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ASSTASTIC
Apr 27, 2003

Hey Gusy!
gently caress. I have a xpro2 and I'm kind of disappointed in that screen. Only thing I'd want is a little better video performance out of the xpro line. That's it. Nothing even remotely near Sony, but just a little bit better.

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SMERSH Mouth
Jun 25, 2005

Yeah that limited flip out angle really telegraphs a 'not intended for video' vibe, although it could still be semi-useful for that purpose since it's a touchscreen.

sildargod
Oct 25, 2010
well, someone hosed up and listed a used xf100-400 for about $850 at my local camera store. I snatched it up and was then informed by the staff that it was actually supposed to be listed at $1300, but because I'm a loyal customer they'll honour it. Glass is immaculate, but there's no box, as though that would make me reconsider.

It looks hilarious perched on an x-t30 and holy god that reach is amazing.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

sildargod posted:

well, someone hosed up and listed a used xf100-400 for about $850 at my local camera store. I snatched it up and was then informed by the staff that it was actually supposed to be listed at $1300, but because I'm a loyal customer they'll honour it. Glass is immaculate, but there's no box, as though that would make me reconsider.

It looks hilarious perched on an x-t30 and holy god that reach is amazing.

Post some lens porn and shoot some planes.

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

tino posted:

Post some lens porn and shoot some planes.

Moonpr0n, please.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I picked up a Rokinon 135mm F/2 and used it to shoot nebula/galaxies. Haven't processed the photos yet but I'm stoked. Can't imagine with that nice of a lens!

sildargod
Oct 25, 2010

tino posted:

Post some lens porn and shoot some planes.

Will do! Quite close to a military airbase, so hopefully I'll get a few passing jets at some point soon.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



16-80 is out, is F/4 really going to be noticeably different from the F/2.8? Feels like that’s a lot of light not to let in on the short end. Then again, this is a constant aperture.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Not really but depends on your use case. Losing a stop for that much reach is pretty good in terms of a trade off. It’s a great landscape lens.

Twenty-Seven
Jul 6, 2008

I'm so tired
i want an x mount ultra wide and/or fisheye and i don't want to spend a lot of money because it's for goofin around (unlike the rest of my expert, professional, and artistically significant photography)

does anyone have any experience with / opinions on the following, or any alternatives?

$132 7artisans 7.5mm F2.8 APS-C Fisheye
$150 Voking 8mm f/3.5 Ultra Wide Angle Manual Focus Rectangle Fisheye Lens
$165 Meike 8mm f/3.5 Fisheye Lens

rokinon/samyang has a 8mm f/2.8 fisheye but for some reason it's around twice as much as these other ones at 270 which is more than i'm interested in spending for goofin around. the 7artisans seems like the obvious choice both for being cheapest and fastest.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
Anyone have a G9? Is the HDMI output super flaky? Mine works for some monitors but not others. And sometimes it’s iffy if the working ones will continue to work.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Anybody else with a Fuji having problems with the Camera Connect app on iOS 13? I wasn’t able to get it connected yesterday and the only thing that changed versus when it worked was updating to 13.1.

The Lone Lemon
Mar 22, 2006
...rides again

harperdc posted:

Anybody else with a Fuji having problems with the Camera Connect app on iOS 13? I wasn’t able to get it connected yesterday and the only thing that changed versus when it worked was updating to 13.1.

I find the Camera Connect app to be super flaky across the board. Android only experience here, but issues are across several phones and tablets and several cameras. The Bluetooth connect part works about 80% of the time in the cameras that have that feature, but the wireless connect, initiated independently or via the Bluetooth link fails about 80% of the time (doesn't connect, is painfully slow, drops connection, etc.).

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

The Fuji app is hilariously ramshackle across all platforms and is like the one major blemish on their camera front, imo

Sneeze Party
Apr 26, 2002

These are, by far, the most brilliant photographs that I have ever seen, and you are a GOD AMONG MEN.
Toilet Rascal
The only thing I dislike about my XT-3 is the loving app. I don't even do wireless image transfer anymore because it's such a dumpster fire of a process. USB-C transfer works flawlessly outside of the Fuji app.

Hello Spaceman
Jan 18, 2005

hop, skip, and jumpgate
The pre-redesign Fuji app was loving awful. Then the redesign landed and it was the first time it came close to an Apple-like experience of just working. Pairing was easy and transfers were fast.

There was a recent update that broke something in the transfer protocol, though. It now only transfers files via Bluetooth instead of switching over to WiFi on my X-H1. So it's back to only using it in a bind, and relying on a card reader instead.

ianskate
Sep 22, 2002

Run away before you drown!
It was definitely terrible at first, though now that it's less terrible with the redesign, it's still unreliable at best. I ended up buying one of these Anker micro card readers for the few times I've had to transfer to my phone or other usb-c devices on the go, and the app was just becoming an irritant. So it's worked out really well and clearly the most portable reader I could find, and a great alternative solution to Fuji's flaws.

Ethereal
Mar 8, 2003
I highly recommend the Cascable app instead of the fuji one.

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

Hopefully this is the right place to ask: I'm looking to get a mirrorless camera in the next couple months. My budget is around $2000 and I'm leaning towards a Sony A7 III. I'm not an expert photographer but I have taken some classes and my job occasionally involves buying and using DSLRs for digitization (I work in a library). So I have some idea what I'm doing, but really I'm looking for a camera I can really learn with and have for a long time, preferably one that shoots decent video too. The reviews I've seen of the A7 III seem pretty positive, and I like that I have some flexibility with lens mount adapters. Are there other comparable models from other manufacturers I should be looking at? And are there regular release schedules I should know about? I'd hate to drop 2k on a camera right before a new model at the same price comes out (or right before the III drops in price).

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

Cognac McCarthy posted:

Hopefully this is the right place to ask: I'm looking to get a mirrorless camera in the next couple months. My budget is around $2000 and I'm leaning towards a Sony A7 III. I'm not an expert photographer but I have taken some classes and my job occasionally involves buying and using DSLRs for digitization (I work in a library). So I have some idea what I'm doing, but really I'm looking for a camera I can really learn with and have for a long time, preferably one that shoots decent video too. The reviews I've seen of the A7 III seem pretty positive, and I like that I have some flexibility with lens mount adapters. Are there other comparable models from other manufacturers I should be looking at? And are there regular release schedules I should know about? I'd hate to drop 2k on a camera right before a new model at the same price comes out (or right before the III drops in price).

First off: Buy Used. Seriously. Especially if you're just starting out. I've been shooting for 30 years and I still buy used whenever possible. Adorama, B&H and KEH all have really good used departments. The only reason to buy new is if you're a pro, and it's just part of your working budget, or if you really like plastic bags and silica gel packets.

Here's the broad view:

Want full-frame, get Sony. Want the best video, get Panasonic. Want the best build quality and glass for a semi-reasonable price, get Fuji.

There are plenty of adapters for all of the mounts. I have 3 different adapters so I can use older SLR lenses on my Fujis.

The Sony is a great camera, but it's overkill for a beginner. Also, the lenses are quite expensive. So maybe that's not for you. If you must by a Sony, then by an A7 or A7R. You can pick both of those bodies for well under $1K used. That will leave you more money for lenses.

Personally, for a beginner to intermediate shooter, I would recommend getting yourself a used Fuji X-T1 or X-T2, with the 18-55 2.8-3.5 kit lens, then picking up a couple of the F2 prime lenses. You should be able to get all of that for under $2000 and have plenty of change left over. Failing that, perhaps Panasonic Lumix G7, which is a great, and incredibly cheap (even new) camera that shoots good 4K video. Micro 4/3 lenses tend to be cheaper because they're made of plastic and papier-mache, but they take nice photos and excellent video.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Get an X-H1 and like a 18-55; use the rest of that money on like other lenses or a Capture One Pro license.

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




skip all the lens hub bub and get a Fuji X100F

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

XBenedict posted:

First off: Buy Used. Seriously. Especially if you're just starting out. I've been shooting for 30 years and I still buy used whenever possible. Adorama, B&H and KEH all have really good used departments. The only reason to buy new is if you're a pro, and it's just part of your working budget, or if you really like plastic bags and silica gel packets.

Here's the broad view:

Want full-frame, get Sony. Want the best video, get Panasonic. Want the best build quality and glass for a semi-reasonable price, get Fuji.

There are plenty of adapters for all of the mounts. I have 3 different adapters so I can use older SLR lenses on my Fujis.

The Sony is a great camera, but it's overkill for a beginner. Also, the lenses are quite expensive. So maybe that's not for you. If you must by a Sony, then by an A7 or A7R. You can pick both of those bodies for well under $1K used. That will leave you more money for lenses.

Personally, for a beginner to intermediate shooter, I would recommend getting yourself a used Fuji X-T1 or X-T2, with the 18-55 2.8-3.5 kit lens, then picking up a couple of the F2 prime lenses. You should be able to get all of that for under $2000 and have plenty of change left over. Failing that, perhaps Panasonic Lumix G7, which is a great, and incredibly cheap (even new) camera that shoots good 4K video. Micro 4/3 lenses tend to be cheaper because they're made of plastic and papier-mache, but they take nice photos and excellent video.
This is really helpful, thank you! I had jumped to the Sony because it's full frame and I'm looking for a DSLR-equivalent I suppose. I've shot on a D40 for years, which takes beautiful photos (for a beginner anyway) but the images are simply too small for general use at this point.

It looks like the X-T2 has pretty good dynamic range for a non-full frame, however. This is a stupid question but are lenses specced for use with specific frame sizes? I have a couple ok Nikpm lenses and my dad, who is a more serious photographer, also has Nikon lenses that I'll probably get at some point. But beyond cropping, is there anything I need to know about adapting these lenses? Or maybe it'd be better to just get the right lenses for the camera.

In any case, I hadn't really thought about going used. I'm actually not allowed to get used equipment for work since I work for a public institution. There's a local camera vendor I wanted to buy from, and they sell used X-T2 bodies for about $800, which is very affordable and would give me a lot of room for lenses and such.

Edit:

holocaust bloopers posted:

Get an X-H1 and like a 18-55; use the rest of that money on like other lenses or a Capture One Pro license.

I have a CC license (that I can use for personal things at home) through work, and am pretty comfortable with Lightroom/Darktable, so I don't think Capture One would be worth the difference, probably.

Cognac McCarthy fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Sep 30, 2019

Trevor Hale
Dec 8, 2008

What have I become, my Swedish friend?

Photex posted:

skip all the lens hub bub and get a Fuji X100F

It’s what I did. I do not regret it at all.

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

Cognac McCarthy posted:

This is really helpful, thank you! I had jumped to the Sony because it's full frame and I'm looking for a DSLR-equivalent I suppose. I've shot on a D40 for years, which takes beautiful photos (for a beginner anyway) but the images are simply too small for general use at this point.

For the record, the Nikon D40 is not a full-frame camera. It is an APS-C crop sensor, same as the Fuji.

Edit:

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It looks like the X-T2 has pretty good dynamic range for a non-full frame, however. This is a stupid question but are lenses specced for use with specific frame sizes? I have a couple ok Nikpm lenses and my dad, who is a more serious photographer, also has Nikon lenses that I'll probably get at some point. But beyond cropping, is there anything I need to know about adapting these lenses? Or maybe it'd be better to just get the right lenses for the camera.

You can put your Nikon DX lenses on a Fuji by use of an adapter, but only for manual focus use. They aren't terribly expensive. There won't be additional cropping on a Fuji. There would be on a Micro 4/3 camera like a Panasonic or Olympus.

XBenedict fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 30, 2019

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

XBenedict posted:

For the record, the Nikon D40 is not a full-frame camera. It is an APS-C crop sensor, same as the Fuji.

Derp. I guess because all the cameras I buy and use for work are full frame, I assumed my old camera was too. That's helpful as a frame of reference.

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




Trevor Hale posted:

It’s what I did. I do not regret it at all.

I got a like new x100s for about $450 and if it was stolen tomorrow I'd drop $1000 on the 100F. There is something so enjoyable about the form factor

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

I don't regret upgrading to the X-T3 but I still dearly miss my X100F, it had an amazing get up and go aspect to it.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

I had a Fuji X100S and liked it so much I upgraded to the X100F. My "main" camera is a D750, but the X100F feels fun, for lack of a more concrete term, and it's the one I always bring with me on a trip instead of hauling a bag full of gear. The 35mm eFOV has really grown on me, and I've finally developed an eye for preframing with it, before I've even raised my camera.

Dia de Pikachutos
Nov 8, 2012

XBenedict posted:

The Sony is a great camera, but it's overkill for a beginner. Also, the lenses are quite expensive. So maybe that's not for you. If you must by a Sony, then by an A7 or A7R. You can pick both of those bodies for well under $1K used. That will leave you more money for lenses.

Just to chime in here, if you plan on using a lot of adapted manual-focus lenses then get the A7ii over the A7, which has a lovely plastic-backed mount that flexes all over the place and has a good deal of play. The mount on my A7ii is dramatically better than my A7's, and the IBIS is loving magical.

Ethics_Gradient
May 5, 2015

Common misconception that; that fun is relaxing. If it is, you're not doing it right.

spongepuppy posted:

Just to chime in here, if you plan on using a lot of adapted manual-focus lenses then get the A7ii over the A7, which has a lovely plastic-backed mount that flexes all over the place and has a good deal of play. The mount on my A7ii is dramatically better than my A7's, and the IBIS is loving magical.

Can't say I've ever noticed anything with the mount on my A7, but yeah, the A7ii is a decent bump up in terms of specs.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe
Spend 1/3 of your budget on body and the rest on lens.

Dia de Pikachutos
Nov 8, 2012

Ethics_Gradient posted:

Can't say I've ever noticed anything with the mount on my A7, but yeah, the A7ii is a decent bump up in terms of specs.

Its more of an issue with longer and heavier lenses, or lenses with stiffer focus rings admittedly.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


My X-H1 kit finally arrived! No real time to play with it yet, but first impression is holy crap the 16-55 is a hunk of glass, and my limp m4/3 wrists are going to get a workout hefting the whole thing around! Unfortunately the setup doesn't quite fit in my camera bag, but I should be able to dual purpose my work bag if I take the laptop out (which I bought with this in mind). People moan about the fuji menu system, but it all seems pretty simple and logically layed out, and not dissimilar to the panasonic menu, so I don't really see the fuss there. The quick menu is kind of obtuse, tbh, but I think it's one of those things you get used to with familiarity.
Anyway the whole setup feels pretty pro-tier and I'm pretty sure now I will take all the best photos and national geographic will erect a statue in my honour and y'all can take all the credit and say "we're the ones who wouldn't shut up about fuji and that's why he's sooooo good". Look forward to taking it out this weekend to take bad pictures of my ugly city!

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.

Finger Prince posted:

My X-H1 kit finally arrived! No real time to play with it yet, but first impression is holy crap the 16-55 is a hunk of glass, and my limp m4/3 wrists are going to get a workout hefting the whole thing around! Unfortunately the setup doesn't quite fit in my camera bag, but I should be able to dual purpose my work bag if I take the laptop out (which I bought with this in mind). People moan about the fuji menu system, but it all seems pretty simple and logically layed out, and not dissimilar to the panasonic menu, so I don't really see the fuss there. The quick menu is kind of obtuse, tbh, but I think it's one of those things you get used to with familiarity.
Anyway the whole setup feels pretty pro-tier and I'm pretty sure now I will take all the best photos and national geographic will erect a statue in my honour and y'all can take all the credit and say "we're the ones who wouldn't shut up about fuji and that's why he's sooooo good". Look forward to taking it out this weekend to take bad pictures of my ugly city!

The Fuji menu system is good and logical. Nothing can be as bad as the Olympus menu system, imho. And the Q menu is essential once you get used to using it.

Easychair Bootson
May 7, 2004

Where's the last guy?
Ultimo hombre.
Last man standing.
Must've been one.

Cognac McCarthy posted:

Hopefully this is the right place to ask: I'm looking to get a mirrorless camera in the next couple months. My budget is around $2000 and I'm leaning towards a Sony A7 III. I'm not an expert photographer but I have taken some classes and my job occasionally involves buying and using DSLRs for digitization (I work in a library). So I have some idea what I'm doing, but really I'm looking for a camera I can really learn with and have for a long time, preferably one that shoots decent video too. The reviews I've seen of the A7 III seem pretty positive, and I like that I have some flexibility with lens mount adapters. Are there other comparable models from other manufacturers I should be looking at? And are there regular release schedules I should know about? I'd hate to drop 2k on a camera right before a new model at the same price comes out (or right before the III drops in price).

The "buy used" advice is generally correct but camera manufacturers do love to offer deals on a body and one or two lenses. And yeah, spend less than half of your total budget on the body, because you're going to need glass and some accoutrements.

I would generally not recommend buying the latest version of a high-end camera, unless there is some feature that you just can't live without. The sweet spot seems to be cameras that are 1-2 years old. My favorite place to buy and sell is the Fred Miranda forum. The forums themselves are kind of dead, but the buy & sell section is very active.

I usually check camelcamelcamel to get a sense of the sales cycles and to see how low a particular lens has gotten in the past. I'm not sure how much we'll see ahead of the black Friday / cyber Monday deals.

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

I have a much better idea of what I should be looking for thanks to all the helpful replies. I'm leaning towards an X-T2 or X-T30, since everyone seems to have nice things to say about the 18-55mm kit lens which would be give me a good place to start. The local camera shop is selling a used X-T2 in great condition for about $800. I need to go check it out in person to see how the body feels in my hand and compare it to the X-T30. It seems most people are finding the X-T30 comparable or slightly better in most respects, so if I can handle the smaller body without hand cramps it may be the way to go, especially with some of the kit deals I'm seeing. Thanks everybody.

Easychair Bootson
May 7, 2004

Where's the last guy?
Ultimo hombre.
Last man standing.
Must've been one.
I just sold an X-T2 in mint condition, ~2300 shutter actuations, for I think $625 to give you a price reference. They were $800 brand new about two months ago (on sale).

I actually had an X-T30 before that. Definitely try one out. The small size makes for some interesting ergonomics. I really, really liked the ergonomics of the X-T2 in comparison.

I've never owned the 18-55mm lens but by all accounts it's a great kit lens.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Get the XT-2 and 18-55 unless you absolutely need a smaller body, in which case get the XT-20. If you’re jumping in as an amateur, spend more on the lenses than body.

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mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004
Fallen Rib
Seconding the X-T2 simply for the larger viewfinder.

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