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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

duck monster posted:

The bible actually seems to permit abortion via beating the woman, as long as the husband aproves.
I totally believe you, but I'd love to point this out to a friend. If you don't mind a quick derail - where in the Bible, exactly, is this implied?

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

VitalSigns posted:

Every socialist and communist is already dead. Every single one. :ussr: Oh, you say you know one? Then you admit you're part of the cover-up, and can't be trusted.
What about Fuhrer Obama (PBUH)?

It's a shame about Conservative's magnum opus. I was really looking forward to it.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

happyhippy posted:

The 'man was more intelligent in the past' is a general creationist argument, I have seen others say it outside of Conservapedia.

I think its more to do with how they constructed the Ark, how could a few guys a few hundred years old could make a boat bigger than what ship builders couldn't do today.

Instead of how the story is bullshit, no hey, they were SMARTER IN THE PAST!

It's also because a longing for an imagined time of past glory and a sense that the world of the modern era - whatever modern is - is somehow decrepit and degenerate is part and parcel of Conservatism. Conservatism, almost by definition, is about looking to an imagined past that never was with longing and nostalgia, rather than looking to the future with hope and ambition. Restoring lost glory, rather than forging a new one.

Like, Hell, in Aristophanes' the Clouds you literally have a huge KIDS THESE DAYS rant and him going on about how much better things were in the old days.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Cultural bolshevism was literally a term literal Nazis used to disparage things they did not like. Like, really, that's all you need to know about cultural marxism. It's a slightly reworded cultural bolshevism being used in the same capacity by slightly rebranded Nazis.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Tiberius Thyben posted:

I'm a bit wary in general of trying to frame my political opponents as fundamentally mentally ill.

I have lived and struggled with mental illness all my life. I've also studied history and, considering it's my field, I should think I know a little about it. I'm well aware of the long and sordid history of mental 'healthcare' and psychiatry being used as a cudgel against or justification for bias against people who have political, racial, social, or sexual views or identities that those in power disapprove of. It has happened in the past, and it still happens today.
I also know enough about psychology to know how difficult it is to diagnose someone properly even when you have had contact with them, let alone people you don't know that well. Plus, of course, the fact that obviously there are plenty of neurodivergent people that are wonderful human beings, and - even more obviously - many neurotypical people that are monstrous assholes with no place in a civilized society. Even those of us who don't seek to use psychiatry as a tool against our enemies have a tendency to try and pathologize bad behavior because it makes us feel better about ourselves and an imagined concept of universal human decency that sadly doesn't really exist.

That said, I also think that there is a serious case to be made that right wing authoritarianism represents some form of, if not mental illness, personality type or something - something far more fundamental and universal that a simple political ideology. But more to the point, there's pretty obviously something going on with Andy. There's being obtuse, being an rear end in a top hat, and then being Andy. The man either is genuinely delusional and doesn't realize how blatant his lies are, in which case he's clearly not engaging with reality in a meaningful sense and I think that's a safe criteria for 'this person is mentally unwell' or he's got literally no sense of shame or social awareness which also seems like a pretty good indicator for neurodivergence.

I mean, really, 'is significantly and substantially divorced from reality' seems like a pretty neutral and obvious definition for mental illness and it's also one that Andy seem to pass with flying colors. We're talking about a man who literally uses 'liberal' and 'conservative' as cyphers for 'bad' and 'good' and who literally thinks mathematics are part of some nefarious liberal plot.

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Twelve by Pies posted:

There actually a few YECs who use the "universe was created to appear old" argument. They don't see it as lying or being deceitful. They see it as a test of faith in one sense, a way to see if people will believe God's word even when it seems the world is against them. They also use the story of Adam and Eve as proof God creates things with the appearance of age, since God didn't create Adam and Eve as infants, he created them as fully grown humans.

He also created them immortal, without knowledge of good and evil, and with apparently painless childbirth for women. According to some of the Midrashim, they were also literally luminous beings - that's where the imagery in Aaronofsky's Noah is from.
The Biblical depiction of pre-Fall Adam and Eve were pretty divorced from what we understand as Human, and that's without bringing up how long people lived before the Flood and poo poo.

But, yeah. The Bible is full of God testing people and deceiving them, although usually not outright lying to them. I mean, you have Job which is an entire book of God loving with a guy to test him. If anything, God creating fossils and stars that seem to be millions or billions of light years away to gently caress with us and test our faith is MORE consistent with the Bible than it is inconsistent.

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