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the-jam
May 20, 2003

Kick Out the MC5


Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Ahh. I guess I meant more as a lead cast member, though there is a great lack of enlisted in these shows regardless. I guess maybe the idea being that SGC is high-clearanced enough that your average Joe isn't trusted enough, yet we have butter-bar Scott slutting around Icarus Base, so who the gently caress knows?

Slightly better than Starship Troopers where Rico just keeps getting brevetted higher and higher as everyone is dying around him. He might still be getting paid like a Private at the end of that film.
Scott was a first lieutenant not a butter bar (Greer called him a butter bar in anger once and he got rightfully pissed about it). Of course he was hooking up with James who was a second lieutenant so your point pretty much still stands.

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richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?

mania posted:

If I wanted to read about a Sheppard and Teyla romance, I'd go find some fanfic. (Hell, I've read fic better then this book.) I just want a book about the team kicking Wraith butt throughout the Pegasus galaxy.

I still can't believe people actually read fanfic...


twistedmentat posted:

I always had a weird crush on Dr Fraiser.

It's not weird. Fraiser was hot.

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

I once read one of the SG-1 novelizations. It was... horrible. But I love bad novels in the same way I love bad sci fi channel original movies: shamelessly!

richardfun posted:

It's not weird. Fraiser was hot.

And an awesome character! But yeah, she was also the most beautiful person to probably ever be cast in the entire franchise, with the possible exception of Sharee. I loved how quickly she could solve alien protein and DNA structures, figure out the best medicines that saved people from imminent death, and be a rockin' Mom to Cassandra. Fraiser was the best!

Effingham
Aug 1, 2006

The bells of the Gion Temple echo the impermanence of all things...


twistedmentat posted:

I always had a weird crush on Dr Frasier.

That is not a weird crush.

I had it, too. BIG time. Then they killed her.

Bastards.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

my god, it's full of stars


That Guy From Pearldiver posted:

Does Weir ever become likable? She always strikes me as that repressed catholic mom who lived in your neighborhood growing up

I was watching a rerun of Atlantis the other day and I was trying to pinpoint why I was so attracted to Weir, and then you come along and nail it. That is exactly how she comes off.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


Grimey Drawer

I like the third Weir actress the best. The first one was bland and the second one was skeletor.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.


I believe the rumors were that the first Weir was hated by everyone for being incredibly difficult on set, which is why they recast it.

Forum Actuary
Jan 23, 2004
BRITISH

For those wondering what the SGA movie would have been about, JM blogged that it was to begin with Atlantis having been put on the moon, and then McKay finds it's about to self destruct due to a safeguard the Ancients put in to stop it being stolen from the Pegasus galaxy, so back they go.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



loving Ancients. Even their car alarms are dimwittedly dangerous. This isn't Robocop II, your anti-theft device is not allowed to incinerate the burglar.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

loving Ancients. Even their car alarms are dimwittedly dangerous. This isn't Robocop II, your anti-theft device is not allowed to incinerate the burglar.

YOU ARE ILLEGALLY PARKED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY

No wonder they ascended, everything they built tried to kill them.

the-jam
May 20, 2003

Kick Out the MC5


God that sounds like such a lovely reset of the finale. It's a movie, you don't need to return to the status quo. Plus you'd think the ancients would have put in a return to Earth option in their security program.

scarymonkey
Jul 15, 2003

by angerbeet


The Lucian aliance sucked, Stargate command can defeat the Goulds, Wraith and Ori, but it's the space mafia that can finally sneak nukes into earth. Just binged though the second half of SGU, it became a much better show. They formed a cohesive ongoing plot that wasn't lame. I wish studios/networks/cable had more faith in their shows to build a fan base. If you look at season 1 ratings of shows like Cheers and Seinfeld they would be have canceled by today's standards. It's cool though I can now catch up on wresting to get my ScyFy fix.

scarymonkey fucked around with this message at May 31, 2011 around 13:58

ClassH
Mar 17, 2008


the-jam posted:

God that sounds like such a lovely reset of the finale. It's a movie, you don't need to return to the status quo. Plus you'd think the ancients would have put in a return to Earth option in their security program.

If there is one thing I know from watching Stargate it is you never can expect the ancients to have done anything logical. I still don't understand why the ancients didn't just fly Atlantis back to earth when they abandoned Pegasus.

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

scarymonkey posted:

The Lucian aliance sucked, Stargate command can defeat the Goulds, Wraith and Ori, but it's the space mafia that can finally sneak nukes into earth.

Not that I think their intentions have much merit, but it seems like the producers were trying to compare the Lucian alliance to terrorists (it's applicable to real life! somehow! ), so there was no clear Central Bad Guy/Organization To Defeat. Compare that to the Goulds, Wraith, and Ori, which were much more centralized, organized, and coherent enemies, so relatively more "straightforward" to do effective battle with. (They're like the US's enemies in the world war! )

Or maybe I'm trying to be kind to the writing staff, because yeah, seasons 9 and 10 were filled with some awful plot holes, way beyond the fun, campy "hey wait a minute" moments of seasons 1-8.

EvilTaytoMan
Sep 10, 2008



mania posted:

According to the series of books (it's a six part series called Legacy) that take place after the series, Atlantis (and her crew) eventually head back to the Pegasus galaxy against the wishes of the IOA.

In general I never read any of those novelizations because they're basically fanfic that managed to get published.

Forum Actuary posted:

For those wondering what the SGA movie would have been about, JM blogged that it was to begin with Atlantis having been put on the moon, and then McKay finds it's about to self destruct due to a safeguard the Ancients put in to stop it being stolen from the Pegasus galaxy, so back they go.

As retarded as it sounds, I can somehow see the Ancients doing this. gently caress those guys.

scarymonkey posted:

The Lucian aliance sucked, Stargate command can defeat the Goulds, Wraith and Ori, but it's the space mafia that can finally sneak nukes into earth. Just binged though the second half of SGU, it became a much better show. They formed a cohesive ongoing plot that wasn't lame.

This is the main problem I had with it. Other than that SGU was beginning to grow on me. The second season was much better when they stopped the overemphasis on the drama and started doing something more scifi.

spronk
Feb 5, 2011

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

Yehudis Basya posted:

Not that I think their intentions have much merit, but it seems like the producers were trying to compare the Lucian alliance to terrorists (it's applicable to real life! somehow! ), so there was no clear Central Bad Guy/Organization To Defeat. Compare that to the Goulds, Wraith, and Ori, which were much more centralized, organized, and coherent enemies, so relatively more "straightforward" to do effective battle with. (They're like the US's enemies in the world war! )

I'm not far enough in my rewatch to see the space corn mafia introduction, but wasn't the Lucian Alliance a pretty centralized organization? They "owned" several planets and a bunch of ships, and it was pretty easy to identify and find them.

SGU could have used the Lucians in a better way - Earth establishes an uneasy treaty with the Lucians (Afghanistan!) but a splinter group goes rogue and attacks both sides in terrorist attacks to break the treaty (Taliban!). That would have at least made a bit more sense, rather than a tiny fringe element of the galaxy attacking basically the sole superpower, for no apparent reason. They could have reworked the Lucian attack on Destiny as well so its a rogue group trying to find massively superior weapons - jokes on them though, Destiny is a piece of poo poo!

Haha, now that I think about it, did Earth get ANYTHING out of Destiny/SGU, or did it just suck up a metric rear end-ton of resources?

In season 4 now, just saw Lt Troy as a russian scientist! Now we just need Riker!

Falcorum
Oct 21, 2010


spronk posted:

Haha, now that I think about it, did Earth get ANYTHING out of Destiny/SGU, or did it just suck up a metric rear end-ton of resources?

Earth got rid of Chloe at least.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


Well it blew up a planet. Not sure how effective that is when you can just blow up stars instead.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

So I went through a bunch of season 8 episodes, including those Ancient coffee shop ones. Makes you wonder why they've even tried to save the ancients end of season 10, since they're practically all a bunch of dicks.

--edit: vvvv Just get rid of both parties.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at May 31, 2011 around 19:40

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Combat Pretzel posted:

So I went through a bunch of season 8 episodes, including those Ancient coffee shop ones. Makes you wonder why they've even tried to save the ancients end of season 10, since they're practically all a bunch of dicks.

Lesser of two evils. Chose the jerks who sit around and laugh as you get blown up by all their doomsday devices they left around, as opposed to the jerks who sit around and laugh as brainwashed followers actively hunt and murder you.

Yehudis Basya
Jul 27, 2006

THE BEST HEADMISTRESS EVER

spronk posted:

I'm not far enough in my rewatch to see the space corn mafia introduction, but wasn't the Lucian Alliance a pretty centralized organization? They "owned" several planets and a bunch of ships, and it was pretty easy to identify and find them.

Totally possible. I was so bored with seasons 9 and 10, so my recollection of the Lucian alliance as being a bunch of scattered terrorist cells could be completely inaccurate.

I think the only episode I enjoyed from S9 and S10 was the one where those bugs attacked SG1 and Woolsey (they were like the beetles from The Mummy). But the only reason that episode was so much fun was because it made me feel all fuzzy for The Muumy.

scarymonkey
Jul 15, 2003

by angerbeet


The first few paragraphs of this wiki are a pretty good sum up of the Lucian Alliance:

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Lucian_Alliance

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

That link should have been three words:

"Space corn dealers."

General Emergency
Apr 2, 2009

Can we talk?

Yehudis Basya posted:

Totally possible. I was so bored with seasons 9 and 10, so my recollection of the Lucian alliance as being a bunch of scattered terrorist cells could be completely inaccurate.

I think the only episode I enjoyed from S9 and S10 was the one where those bugs attacked SG1 and Woolsey (they were like the beetles from The Mummy). But the only reason that episode was so much fun was because it made me feel all fuzzy for The Muumy.

Every episode with Woolsey was good because Bobby Picardo is so dreamy.

I haven't seen his run in Atlantis yet. Does he manage to pull that shitheap out of the water?

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



Woolsey is entirely redeemed via his run on Atlantis, and is probably the most likeable administrator of the expedition.

That Guy From Pearldiver
Apr 18, 2001

President and Sole Member of the Andre Braugher Appreciation Society

Senor Tron posted:

Imagine Atlantis if they had Greer instead of Ford, best show ever.

I think Ronon would have held him underwater until the bubbles stopped within 5 minutes of meeting.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Woolsey is entirely redeemed via his run on Atlantis, and is probably the most likeable administrator of the expedition.

So I'm not the only one who thought Carter was a fish out of water during her run?

That Guy From Pearldiver fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2011 around 09:04

scarymonkey
Jul 15, 2003

by angerbeet


That Guy From Pearldiver posted:



So I'm not the only one who thought Carter was a fish out of water during her run?

Carter was so badly used. Amanda Tapping was obligated to be there x amount of episodes, but it felt like the writers didn't really want her there. Carter is supposed to be the only person even smarter than McCay, but during a technical crisis she never teams up with Rodney to solve it, instead relegated to paperwork and administration bullshit. It's like hiring Einstein, but all you have him do is make coffee.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005




Forum Actuary posted:

For those wondering what the SGA movie would have been about, JM blogged that it was to begin with Atlantis having been put on the moon, and then McKay finds it's about to self destruct due to a safeguard the Ancients put in to stop it being stolen from the Pegasus galaxy, so back they go.

That doesn't sound as cool as the idea I heard them floating back when Atlantis was cancelled. The broad idea was that the IOA was gonna bring in a bunch of science and engineering specialists to start figuring Atlantis out; after a few weeks they'd decide to start gutting the city to better study its tech in Area 51-type labs, and maybe build more drone outposts like the one in Antarctica. The Atlantis crew thinks that's a terrible idea because it'll deprive the Pegasus galaxy of its only real defense against the Wraith (and besides, if the Wraith could find and adapt a ZPM to their hive ships once, they might be able to do so again), so they hijack Atlantis and take it back to Pegasus.

McSpanky fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2011 around 11:00

ClassH
Mar 17, 2008


scarymonkey posted:

Carter was so badly used. Amanda Tapping was obligated to be there x amount of episodes, but it felt like the writers didn't really want her there. Carter is supposed to be the only person even smarter than McCay, but during a technical crisis she never teams up with Rodney to solve it, instead relegated to paperwork and administration bullshit. It's like hiring Einstein, but all you have him do is make coffee.

I know the writers wanted her to be the only one smarter than McKay but from just re watching all of Atlantis and sg-1 MaKay's exploits blow her out of the water. He did everything in like 30 seconds. Need to rewrite the replicator base code? No problem. Need to reconfigure a jumper to shield instead of cloak? Give him 30 seconds.

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009


Best use of Carter on Atlantis was the whale episode when Rodney was hallucinating her.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



I think the silliest part of Atlantis was when they first arrived and the place was pristine. Tarps on consoles, lights off, and a power issue, but it looked new. Destiny at least looked run down.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I think the silliest part of Atlantis was when they first arrived and the place was pristine. Tarps on consoles, lights off, and a power issue, but it looked new. Destiny at least looked run down.

Well it's orders of magnitude younger, far more advanced, was actually inhabited by humans at some point, and wasn't involved in any fights in its downtime.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



Eh. I still wish they had to struggle more with it. I know expecting realism out of scifi is silly, but the only real problem they had at first was a nearly-dead ZPM forcing them to surface lest the shield collapse and kill them all inglouriously. Even something like an inch of water in the gateroom and the lights not turning on when they arrived would have made it much better, imo.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

I can't wait to entertain you.


The first time they made it to Atlantis the place was a mess and nearly everyone drowned. Alt-Weir got it ready for them.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Before_I_Sleep

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Eh. I still wish they had to struggle more with it. I know expecting realism out of scifi is silly, but the only real problem they had at first was a nearly-dead ZPM forcing them to surface lest the shield collapse and kill them all inglouriously. Even something like an inch of water in the gateroom and the lights not turning on when they arrived would have made it much better, imo.

That's because Weir went back in time and convinced the ancients to make sure the place wouldn't kill them when they showed up.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!

Grimey Drawer

Paradoxish posted:

That's because Weir went back in time and convinced the ancients to make sure the place wouldn't kill them when they showed up.

One Ancient, the rest were perfectly happy to let them all die.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



Paradoxish posted:

That's because Weir went back in time and convinced the ancients to make sure the place wouldn't kill them when they showed up.

Yeah, I know. It's like a paradox...ish.




MjolnirMan
Aug 15, 2006
It's Hammertime

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Even something like an inch of water in the gateroom and the lights not turning on when they arrived would have made it much better, imo.

Stargate: Bioshock would have been amazing.

MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."


Palleon posted:

Well it's orders of magnitude younger, far more advanced, was actually inhabited by humans at some point, and wasn't involved in any fights in its downtime.
Well remember it was actually inhabited the whole entire time it was presumed to be abandoned.

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Eh. I still wish they had to struggle more with it. I know expecting realism out of scifi is silly, but the only real problem they had at first was a nearly-dead ZPM forcing them to surface lest the shield collapse and kill them all inglouriously. Even something like an inch of water in the gateroom and the lights not turning on when they arrived would have made it much better, imo.
Actually, for what its worth the city did get banged up and damaged pretty regularly.

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scarymonkey
Jul 15, 2003

by angerbeet


Drizzt01 posted:

I know the writers wanted her to be the only one smarter than McKay but from just re watching all of Atlantis and sg-1 MaKay's exploits blow her out of the water. He did everything in like 30 seconds. Need to rewrite the replicator base code? No problem. Need to reconfigure a jumper to shield instead of cloak? Give him 30 seconds.

The be fair most of the time McCay was working with Ancient technology, while Carter was working with the equivalency of stick and stones, McCay most of the time wasn't doing so much invention as in understanding Ancient technology (which buttons to press).

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