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That Guy From Pearldiver
Apr 18, 2001

President and Sole Member of the Andre Braugher Appreciation Society

spankmeister posted:

Now SGU is cancelled maybe we need a general Stargate thread, kinda like the Star Trek thread only less creepy.

Yehudis Basya posted:

Watch Showtime's version of the first episode to see some truly beautiful breasts. Also, I think I just made the thread creepy. Sorry!!!


For the first time in almost fourteen years there is not a Stargate movie or series currently in production. This thread was created to discuss, celebrate and look back at the franchise as a whole.


The FAQesque stuff. Source: Stargate Wiki

The Premise
Several million years ago, an ancient race of advanced humanoid beings, now known as the Ancients, created a device capable of near-instantaneous transportation across the universe by means of a subspace wormhole. This device, which has been used by countless races since its creation, has more commonly become known as a "Stargate"

Stargate: The Movie (1994)
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Main Characters:
Col. Jonathan "Jack" O'Neil (Kurt Russell)
Dr. Daniel Jackson (James Spader)
Ra (Jaye Davidson)
Catherine Langford (Viveca Lindfors)
Skaara (Alexis Cruz)
Sha'uri (Mili Avital)
Lieutenant Kawalsky (John Diehl)
Kasuf (Erick Avari)
Lieutenant Feretti (French Stewart)

Television Series
Stargate SG-1
SG-1 is a television spin-off/sequel of the Stargate movie. The two-hour pilot episode "Children of the Gods" originally aired on July 27, 1997. "Unending," the final episode of the series, aired in the UK on March 13, 2007 and in the US on June 22, 2007.

Main Characters:

Jack O'Neill "It's 'O'Neill', with two L's!" (Richard Dean Anderson) Jack, is a Lieutenant General, in the United States Air Force, who served eight years in the Stargate Program until he was transferred to The Pentagon to become the head of Homeworld Command (also called Homeworld Security). He was the original leader of SG-1 and later became the commander of Stargate Command

Samantha Carter (Amanda Tapping) Samantha Carter is an astrophysicist, engineer and pilot who was the operational leader of the Atlantis expedition for one year, after playing a key role in bringing the Stargate program into existence as a member of SG-1. Considered Earth's leading expert on the Stargate and a host of other alien technology, Jack O'Neill once emphatically proclaimed her brain to be a national resource. In 2009, Carter was made the commander of the Daedalus-class ship, George Hammond. She is a very capable officer despite her reproductive organs being on the inside.

Teal'c of Chulak [pronounced ˈtiːəlk] (Christopher Judge)also known as Teal'c of the Tau'ri is a Jaffa in the service of Stargate Command and devoted to the cause of the Jaffa Rebellion. Teal'c is a Jaffa from the planet Chulak, a planet orbiting a binary star system. He will be 162 years old in the year 2011, after aging 50 years trapped on the Odyssey. Teal'c was formerly in the service of the System Lord Apophis as his First Prime.

Doctor Daniel Jackson (Michael Shanks) An individual of great integrity, often passionately arguing against morally unsound plans. He tends to be very respectful of alien cultures, except when their culture involves immoral practices, and he often approaches the unknown with an almost childlike sense of awe. However, he seems to have a hard time accepting no-win scenarios.

George S. Hammond (Don S. Davis) Commanding Officer of Stargate Command for seven years, before becoming head of Homeworld Command.

Cameron Mitchell (Ben Browder) aka "Cam" is the current leader of SG-1 since 2005, after Lt. Colonel Samantha Carter. He was a talented United States Air Force pilot where he was given the callsign "Shaft", and once participated in the Battle of Antarctica, where he was injured. After recovering, he requested to join SG-1, only to discover the other members, Carter, Teal'c and Dr. Daniel Jackson taking different posts, but after a few months, he eventually got the team back together. For most of his time as commander of SG-1, he fought the Ori, as well as the Goa'uld, particularly Ba'al. He was recently promoted to full-bird Colonel.

Hank Landry (Beau Bridges) a Major General in the United States Air Force and the Commanding officer of Stargate Command since Major General Jack O'Neill was made head of the Office of Homeworld Security. He is also the father of Dr. Carolyn Lam. He is fond of quoting famous people from history.

Vala Mal Doran (Claudia Black) a thief and con artist, former Goa'uld host, and current member of SG-1. Vala has a tendency to lie and trick people in an attempt to get her way. This sometimes gets to the point where she assumes it is necessary when it really isn't, such as when she is required to take a psychiatric evaluation and she gives fake answers in an attempt to avoid being "tricked". (SG1: "Morpheus") Despite this fact, she has proven herself to be quite courageous and trustworthy in many circumstances, and is now a valued member of Stargate Command.

Jonas Quinn (Parker Lewis...aka Corin Nemec) a Langaran scientist and former member of SG-1.


Stargate: Atlantis
a television series spin-off from Stargate SG-1. Stargate Atlantis began airing in 2004, and concluded after five seasons. "Enemy at the Gate", the final episode of the series, aired on January 9, 2009

Main Characters:
John Sheppard (Joe Flanigan)
Doctor Rodney McKay (David Hewlett)
Teyla Emmagan (Rachel Luttrell)
Doctor Elizabeth Weir (Torri Higginson)
Doctor Carson Beckett (Paul McGillion)
Ronon Dex (Jason Momoa)
Doctor Jennifer Keller (Jewel Staite)
Aiden Ford (Rainbow Sun Francks)
Samantha Carter (Amanda Tapping)
Richard Woolsey (Robert Picardo)



Stargate: Universe
The third television series spin-off premiered on October 2, 2009. The Cancellation of the show was announced on December 16, 2010, with the final episode airing May 9, 2011.


Main Characters:
Doctor Nicholas Rush (Robert Carlyle)
Everett Young (Louis Ferreira)

Eli Wallace (David Blue) Is a goon. Can't believe that Doctor Rush has had CONTROL OF THE SHIP THIS WHOLE TIME AND DIDN"T TELL ANYONE!
Ronald Greer (Jamil Walker Smith)
Matthew Scott (Brian J. Smith)
Tamara Johansen (Alaina Huffman)

Chloe Armstrong (Elyse Levesque) Chloe is the daughter of USA Senator Alan Armstrong. She studied Political Science, Crying, and Earth history at Harvard. Chloe's time on Destiny was split between being a cocktease to Eli, Crying, Having sex with Lieutenant Scott. Being kidnapped and experimented on and having sex with the Nakai, and crying.

Execu-speak posted:

Chloe was an annoying little primadonna cow and every episode or b-plot that involved her was pure death for the show. In fact I am prepared to chalk the shows demise entirely up to Chloe.

Camile Wray (Ming-Na) She forgot the boat.

That Guy From Pearldiver fucked around with this message at Jun 7, 2011 around 20:38

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Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

For any newcomers: Stargate isn't kidding about its serialized nature. It introduces elements in early episodes that won't go away for years (for better or for worse, what's up replicators?). The continuity and attention to long term plot arcs is really wonderful in the Stargate series', and that dedication really rewards the viewers. I don't think I've ever had so much fun watching another TV show.

So, enjoy the original movie first, and then get started on SG-1 season 1! Episodes 1-3 are great. If you can make it through episode 4 ("Emancipation" aka "The Turd"), then you will be subsequently graced with the best sci fi show ever produced.

Watch Showtime's version of the first episode to see some truly beautiful breasts. Also, I think I just made the thread creepy. Sorry!!!

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



Wow 1 post in and the mongols episode is already being shat on. Emancipation is a good episode and don't you believe anyone who says otherwise.

Also yes, watch the original Showtime version of the pilot, it has been cut and recut so many times (because it had boobs) that it's probably hard to find it though. There's that edit, the cable edit, the syndication edit (SG-1 ran on Fox for a long time on weekend afternoons), the producers released yet another edit a few years ago (which omits Carter's hilariously awful reproductive organs line), and there's probably at least one more. Get the tits version if at all possible because tits aside it's longer and has more to it.

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist





You're forgetting the most important part of the franchise, Stargate Infinity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryNNqQt0Myk

That Guy From Pearldiver
Apr 18, 2001

President and Sole Member of the Andre Braugher Appreciation Society

drcru posted:

You're forgetting the most important part of the franchise, Stargate Infinity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryNNqQt0Myk

If by "important" you mean the worst thing ever in the history of things and ever. Then no. It wasn't forgotten.

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

IRQ posted:

Wow 1 post in and the mongols episode is already being shat on. Emancipation is a good episode and don't you believe anyone who says otherwise.

Well, I'm re-watching season 1 right now, and the episode is just so freshly awful! The paternalistic aspects of it and condescending tone make me cringe. It's not the last time that the airforce/US tries to change a culture in SG-1, but making the people not white in comparison to the overwhelmingly white protagonists was just really lovely. They tackle equality questions much better in other episodes (like that one planet where O'Neil unwittingly participates in genocide). They fail miserably in this one.

....but I'm already at "Enigma", which is an incredibly great episode! It's the introduction of not only Maybourne, but the Tollan, who were my favorite alien race (besides the Oshen, who I always rooted for).

Throb Robinson
Feb 8, 2010

He would enjoy administering the single antidote to Leia. He would enjoy it very much indeed..


What a sad day. No new stargate coming down the drain.

Kem Rixen
Aug 6, 2007

With this turnip I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!


I really loved Stargate SG-1 when it was on, but felt Atlantis really made a turn for the worse after season 3 or whenever it was with that stupid episode with the exploding tumor. Universe I could never really get into, so I'm kind of glad that there are no Stargate shows on right now. I think the whole Stargate series could use some time off so that they can get some new ideas.

Also, Emancipation was an awful episode, it's probably one of the worst episodes in all of SG-1.

arisu
Apr 11, 2003


Loved SG-1, liked Atlantis, but couldn't watch Universe past the first 3 episodes.

Does it get any better? Or any more Stargate-y? I'm thinking of picking it up as one of my summer shows.

Universe Master
Jun 20, 2005

Darn Fine Pie


arisu posted:

Loved SG-1, liked Atlantis, but couldn't watch Universe past the first 3 episodes.

Does it get any better? Or any more Stargate-y? I'm thinking of picking it up as one of my summer shows.

Better, yes. More Stargate-y? No.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



arisu posted:

Loved SG-1, liked Atlantis, but couldn't watch Universe past the first 3 episodes.

Does it get any better? Or any more Stargate-y? I'm thinking of picking it up as one of my summer shows.

It gets a LOT better in the second season, but no it is not a Stargate show at all.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


Grimey Drawer

Universe Master posted:

Better, yes. More Stargate-y? No.

You get a small whiff of Stargate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lct7qit7Q-0

DasUberShiznit
Sep 23, 2010


SGU basically bitch slapped the other two series by virtue of better writing, cinematography, and disinterest in an episodic formula. This is why it failed.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



DasUberShiznit posted:

SGU basically bitch slapped the other two series by virtue of better writing, cinematography, and disinterest in an episodic formula. This is why it failed.

You are basically out of your goddamn mind.

DasUberShiznit
Sep 23, 2010


IRQ posted:

You are basically out of your goddamn mind.

Look, I spent far too much time watching reruns of both SG-1 and Atlantis with my dad, and I loved them both. But then somebody decided to watch Battlestar Galactica and went "Oooooh, so *that's* how you make a good sci-fi show."

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist





DasUberShiznit posted:

SGU basically bitch slapped the other two series by virtue of better writing, cinematography, and disinterest in an episodic formula. This is why it failed.

It failed because the first season wasn't as "good" as the second one. That and musical montages.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here


SG1 was pretty good until MacGuyver and Daniel had an offscreen fight and they almost never appeared in the same scene again. (Also MacGuyver was phoning it in so hard by the mid seasons he could've put Nokia out of business.) SG1 got better when Crichton and Erin travelled through a wormhole and arrived though.

Atlantis felt much like TNG in that it was neither good nor bad it was just there. Never watched SGU.

The best SG1 episodes were easily much better then the best TNG and DS9 episodes (and the worst episodes not as bad) but it never reached the level of writing and drama that B5 and Farscape did.

Hobo
Dec 12, 2007
Forum bum

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

SG1 was pretty good until MacGuyver and Daniel had an offscreen fight and they almost never appeared in the same scene again.

What happened?

And yeah, the phoning in was just painful.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Slippery Tilde

Thanks for featuring me in the OP.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



Hobo posted:

What happened?

Just out on a limb here, but I have a pretty good feeling it has a lot to do with RDA being an incredibly gracious actor and Shanks being a stuck-up fuckhead.

Ironic, as Shanks many times has said RDA was his inspiration to become an actor in the first place.

Tempest815
Oct 7, 2006

FALCON PUNCH!!

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Just out on a limb here, but I have a pretty good feeling it has a lot to do with RDA being an incredibly gracious actor and Shanks being a stuck-up fuckhead.

Ironic, as Shanks many times has said RDA was his inspiration to become an actor in the first place.

Yeah the running joke was "Daniel is dead again. He's holding out for more money"

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

Goons rage on Atlantis a lot, but I loved it. The chemistry between the actors was palpable and you could see how much fun they had doing the show. It was just so much loving fun, exploding tumors and all! Also, the wraith were excellent villains (now compare them to the Orii, who were ostensibly the worst villains in the history of all television).

Watched the finale of SG-1 season 1 last night. When the Jaffa capture O'Neil and Teal'c and present them to Apophis via the TV thing, and O'Neil says "Hiya, pops" and Apophis makes his eyes saucer-level big and immeditely yells back "SILENCE!!" as though all offended that someone dare speak to him, I laughed so hard. That is classic stargate.

Yehudis Basya fucked around with this message at May 26, 2011 around 17:40

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



Yehudis Basya posted:

(now compare them to the Orii, who were ostensibly the worst villains in the history of all television).

Counterpoint (although I hated the Orii as much as anyone):

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Yehudis Basya posted:

Goons rage on Atlantis a lot, but I loved it. The chemistry between the actors was palpable and you could see how much fun they had doing the show. It was just so much loving fun, exploding tumors and all! Also, the wraith were excellent villains (now compare them to the Orii, who were ostensibly the worst villains in the history of all television).

Watched the finale of SG-1 season 1 last night. When the Jaffa capture O'Neil and Teal'c and present them to Apophis via the TV thing, and O'Neil says "Hiya, poops" and Apophis makes his eyes saucer-level big and immeditely yells back "SILENCE!!" as though all offended that someone dare speak to him, I laughed so hard. That is classic stargate.

Ori are still better than the Lucian Alliance. At least they had a purpose and power beyond "earn a galactic monopoly on space corn and twist our mustaches".

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



I was about to say, the Lucian Alliance were a lot worse than Space Gods. SGU actually made them seem more threatening than "and then we'll put high-fructose space corn syrup into EVERY one of your prepackaged food items! ahahaha!"

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

I'll take space high fructose corn syrup over bullshit, boring Merlin inclusion any day. As far as I'm concerned, SG-1 ended in season 8 with "Moebius". That nonsense with Origin as well as Valla and her shoe-horned sex jokes in seasons 9 and 10? Never happened. Seriously. They're the only episodes of the entire loving series that I've only seen once. (Well, excluding SG Infinity but after seeing the theme song, I'm already hooked on it!)

ParagonParadox27
Jun 20, 2005


I LIKED the Ori arc, especially the last few episodes of it and Ark. Speaking of the movies, though, was that the actual actor who played Ra in Continuum or was that just another black guy they wanted us to think was Ra?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


Grimey Drawer

it was some other guy. The original Ra actor quit the business and went into fashion design or something.

spronk
Feb 5, 2011

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Just out on a limb here, but I have a pretty good feeling it has a lot to do with RDA being an incredibly gracious actor and Shanks being a stuck-up fuckhead.

Ironic, as Shanks many times has said RDA was his inspiration to become an actor in the first place.

Anyone still know if there was a specific incident between Shanks/RDA? I googled around a bit and couldn't find anything, so far in the middle of season 3 the two actors are together a lot but don't really have good chemistry.

Upon rewatch its really amazing so far what a lovely character Daniel is. I have yet to find an episode where he is redeeming, he constantly acts like a spoiled child - if he doesn't get his way, he gets VERY ANGRY and STOMPS AROUND a lot. I guess he improves (as a character) past season 3, since I remember liking the character.

I remember long after watching B5 reading some internet forums about how Michael O'Hare (Sinclair) and Jerry Doyle (Garibaldi) hated each other, and how Michael hit on Jerry's first wife (who played Talia! haha) and how Garibaldi wouldn't appear on screen with him so the creator had to make scenes that split them up:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...hael-ohare.html

Wonder if something similar happened on SG1.

BrightGreenLine
Sep 2, 2004
oh :gonk:

drcru posted:

It failed because the first season wasn't as "good" as the second one. That and musical montages.

The first half of season 1 wasn't doing them any favors when it was the completely formulaic crisis in space episodes. Every one of the beginning episodes was "The crew runs out of X" which, along with the musical montages, got really old fast. I stopped watching at the 2-parter because it was just getting silly.

I came back later when they tried telling a little less predictable story, and the show was a lot better. Those first episodes were extremely boring to me though.

ParagonParadox27
Jun 20, 2005


Yehudis Basya posted:

They tackle equality questions much better in other episodes (like that one planet where O'Neil unwittingly participates in genocide). They fail miserably in this one.

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The one with Rene Aberjonois' cloner faction versus the reproducers?

arisu
Apr 11, 2003


I enjoyed the Ori arc. Yeah seasons 9-10 of SG-1 weren't as good as the older ones, but it was still a lot of fun. And I thought Vala was a pretty cool character.

Plus the super awesome episodes of possessed Daniel kidnapping O'Neill for some FUN FUN FUN! The banter between them that episode was hilarious.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

ParagonParadox27 posted:

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The one with Rene Aberjonois' cloner faction versus the reproducers?

They really should have taken that deal.

ParagonParadox27
Jun 20, 2005


spronk posted:

I remember long after watching B5 reading some internet forums about how Michael O'Hare (Sinclair) and Jerry Doyle (Garibaldi) hated each other, and how Michael hit on Jerry's first wife (who played Talia! haha) and how Garibaldi wouldn't appear on screen with him so the creator had to make scenes that split them up:

http://www.sffchronicles.co.uk/foru...hael-ohare.html

Hahaha, god. Jerry Doyle is a dick, you need look no further than the fact that he's a right-wing radio hack.

ParagonParadox27
Jun 20, 2005


Yeah, no, Vala was awesome, Ben Browder was awesome, and the loving Supergate and those Ori fuckoff Death Star IIs were amazing.

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!


Best episode that doesnt exist? O'Neil gets turned invisible and wacky hijinks ensue. I forget which actual episode it appeared in '200' maybe? Theres a couple of clips of Jack using his invisibility to get up to no good, but no actual episode where it happened. I spent a long time looking for that episode because it looked god damned hilarious before I found out the clips were never taken from a real production episode but rather made only for 200 or whatever.

So sad, it looked awesome.

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

I guess I'm just a stargate purist and you plebians can enjoy your Farscape leftovers

I suppose one of the reasons I could never get into the Orii plot was because of how technologically advanced the SGC was by then. So instead of having to illegally gate to questionable addresses and fight with their bare hands/lovely projectile weapons to stop the impending Earth attack, the SGC instead had pew pew laser space battles while sitting in command chairs, just talking to each other in order to defeat the Orii. I find those battles boring (probably related to how Battlestar quickly became boring to me, sorry for the blasphemy). I prefer my stargate personnel to be scrappy underdogs, not technological powerhouses!

Wait, what deal were they offered in the genocide episode? It's been a long time since I last saw that one.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Yehudis Basya posted:

I guess I'm just a stargate purist and you plebians can enjoy your Farscape leftovers

I suppose one of the reasons I could never get into the Orii plot was because of how technologically advanced the SGC was by then. So instead of having to illegally gate to questionable addresses and fight with their bare hands/lovely projectile weapons to stop the impending Earth attack, the SGC instead had pew pew laser space battles while sitting in command chairs, just talking to each other in order to defeat the Orii. I find those battles boring (probably related to how Battlestar quickly became boring to me, sorry for the blasphemy). I prefer my stargate personnel to be scrappy underdogs, not technological powerhouses!

Wait, what deal were they offered in the genocide episode? It's been a long time since I last saw that one.

Cold fusion, advanced VR simulators, and a host of other advanced technology in exchange for heavy water to keep their reactors running.

And then in the end all they had to do was save not-Hitler and let him walk through the gate and he would have given them all the info anyway.

ParagonParadox27
Jun 20, 2005


Yeah, poor Odo, he got splatted on the Iris.

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Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

I always thought Senator Kinsey, Maybourne, Samiels, etc. had a point in that the stargate program was really too dangerous to actively operate: too many diseases brought back and not enough alien tech. Though I really loved the episode where they specifically address this very issue and O'Neill becomes An Official Bad Guy with Maybourne's black ops team.

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