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Nahxela posted:From Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1, if I recall correctly.
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Oh my god. Why do I keep reading this thread, knowing the poo poo that's posted in here. I'm all verklempt...
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Nahxela posted:From Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1, if I recall correctly. Peter David is a drat good author who doesn't get the recognition he deserves. A lot of his stuff is really silly (which is probably why) but now and then he nails human emotion perfectly.
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Apr 15, 2012 08:20
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The death of Johnny Storm was a real emotional punch, but I always though Hickman really knocked it out the next issue, showing the FF's various grieving processes. For example, sometimes you just gotta hit something, and nobody knows that better than Banner and Thor.     I think the best part is Hulk stopping Thor and then seeing that Ben isn't even doing that much damage before he just collapses. Fantastic Four #588
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TwoPair posted:[Images removed for length.] I love it when they write Thor as a big, strong motherfucker who's incredibly compassionate. You don't want to turn him into a touchy-feely hippie, but he can be such an incredible symbol of sad strength. Even Hulk is doing the big, strong, silent, sympathetic thing in that sequence, and it's fantastic. Not even wildly out of character for the Hulk, even.  Mister Roboto posted:Peter David is a drat good author who doesn't get the recognition he deserves. A lot of his stuff is really silly (which is probably why) but now and then he nails human emotion perfectly. People see Peter David having fun with puns and forget that he wrote incredible stuff like "The Death of Jean DeWolff", which still makes me sad when I think about it. The guy's got talent, and he's gotten a lot of people having lovely attitudes toward him just because he was originally in the sales department. prefect fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Apr 15, 2012 |
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Apr 15, 2012 13:11
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prefect posted:People see Peter David having fun with puns and forget that he wrote incredible stuff like "The Death of Jean DeWolff", which still makes me sad when I think about it. The guy's got talent, and he's gotten a lot of people having lovely attitudes toward him just because he was originally in the sales department. I knew pretty much the entire plot beat for beat (including who died) when I went in to read the Death of Jean Dewolff, and I was still on the edge of my seat and taken in by the mystery and genuinely worried for the characters. It's a really great story, and full of amazing character moments. Having said that, Peter David's written some lovely things since then, including that godawful run on Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-man not so long ago. X-factor is usually a good read, but I don't think it's for everyone, and it has its lousy moments. I'm not saying Peter David went all Frank Miller or anything, but I can't blame anyone who doesn't care about him nowadays.
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Apr 15, 2012 14:15
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TwoPair posted:
That's some good male-bonding support, superhero style. If I were bigger and tougher, that's totally what I'd do to help a friend who needed to let it all out: Do it, I can take it.
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Apr 15, 2012 16:12
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I'm pretty sure Ben Grimm is one of the very best and one of the very best used characters in comics. That scene is a real tearjerker.
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Apr 15, 2012 22:01
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Mister Roboto posted:That's some good male-bonding support, superhero style. If I were bigger and tougher, that's totally what I'd do to help a friend who needed to let it all out: Do it, I can take it. That whole issue was great with minimal dialogue. It also ended with Pete talking to Franklin and it is really awesome.
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Apr 15, 2012 23:01
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TwoPair posted:The death of Johnny Storm was a real emotional punch, but I always though Hickman really knocked it out the next issue, showing the FF's various grieving processes. For example, sometimes you just gotta hit something, and nobody knows that better than Banner and Thor. The little blue Johnny Storm is a model of his memorial. I didn't realize this until I read through the script (posted in the TPB), but throughout all the issue Thing never looks straight at Johnny's memorial or the casket. He's just growing super mad over three-ish weeks and gets to finally let it all out on Hulk. Great scene.
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Or is it Sputnik posted:The little blue Johnny Storm is a model of his memorial. I didn't realize this until I read through the script (posted in the TPB), but throughout all the issue Thing never looks straight at Johnny's memorial or the casket. He's just growing super mad over three-ish weeks and gets to finally let it all out on Hulk. Great scene. He also feels that it is all his fault as he was not able to help due to being human at the time. In an earlier issue he took a potion that made him human for a week. During that week he had a great time walking without being starred at, going to a ball game, playing poker with his friends, and seeing Alicia. However then they were attacked by the negative zone while he was still human. He became the thing again right as Johnny closed the portal.
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Apr 16, 2012 07:44
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Nahxela posted:From Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man Annual #1, if I recall correctly. The art for this is beautiful, and the fact ther there are no less than three different styles on display that each support their own bit of the narritive is what knocks it out of the park for me.
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Apr 16, 2012 08:07
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Nevvy Z posted:I'm pretty sure Ben Grimm is one of the very best and one of the very best used characters in comics. That scene is a real tearjerker. He really is. It's so easy to gently caress up 'man or monster' concepts but somehow Ben is constantly done as a phenomenal character. Hulk's been hosed up a lot but that scene really was perfect for a character like that, he's been through it all, he knows exactly what it's like to have all that rage you have no clue what to do with, so he just lets pretty much the only dude in the Marvel universe who gets it do what he needs because he can handle it. Really that whole arc was a wonderful handling of the concept. Also yea, Spider-Man Annual's thing will always be one of the most iconic tearjerker moments to a lot of comic fans. I also dig the Batman posted from the new issue, I always love when Bruce explains his deal. I always thought it was super easy for Superman and Wonder Woman and the like to say 'don't kill' because they quite literally are 'above it', they might as well be straight up gods compared to the normal person, and they fight giant alien computers and satan and poo poo. Batman's a normal guy who spends most of his time fighting mafia and serial killers and all with only a lovely bat costume and fancy boomerangs. When that dude says 'no, seriously, no killing' it means a lot more.
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Glitterbomber posted:When that dude says 'no, seriously, no killing' it means a lot more.
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Apr 16, 2012 20:07
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Colon V posted:You can't be brave when you're invincible.
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Glitterbomber posted:He really is. It's so easy to gently caress up 'man or monster' concepts but somehow Ben is constantly done as a phenomenal character. I think what makes it even better is how 99% of the time, Hulk and Thing hate each other.
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Gavok posted:I think what makes it even better is how 99% of the time, Hulk and Thing hate each other. I always viewed that antagonism as pretty one-sided. Sure, Joe Fixit was a dick to Thing, but he's a dick to everyone. The rest of the time Thing just takes out his insecurities on Hulk with little provocation.
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Flater posted:Keep it on the downlow but the mind is a thing that can be hurt. It comes down to "never given an order you wouldn't carry out yourself", and in this case, that order is 'don't kill someone who could very possibly kill you'. Big Blue is physically incapable of carrying out that order, so it doesn't sit well. It's like a 16-year old upper-middle class teenager telling someone living on the street "don't steal, you can survive without it", versus a drifter who's never lived under a roof in his life telling you it. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Apr 17, 2012 |
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If you don't think Superman is as mortal (and moral) as the next man, you don't have the slightest grip on the character, and seriously -- physically incapable? Are you saying that Superman literally can't kill or that Superman never faces down threats from beings that could kill him? Because neither is true.
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I think they are saying that Superman doesn't need to kill most baddies because most baddies aren't a realistic threat to him. Whereas Batman would be a lot better off just killing the Joker. This isn't entirely true I don't think, but there it is.
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I think that's really loving underselling Superman.
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Nevvy Z posted:I think they are saying that Superman doesn't need to kill most baddies because most baddies aren't a realistic threat to him. Whereas Batman would be a lot better off just killing the Joker.
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The current goings on in Fantastic Four reminded me of Marvel Adventures Fantastic Four #48, the final issue of the series. It starts off with Galactus at the end of time with some monitors showing his first battles with the Fantastic Four while it regularly cuts to the team acting like a family together. Future Galactus calls to them and requests their help, which they grant. The universe is about to end and it's his job to move on to the next big bang. Unfortunately, there are some immortal cosmic beings out there to stop him. Galactus needs the Fantastic Four to take them out so he can continue on. Being that these guys are cosmic level, they ultimately overpower the team and they retreat back to Galactus' lair. The villains follow, showing that the Fantastic Four have utterly failed.    Some of the panels are too cheesy, but I always loved the idea that looking back at billions of years of existence, Galactus most fondly thinks about these four guys.
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Get your hands on a magical knife and Supes is just as mortal as Batman, and there's no shortage of magical poo poo in the DCU to use against him.
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Please stop this argument about how invincible/moral Superman is.Gavok posted:The current goings on in Fantastic Four reminded me of Marvel Adventures Fantastic Four #48, the final issue of the series. It starts off with Galactus at the end of time with some monitors showing his first battles with the Fantastic Four while it regularly cuts to the team acting like a family together. Future Galactus calls to them and requests their help, which they grant. The universe is about to end and it's his job to move on to the next big bang. Unfortunately, there are some immortal cosmic beings out there to stop him. Galactus needs the Fantastic Four to take them out so he can continue on. D'awww.
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Similar to that, Galactus learns something new about his future and reveals something he's always dreaded in FF#16   I find it very heartwarming, and I love that last line.
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Lurdiak posted:Please stop this argument about how invincible/moral Superman is. While JMS' Supes run before the reboot was pretty terrible, Chris Roberson (who took over the book after JMS was kicked off it) managed to save it by making it about Supes dealing with depression. There's some great panels in there where Clark's friends and family meet up with him and let him know how much they care about him. There's a great 'first meeting' story with Bruce and Clark pre-costume defending Xanadu (I think) from Savage. I don't have it on hand, but if anyone could post some from Roberson's run I'd appreciate it.
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Jerusalem posted:Similar to that, Galactus learns something new about his future and reveals something he's always dreaded in FF#16 Hickman has officially surpassed Mark Waid as my favorite F4 author. I'm so bummed that he'll be leaving the books.
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Jerusalem posted:Similar to that, Galactus learns something new about his future and reveals something he's always dreaded in FF#16 What makes this for me is that Franklin refers to him as Galen and not just Galactus. That last panel reminds me of Fantastic Four: The End, which isn't quite worth digging the panels out for, but it's still a great moment. There's this big space armada out to attack Earth and while the Avengers are more than ready to fight, Uatu the Watcher seeks out Galactus and tells him that Earth's in trouble. Galactus asks why this concerns him, since he couldn't care less about Earth or its people. Uatu slyly brings up that these people were able to fight him off and spared him years ago. They could have killed him and yet they didn't. Later on, Galactus shows up to ward off the alien invasion. After he's gone, the heroes discuss why he did that. "Maybe... maybe he actually likes us?" "Yeah, as appetizers."
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When did the whole Galactus' real name of Galen come about? Aslo, did anhyone else get a sort of Destruction vibe between Franklin's look and art/message of those panels?
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I think Galactus was like an alien scientist or somesuch in an expired universe and was chosen somehow to become "the Galactus".
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In the universe before the current marvel one Galen was a scientist who realized all existence was going to stop and superman'd himself into the center of the big crunch. When our universe formed, there was Galen, empowered to be Galactus.
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TwoPair posted:The death of Johnny Storm was a real emotional punch, but I always though Hickman really knocked it out the next issue, showing the FF's various grieving processes. For example, sometimes you just gotta hit something, and nobody knows that better than Banner and Thor. everything about that artwork is gorgeous. Who drew this? I'd kill for the originals.
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I just read this entire thread from start and have to say- you all are dicks for making me cry like a little girl. Also, some of my favorite touching panels are from The Dark Knight Returns- two come to mind (My scanner is broken, but if someone has them to post, they would be Ballers to do so) One is where Supes is thinking about having to take down Bats and says, "We must not remind them giants walk the Earth." That was always a line that got me, and actually made me kinda like Superman, something I generally don't do. The Next is where Batman saves Carrie Kelley from falling from the Bat Glider. He points out she doesn't scream, just reaches for him. After pulling her up he simply whispers "Good Soldier", but it is a moment where you can tell Batman loves Robin, no matter the incarnation.
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Rough Lobster posted:I think Galactus was like an alien scientist or somesuch in an expired universe and was chosen somehow to become "the Galactus". And his name was generally spelled "Galan". I'm not sure when it got turned into "Galen".
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It is probably an editorial mistake. His name is listed as Galan of Taa on the official Marvel Wiki. I kind of miss the big G's ship. It always spoke to the melancholy nature of the character that his worldship was called the "Taa 2".
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Lofidelity Media posted:I kind of miss the big G's ship. It always spoke to the melancholy nature of the character that his worldship was called the "Taa 2".
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Lofidelity Media posted:I kind of miss the big G's ship. It always spoke to the melancholy nature of the character that his worldship was called the "Taa 2". It's in Hickman's run.
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prefect posted:And his name was generally spelled "Galan". I'm not sure when it got turned into "Galen". It's probably one of those things where comic stuff gets muddled once or twice and they have to bullshit something up because nerds care about canon. Like how Dr. Banner(The Hulk)'s full name is Robert Bruce Banner because Lee hosed up his name in an early issue and called him "Bob".
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