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Feb 18, 2021 23:17
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Well drat
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Feb 19, 2021 00:42
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drat... One grandfather was a medic in WWII, the other drove an ambulance.
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Feb 19, 2021 01:37
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We really don't acknowledge enough the price the USSR paid during WW2, a good chunk of that was because of lovely management by the people in charge, but another good chunk was people trying to do the best they could to protect their own homes.
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Feb 19, 2021 03:25
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Friend sent me these pages of Infinite Frontier. 
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Mar 4, 2021 01:17
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Hi gay. I'm son.
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Mar 4, 2021 03:11
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People are so mad about this, I had to bail on a previously decent FB group.
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Mar 4, 2021 04:59
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Rhyno posted:People are so mad about this, I had to bail on a previously decent FB group. I can't imagine any of them gave a poo poo about Alan Scott a week ago.
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Mar 4, 2021 05:21
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Skwirl posted:I can't imagine any of them gave a poo poo about Alan Scott a week ago. Well, they cared in 2011 when E2 Alan Scott was also gay.
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Mar 4, 2021 05:45
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Rhyno posted:Well, they cared in 2011 when E2 Alan Scott was also gay. Maybe? did anyone actually care about Earth 2?
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Mar 4, 2021 05:51
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Skwirl posted:Maybe? did anyone actually care about Earth 2? Does it count if I cared when Tom Taylor was blowing it up? Because that was a fun read, though I guess E2 itself didn't last long
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Mar 4, 2021 05:57
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Skwirl posted:Maybe? did anyone actually care about Earth 2? There was a pretty stupid conservative uproar over it. The retailer forums had a thread where shops were sharing their stories about idiots trying to buy all the copies. I had several go missing and one Karen wanted me to destroy them to keep them out of the hands of children.
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Mar 4, 2021 06:29
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Rhyno posted:There was a pretty stupid conservative uproar over it. The retailer forums had a thread where shops were sharing their stories about idiots trying to buy all the copies. I had several go missing and one Karen wanted me to destroy them to keep them out of the hands of children. Wait, people were buying every copy to make sure no one read them? Yeah, that's how you teach DC not to publish a second printing of something, buy every copy.
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Mar 4, 2021 06:33
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Rhyno posted:People are so mad about this, I had to bail on a previously decent FB group. I don't know the character well, but was this a natural character moment for them? Cause it feels like it was. If morons are gonna expose their whole rear end as homophobes over innocent poo poo like this, loving let em reap what they sow.
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Mar 4, 2021 07:18
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Infinitum posted:I don't know the character well, but was this a natural character moment for them? Cause it feels like it was. Kinda sorta? The character (well this version at least) disappeared at the start of the New 52, and as other people noted his new Earth 2 version was gay (which, as noted, caused a stir). Then that book got canned and I don't think Alan Scott really showed up anywhere for a long time. Then his Earth 1 self was in a Valentine's Day anthology a few years ago where they dropped a hint about him being closeted when visiting an old war buddy and everyone was like "oh snap, are they gonna?" And now he's back in the universe and well, here we are. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Mar 4, 2021 |
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Mar 4, 2021 07:25
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Skwirl posted:Wait, people were buying every copy to make sure no one read them? Yeah, that's how you teach DC not to publish a second printing of something, buy every copy. Non comic people don't know these things. The same thing happened when young Iceman came out. I was not working the day it hit the news and when I got in on that Friday all the remaining copies had been stolen.
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Mar 4, 2021 07:28
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I'm pretty sure this was so much the case that SOMETHING along those lines was in the big DC Encyclopedia I had in high school. Probably false memory, though. A good rendition here, though.
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Mar 4, 2021 07:39
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IIRC the logic behind turning Alan Scott gay was to "make up for" wiping his gay son from continuity with yet another reboot.
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Mar 4, 2021 10:57
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I thought it was super sweet, and having Obsidian help his dad cut through the noise was very touching, as was tying it to the whole Green Lantern "overcoming fear" shtick.
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Mar 4, 2021 11:14
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That just seemed so natural. Some of the characters they've had come out it seemed, I don't want to say forced, but it just seemed to flow wrong. Iceman stood out to me the way they handled it. This seemed perfectly in line with what we see and encounter every day. An old guy from a time where that lifestyle was demonized and even some of the people who were gay thought they were abominations etc... This was heartwarming.
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Mar 4, 2021 14:39
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Comfortador posted:That just seemed so natural. Some of the characters they've had come out it seemed, I don't want to say forced, but it just seemed to flow wrong. Iceman stood out to me the way they handled it. This seemed perfectly in line with what we see and encounter every day. An old guy from a time where that lifestyle was demonized and even some of the people who were gay thought they were abominations etc... This was heartwarming. Yeah, I think later writers handled it a lot better and I like Iceman being gay, and, while it almost certainly wasn't the intention of previous writers and artists, there's a lot of old stuff with Iceman that you can point to as hinting at it, but Bendis really, really loving whiffed it with the revelation. I think part of the issue was dealing with the time displaced X-Men in general and trying to both make them teenagers from the 60's like they originally were and teenagers from the 90s like the ever shifting timeline of Marvel forced them to be. Although now a 16 year old Iceman would have been 16 in like the early 2000s, unless Xavier was openly homophobic I can't imagine him not coming out on his own while at his hosed up high school with 5 students.
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Mar 4, 2021 15:18
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, I think later writers handled it a lot better and I like Iceman being gay, and, while it almost certainly wasn't the intention of previous writers and artists, there's a lot of old stuff with Iceman that you can point to as hinting at it, but Bendis really, really loving whiffed it with the revelation. The Cerebro podcast has a lot of good discussion about this in their Iceman episode. They come to the conclusion that it made a lot of sense for Iceman being gay after all and it wasn't that well "revealed" but on the other hand, only a big writer like Bendis could get away with doing that and not having it retconned.
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Mar 4, 2021 16:24
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Also, did Obsidian's costume always look that much like Mr Miracle?
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Mar 4, 2021 16:26
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Gaz-L posted:Also, did Obsidian's costume always look that much like Mr Miracle? Pretty much.
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Mar 4, 2021 16:28
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, I think later writers handled it a lot better and I like Iceman being gay, and, while it almost certainly wasn't the intention of previous writers and artists, there's a lot of old stuff with Iceman that you can point to as hinting at it, but Bendis really, really loving whiffed it with the revelation. This is SPOT on. I've been a fan of Iceman's since I began collecting comics (I actually have a soft spot for the original 5 in general) and the way they tied it in to all his miscellaneous women problems was masterful, and it seamlessly fit right into the characterization. Then there was that little back and forth with his former self where adult Iceman acted like none of what younger Iceman said was anything rational and that just... sucked. It seemed so ham-handed. It's been awhile since I read it in defense, but it just stuck out to me as dumb.
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Mar 4, 2021 17:44
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On the JSA thing: I also really like the idea of Wildcat and GL at a bar in the 40s, and Ted failing to be restrained from kicking some bigots' asses for calling Alan the F word.
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Mar 4, 2021 18:13
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Yeah I didn't mean to sound dismissive, those panels are great.
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Mar 4, 2021 18:20
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Gaz-L posted:On the JSA thing: I also really like the idea of Wildcat and GL at a bar in the 40s, and Ted failing to be restrained from kicking some bigots' asses for calling Alan the F word. Depending on the bar and how far into the 40s they are, dear Ted might be jumping the gun here. While it was one of the most common terms for straight people to refer to gay men in the first half of the 20th century (often value neutral), it was also very very broadly adopted, often admiringly, by gay men themselves. It had a rather different connotation in the 40s than it does today (I'm teaching queer amlit this semester and just covered this exact issue-- it can be quite shocking for students in 2021 to encounter pre-WWII texts in which it's thrown around liberally, even lovingly!) Check out George Chauncey's magisterial Gay New York for more info!
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Mar 4, 2021 18:26
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How Wonderful! posted:Depending on the bar and how far into the 40s they are, dear Ted might be jumping the gun here. While it was one of the most common terms for straight people to refer to gay men in the first half of the 20th century (often value neutral), it was also very very broadly adopted, often admiringly, by gay men themselves. It had a rather different connotation in the 40s than it does today (I'm teaching queer amlit this semester and just covered this exact issue-- it can be quite shocking for students in 2021 to encounter pre-WWII texts in which it's thrown around liberally, even lovingly!) Thanks! That's actually pretty interesting, I figured that might not have been the right touchstone for a slur for the time period, but these things are always more complex than you think! Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Mar 4, 2021 |
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Mar 4, 2021 18:43
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How Wonderful! posted:Depending on the bar and how far into the 40s they are, dear Ted might be jumping the gun here. While it was one of the most common terms for straight people to refer to gay men in the first half of the 20th century (often value neutral), it was also very very broadly adopted, often admiringly, by gay men themselves. It had a rather different connotation in the 40s than it does today (I'm teaching queer amlit this semester and just covered this exact issue-- it can be quite shocking for students in 2021 to encounter pre-WWII texts in which it's thrown around liberally, even lovingly!) On the other hand WILDCAT BABY YEEEEEEEEEHAW
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Mar 4, 2021 23:34
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That was my main point, yes. Give us Ted Grant beating up homophobes, coward Tynion!
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Mar 4, 2021 23:36
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Alan isn't even a real Green Lantern, he's a fake, what is he going on about having no fear?
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Mar 5, 2021 00:30
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so after the success of the first Tim Burton Batman film there was a relatively short lived newspaper comic based on it, the final storyline in it involving Two-Face and Mad Hatter is quite thread relevant;              courtesy of http://strippersguide.blogspot.com/2008/09/obscurity-of-day-batman.html
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Mar 7, 2021 11:44
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Wow, William Messner-Loebs, Carmine Infantino, and John Nyberg? That's a dream team. Thanks for sharing that, I'd never even heard of the strip. Apparently it was drawn by Marshall Rogers for a bit? That's awesome. drat, actually, this would be a really great fit for the comic strip megathread. Lemme do some poking around.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:22
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... yeah, this is so obviously written by Bill Loebs.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:34
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God the Arkham staff are just the WORST.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:39
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Push El Burrito posted:God the Arkham staff are just the WORST. Do you have any idea what the turnover at Arkham is like? They can't keep anybody more than two months because they keep getting killed by the inmates in breakouts.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:41
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Ok, I'm adding this strip into my Comic Strip thread rotation for a little trial run. If you want to follow along I'm starting here.
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Mar 7, 2021 17:42
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Infinitum posted:I don't know the character well, but was this a natural character moment for them? Cause it feels like it was. I remember being bothered by it the first time around. I felt it was handled very poorly. They made a really big deal about one of the BIG THREE was coming out as gay, and most people just assumed Wonder Woman and left it at that. Then it happens and it was Green Lantern, not usually who I think of as in the big three, and not regular GL it was the nonstandard old timey magic one I really liked. Doing this kinda got rid of the original characters son, another character i liked, who was already gay. Then in the first issue he gets engaged and they kill of his fiancee in a train wreck, and as far as I remember, him being gay never really came up again until the fiancee came back as some kinda elemental ghost. Like why even bother? I'd rather just have a new gay ( regular person gay, not sitcom gay) green lantern, and push the old ones into the background for a good while.
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Mar 8, 2021 00:10
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I'm still convinced that WB want to be able to have their cake and eat it with Wonder Woman. Sure, you can have little references here and there to her being queer, but the idea of her having a female (or NB) love interest in the present day? LOL, nope (I realise G Willow Wilson tried to do this in her run, but Atlantiades' affections for Diana were almost entirely presented as unrequited and there was way more about Diana and Steve). Come on, let her and Etta hit a lesbian bar in DC or something.
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