especially useful when different apps require different versions of JRE or Mono.

I am not familiar with mono, if it can be installed outside of the package manager or not, but java can certainly be. You can have 100 JREs installed on a computer that do not conflict with each other at all. All you need to do is :

  • Get the tar.gz of the needed JRE
  • Unpack said tar.gz somewhere
  • launch said application with the JRE it needs. e.g. /some/path/jre1.2.3/bin/java -jar application.jar -whatever -arguments -it -needs
  • Profit?

For the more "complicated" applications, one may need to create a shell script that launches their shell script. Your shell script only needs to set the environment variables that the other app needs: JAVA_HOME,JRE_HOME, maybe update PATH so it has /some/path/jre1.2.3/bin/ at the start. Done.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


Volguus posted:

I am not familiar with mono, if it can be installed outside of the package manager or not, but java can certainly be. You can have 100 JREs installed on a computer that do not conflict with each other at all. All you need to do is :

  • Get the tar.gz of the needed JRE
  • Unpack said tar.gz somewhere
  • launch said application with the JRE it needs. e.g. /some/path/jre1.2.3/bin/java -jar application.jar -whatever -arguments -it -needs
  • Profit?

For the more "complicated" applications, one may need to create a shell script that launches their shell script. Your shell script only needs to set the environment variables that the other app needs: JAVA_HOME,JRE_HOME, maybe update PATH so it has /some/path/jre1.2.3/bin/ at the start. Done.

Yeah, I know. I wasn't saying that it's been impossible to use multiple JREs up to the introduction of Docker. I'm saying that Docker is just as valid a solution to that problem (and maybe even easier) and when you couple that with not wanting to manage a bunch of different JREs on top of managing your JRE-needing applications, Docker seems pretty attractive.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Thermopyle posted:

Yeah, I know. I wasn't saying that it's been impossible to use multiple JREs up to the introduction of Docker. I'm saying that Docker is just as valid a solution to that problem (and maybe even easier) and when you couple that with not wanting to manage a bunch of different JREs on top of managing your JRE-needing applications, Docker seems pretty attractive.

If you have the HDD space, sure. When I played with docker (getting an application of mine built by the container and create a slim container to host it) i found myself with a 30GB /var/lib/docker after a couple of hours. That's not very nice. Not very nice at all.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Docker makes updates a breeze, you don't have to worry about locally installing dependencies and removes the few security concerns I had about running a media server. The verbose docker logging can be disabled too, I had the same thing at first with one specific image.

But yeah if you're already happy running the apps themselves on Windows then no real reason to switch. I was rebuilding my entire NAS so I just went the unRAID/Docker route.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


Volguus posted:

If you have the HDD space, sure. When I played with docker (getting an application of mine built by the container and create a slim container to host it) i found myself with a 30GB /var/lib/docker after a couple of hours. That's not very nice. Not very nice at all.

A valid point, though maybe not the best in a thread focused around downloading things that tend to be large. These days 30GB can easily be one single release, so it's hard to care about a few GB of overhead on your media server.

That said I ended up switching back away from Docker too after having tried to switch my entire media server over to it. I just found it to be too much extra complexity to manage path mappings, port forwards, and diagnostics when troubleshooting. It seemed like more trouble that it was worth to me for a single system. I don't like having the JRE on my server but it's at least the system-provided OpenJDK so it updates automatically along with everything else.

I totally get why Docker is popular in the "cloud" world where people are deploying dozens or hundreds of identical instances but I find it less than ideal for a single system running one copy of each thing.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


The Gunslinger posted:

... and removes the few security concerns I had about running a media server. ...

It shouldn't. Docker is not a VM. One can get out of a VM as well, but it is a little bit harder. Out of docker is comparatively a breeze. If you had security concerns running a media server before, the same concerns should still exist. As one former docker developer said: do not run code that you don't trust in docker. Linux cgroups' goal is not security, but resource usage control and accounting, and namespaces ... again, is not a security replacement. A VM provides a much lower surface of attack of the host system.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006
At least that dreadful man has gone. For now.


You guys are making me feel like I did it wrong by just installing all these programs on my Windows natively.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005



One huge plus for docker (to me) is that once you get your system set up with well updated containers (linuxserver.io for instance.) then any kind of updates just becomes
docker-compose pull --parallel
docker-compose up -d

And every part of your system is on the latest.

frameset
Apr 13, 2008



Hughlander posted:

One huge plus for docker (to me) is that once you get your system set up with well updated containers (linuxserver.io for instance.) then any kind of updates just becomes
docker-compose pull --parallel
docker-compose up -d

And every part of your system is on the latest.

I was reading about linuxserver.io the other day and it looks drat cool. I really don't want to have to start again with all my apps though.

insularis
Sep 21, 2002

Donated $20. Get well, Lowtax.

Fun Shoe

Volguus posted:

If you have the HDD space, sure. When I played with docker (getting an application of mine built by the container and create a slim container to host it) i found myself with a 30GB /var/lib/docker after a couple of hours. That's not very nice. Not very nice at all.

OT, but if this is a Dr. Frankenstein quote from 1985's Day of the Dead, I love you for it.

UltimoDragonQuest
Oct 5, 2011



frameset posted:

I was reading about linuxserver.io the other day and it looks drat cool. I really don't want to have to start again with all my apps though.
I wiped my OS drive and moved to Docker on Friday. I'd highly recommend it if you ever make a change where you need to re-install everything anyway.

xgalaxy
Jan 27, 2004
i write code

I use the linuxserver.io docker packages. They cover all of the most popular services and the stuff is put together so well. I have all of my configs for each service in their own directories separate from the containers. So there is no fear of having to wipe everything out or having to move to a different container or roll my own container for a specific service.

The only naggy little issue I have is Mylar doesn't update correctly for some stupid reason. But Mylar is by and large a piece of crap and if I didn't suck at web dev I'd try making my own version of it.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Volguus posted:

It shouldn't. Docker is not a VM. One can get out of a VM as well, but it is a little bit harder. Out of docker is comparatively a breeze. If you had security concerns running a media server before, the same concerns should still exist. As one former docker developer said: do not run code that you don't trust in docker. Linux cgroups' goal is not security, but resource usage control and accounting, and namespaces ... again, is not a security replacement. A VM provides a much lower surface of attack of the host system.

I'm virtualizing unRAID in ESXi so I'm not too faffed about it either way but fair enough.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell


Just because it's easier to get out of a container than a VM does not mean running in a container is on an equal security footing as the same software running directly on your server.

frameset
Apr 13, 2008



Thermopyle posted:

Just because it's easier to get out of a container than a VM does not mean running in a container is on an equal security footing as the same software running directly on your server.

Yeah thinking otherwise is very black and white thinking

Hughlander
May 11, 2005



Thermopyle posted:

Just because it's easier to get out of a container than a VM does not mean running in a container is on an equal security footing as the same software running directly on your server.

Thatís why you run a container in an lxc on a vm! Errr or something (I run my containers on an lxc so if docker fucks up somewhere I can just lxc stop it.). But thatís not for this thread.

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Greatest Living Man
Jul 22, 2005

ask President Obama


Are iocage jails considered secure? I have my mono programs on one and my perl/python on another.

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