Stargate: "I do not understand why everything in the script must inevitably explode."

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Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Rhyno posted:

It did and it was terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMh6YLikOg

Oh man, Ben Browder really phoned in that performance. "Ouch"

# ¿ Mar 30, 2017 23:15

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 08:58

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Jusupov posted:

What the gently caress http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6736996/

"After orbiting a planet that is run by the Goa'ulds, The Enterprise receives a distress call from Com. Hansen saying that they were attacked by the Goa'ulds and soon after receiving the distress call, Lt. Hansen's ship was destroyed by the Goa'ulds and now Kirk and others must find out what is going on."

edit: Oh I guess it's some fans wank material?

I'm a big Die Antwoord fan so I'm pretty excited to see Yolandi Visser in her uncredited role.

And they've got Hewlett back to reprise his role as Dr. Rodnay McCay [sic]!

# ¿ Apr 12, 2017 22:43

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

pixaal posted:

There have been several scifi shows that do reboots. Same universe might be a bit rough. A full reboot back with humans being the new guys on the block working their way back up to power would be good. That or large time jump, but half the fun of SG-1 was that when the show aired is kind of the loosely the date that episode takes place. Each season being a real year. It's be a completely new cast but that doesn't mean you can't keep the same writing style.

There was a complete reboot of Battle Star and that turned out fantastic. Doctor Who had a pretty long break too. Star Trek has had several breaks between shows as well and does fine.

Well for Star Trek the only real break was between TOS and TNG, and that gap was filled with a half dozen movies. TNG was contemporary with early DS9 and Voyager and Voyager ended the same year Enterprise started. Now its been over a decade since the last Trek TV show but once again we've had several movies keeping it in the public consciousness leading into the new TV series.

Stargate hasn't had jack in over 6 years and it's been over eight years since there was a Stargate show people actually watched. Which probably means the full reboot would be the better move, since you don't have the fanbase the size of a Dr. Who or Star Trek who are attached to the original continuity.

If it were to happen I would like them to keep the contemporary style. People like you and me going off into the unknown, etc.

# ¿ Jun 9, 2017 15:23

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

You're all focused on Canadian forests while the real amazing part is how everyone speaks perfect English. Even in other galaxies!

# ¿ Sep 1, 2017 19:09

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Rocksicles posted:

The writer wrote a TNG episode that was almost exactly the same, apparently. I never watched TNG

In TNG, Space Africans kidnap the white woman and she has to free herself through a fight to the death. And just like Emancipation, it's the fourth episode of the first season.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2017 20:43

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

He was probably too hard to get back. Dude was doing a lot of stuff in the late 90's/early 00's.

Didn't need SG1 with all that sweet DS9/Buffy money he had stashed away.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2017 04:08

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Yeah just watched that episode and it's hilarious.

"God who would ever say anything so stupid??"

# ¿ Mar 18, 2018 19:42

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I don't remember anything about Universe and I am happier for it. Apparently it got better(?) but I stopped watching sometime in season 2.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2018 21:48

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Yeah, they were all in on the Egyptian gods thing and then all of a sudden here's Camulus and Amaterasu, why the gently caress not.

Like most things in Stargate, it's best not to think too hard about any of it. Like you start by wondering about the planet being called Cimmeria and then the next step is asking why every alien is speaking perfect English and every planet looks like Canada.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2018 18:35

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

CapnBry posted:

The first time through I started catching episodes around season 6 or something and by that point it was so confusing who were the ancients, the gooolds, the replicants, all the 18 God guys, Sharr-ray, Skara, the Tokra the Tauri the Caldonians the Langarans, the NID and all that jazz.

Stargate SG-1, S8E15, Citizen Joe posted:

JOE: A giant fireball in the night sky! (He gestures dramatically. Bert and Gordie try to look politely interested.)

FRED: You say these folks are a military unit?

(Fred is lying back in the barber's chair with his face covered in shaving cream. Joe is holding a cut-throat razor.)

JOE: Yeah -- they're part of the U.S. Air Force.

FRED: But they travel to other planets?

JOE: Through the Stargate.

GORDIE: Which is a time-travel machine.

JOE: It's an alien device that creates a stable wormhole allowing instantaneous travel to other worlds. Time has nothing to do with it.

(Bert raises his hand.)

BERT: Boss -- a question. Uh, these Goold ...

JOE (pronouncing it correctly): Goa'uld.

BERT: Goa'oo ...

JOE: Goa'uld.

BERT: Never mind. The bad guys. You said they've got snakes in their heads?

JOE: Symbiotes, yes.

GORDIE: And what about the fellows with the ones in their bellies?

JOE: They're different -- they're called Jaffa. They incubate the symbiotes until they're ready for implantation. (He gestures to his head.)

FRED: Now, you see, Joe, that's confusing.

BERT: He's right, boss. Why can't there be just one kind of bad guy, you know, the snake goes in their head, makes them evil, the end.

FRED: Call 'em the snake people!

GORDIE: Yeah, snake people's good.

BERT: Yeah.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2018 21:28

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

8one6 posted:

If you haven't heard Claudia Black attempt an American accent you owe it to yourself to look up the episode of Dresden where she guest stars.

It's... Something alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKiJSjD-aAg&t=18s

# ¿ Mar 23, 2018 00:59

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I was going to make a "wizard did it" comment substituting ancient for wizard, but then I remembered that according to SG-1 Merlin was an ancient so basically anytime you're wondering how something works a wizard did it.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2018 10:10

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Zesty posted:

Why weren�t the Tollan considered the Fifth Race by the Asgaard? They clearly already had contact with the Nox and Asgaard.

Or hell. Maybe the Tok�ra as an intelligent friendly species. What makes Earth so special?

Our can-do attitude.

Did the Tollan blow up a sun? Or overthrow multiple Goa'uld system lords? Or smash and then put back together every piece of technology they came across? The Tauri know how to party.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2018 00:13

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

Yeah gently caress the Ancients. They managed to ascend first so now no energy beings are allowed to influence the corporeal world until the end of time? Some random guy 15,000 years later manages to become enlightened enough to ascend and wants to help the galaxy but nope, gently caress you buddy we have rules.

Or the part where they were letting Anubis wipe out all life in a galaxy to teach a petty lesson.

Ancients suck.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2018 21:45

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I'm rewatching Atlantis and just got through the episode where they find the machine that makes everyone near it when it's turned on grow explosive tumors.

Beginning to think the Ancients were loving idiots.

# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 07:35

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

you ascend

# ¿ Apr 6, 2018 00:58

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Brawnfire posted:

My favorite Stargate scenes are the groups of specialists meeting.

"Major" "doctor" "doctor" "Colonel" "doctor" "major" "doctor" "Colonel" "doctor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xb-oLS-cyY

# ¿ Apr 12, 2018 21:45

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

banned from Starbucks posted:

To be fair none of this poo poo makes any sense. Why are they called the Asgard before they even adopted the guise of Norse Gods? What did goauld tech look like before Ra stumbled upon Earth and said "yo this Egyptian poo poo look cool?" and slapped hieroglyphics on everything. I thought they were scavengers and took poo poo from other races so why does everything look identical? Why does Yu, a Chinese god/emperor? fly in an Egyptian pyramid? Why does Yu FLY IN A GODDAMN PYRAMID?! Why do Jaffa wear chain mail when even the lowest humans they enslave have crossbows which pierce chain mail? Why do no other goauld except Ra and Apophis care about cool helmets? Why does Seth wear a leather jacket indoors?

The Egyptians copied the Go'auld aesthetic, not the other way around.

And Yu does what Yu wants, he don't give no fucks.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2018 23:13

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Instead of watching Origins I've been rewatching SG-1. I think I made the right call.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2018 20:43

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Hewlett's performance is wonderful and McKay is a hero, through and through.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2018 19:45

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

banned from Starbucks posted:

its also makes later seasons really funny when they bring up not making the stargate program public. its like drat 3/4 of the loving planet must already know and are working on cranking out all these spaceships!

yeah there must be roughly twenty thousand people across the globe who have had some part in building these things, and also they have to take off from the ground so the odds that no one caught some cellphone vid of the giant spaceships taking off next to the suburbs is pretty low

# ¿ Dec 7, 2018 07:37

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Objectifying Claudia Black is despicable...

when Michael Shanks is right there begging to be objectified. Pretty sure Shanks put it in his contract that he'd only come back if he could be naked at least twice a season.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2018 09:05

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Pretty sure there were multiple instances where they went to the SGC or Daedalus armory and grabbed a bunch of zats, so I think they amassed a pretty good supply but just didn't use them. Also everyone from the writers to actors thought zats were stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br-7sEAPhUk

As for staff weapons, there's that one episode where they have Sam clown on the jaffa resistance fighters with a P-90 to show that bullets are way better than their lovely energy blasts that never seem to hit anyone on SG-1.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2018 17:28

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

DrNutt posted:

I like the first season a lot because it's hilariously uneven and there are at least two episodes where it feels like Showtime probably wanted there to be nudity like the pilot and someone said no. Hathor and Brief Candle iirc

It's a lot more fun than season one of TNG, even though I like TNG better in general (and for whatever dumb reason can't stop comparing them to one another).

It's an easy comparison to make since they both have the exact same third episode written by literally the same person.

# ¿ Dec 17, 2018 23:29

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Yeah serious tonal whiplash when you go back to the first episode if you're familiar with the show after it went

Ratjaculation posted:

# ¿ Mar 16, 2019 22:57

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Brawnfire posted:

Someone should be Lost Among the Stargates, too. I'm not sure who, someone nobody really wants to see for more than a few moments. Teyla?

Teyla can die off-screen on the way back to her home planet.

It's too bad any new Stargate would never have the budget to bring back Jason Momoa. I liked Ronon.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2019 05:06

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

https://youtu.be/36uLLJPa61Y?t=2581

Michael Shanks on the zat. Starts at 43 minutes if the timestamp doesn't work.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2020 18:59

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

My favorite part of SGU was that the writers or producers had so little faith in the concept that they immediately developed a way to send people back to earth so they could do boring earth adventures that were also super rapey when you think about it.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 05:48

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Cojawfee posted:

It's helped by the fact that he was part of the main team for the first couple seasons. Is there a reason why he got a reduced role? Was the actor tired of the show or something?

Here's an interview from around the time of the decision:

https://www.gateworld.net/news/2005/04/ford-up-front/

Seems like he wasn't happy with Ford's minor role in Season 1 and wanted something bigger for the character. And he was pretty hopeful about the angle they were taking...

quote:

GW: Do you think that there is a chance that Ford will return to the team full-time, depending on what direction he�s going to go in? Do you think there�s a chance that it�ll be better for your character to return as a full-time character?

RF: I think that one of the things that�s so beautiful about sci-fi and so beautiful about Rob [Cooper, executive producer] and Brad, who have been doing this for such a long time, is that they are masters of creating great stories that give them a way in or a way out. And that�s what great writing is all about. I think they�re masters of that, and so I think that the way the character is going is going to build a lot of interest. The fans are going to really like Ford now. And if they don�t like him, they�ll still like him for that reason � they will be interested in him.

Oh Rainbow, buddy, no... just no.

Edit: rereading the interview and it's pretty clear while he was being positive about it this was not really his decision. Ultimately sounds like the writers created a boring character and couldn't figure out how to make him not boring, and Francks didn't manage a Harry Kim and get declared one of America's sexiest bachelors so he got the axe.

Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Apr 24, 2020

# ¿ Apr 24, 2020 06:31

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

pentyne posted:

I'd hold SG1 up as one of the top 3 ever in terms of a sci fi television series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsf_t8a0yo&t=55s

# ¿ Apr 25, 2020 19:48

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

There's a throwaway line from Carter in an episode where she mentions that they fixed some sort of calculation error in gate travel that caused the trip to be rough, and I assumed that was them addressing the gate trips no longer being shaky and freezing. I don't remember what episode that's from, though.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2020 22:41

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Floppychop posted:

God that episode was bad. Not Emancipation bad, but still.

Is that the one where McKay hallucinates Carter stripping for him, or am I confusing it with a different "oh god we're trapped and gonna die" episode?

Edit: no the Sexy Carter one was underwater and the space one was Shepard having the bug on his neck, I think?

# ¿ Aug 17, 2020 23:55

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I watched most of Season 1 of SGU and I just remember the whole thing being miserable, not liking any of the characters, and being bored while watching it a lot of the time. That they routinely dragged the characters away from cool sci-fi adventures to have questionable sexual encounters on earth via magic rocks didn't help with the boredom element.

I didn't mind that they were trying something different, but I did mind that they were trying something that BSG had already done better and that it wasn't interesting to watch.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2020 03:20

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Yeah TNG has two decent court episodes. Farscape has an episode where the cast is on trial, but that's really more of a Rashomon "same story told from different perspectives" thing. DS9 has an ok one where Worf is on trial.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2020 08:19

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Deceptive Thinker posted:

Farscape also has the one where Zhaan is on trial for murder and Chianna and Rygel are her lawyers

Totally forgot about that one. Decent episode because it's fun to watch Rygel and Chiana interact.

Also forgot about the other DS9 episode where O'Brien is kidnapped and put on trial on Cardassia. Sort of the same as the Worf episode because in both cases it turns out to be a conspiracy.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2020 02:31

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Dark Matter ending on a cliffhanger was a real bummer.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 00:24

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 08:58

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Senor Tron posted:

Isn't there some classic sci-fi story that deals with humanity encountering a hive mind and dealing with the differences in thinking? From memory it's this horrifying evil enemy that is capturing and vivisecting humans, and we go to fight them, but when that happens the hive mind realizes for the first time that humans are all individual and not drones and are absolutely horrified that they have inadvertantly been snuffing out whole consciousnesses.

Probably thinking of Ender's Game.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 03:51

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