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Dauntasa posted:There's a difference between letting someone with a dodgy security pass because he tells you he's supposed to be there, and letting a man wearing an elite military uniform and his friend with a machinegun grafted onto his arm in because you assume that they're here to fix the elevator. He didn't notice any of that because he was too busy staring at Tifa's tits. Edit: Well that sure is a new page. 
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Renoistic posted:This part really pulled me in when I first played it. It's creepy, mysterious and full of unanswered questions. Not to mention playable, which is a major plus in my book. This LP keeps reminding me why I consider FF7 to be the best FF (OK, in the top three, at least). Fourthing this opinion. Midgar was great, but this is great for an entirely different reason...and becomes even greater later. Besides, I play games mostly for story, and this is the first real exposition of the story as a whole that we've gotten so far, and I was engrossed. Another thing that really impressed me at the time was that it was Cloud giving it, the main character explaining the story. Before this game, I had only played games with the sort of silent protagonist this genre is famous for; in all of the games I previously played, I was lucky if the main character got a line. They were pretty much ciphers dragged along for the story just like me, but here, Cloud is directing the story. I loved that.
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Dauntasa posted:There's a difference between letting someone with a dodgy security pass because he tells you he's supposed to be there, and letting a man wearing an elite military uniform and his friend with a machinegun grafted onto his arm in because you assume that they're here to fix the elevator. Eh, a uniform's a uniform. If he's in uniform he must be the unskilled labor, right? And who would graft a gun onto his arm? Obviously that's a powered multitool in place of his hand.
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Golden_Zucchini posted:Eh, a uniform's a uniform. If he's in uniform he must be the unskilled labor, right?  Hello, ma'am, you said there was a problem with your cable?
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Jul 1, 2011 22:23
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Schwartzcough posted:I don't quite get the flashback hate either. The only real difference between the flashback and the rest of the game is you aren't gaining experience and "loot." The beginning parts of this game would frequently have you go through "battle areas" where you might get in one fight, followed by 45 minutes of talking to people and cutscenes. After your first playthough you know everything in the story, so it's not like the flashback is a particularly bad offender of making you sit through stuff you already know- the entire storyline portion of the game does the same thing. If you know what you're doing it's actually about half an hour (all of Midgar can be done in a bit over 2 hours), but otherwise I agree. I find Midgar boring also, it's just long sections of talking/cutscenes broken up by bits of running from place to place. This may be because I've played through it too many times.
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Dauntasa posted:There's a difference between letting someone with a dodgy security pass because he tells you he's supposed to be there, and letting a man wearing an elite military uniform and his friend with a machinegun grafted onto his arm in because you assume that they're here to fix the elevator. There is a difference yes, and I am saying people are that that stupid. Or in this case, the game is trying to make these Shinra suits in their almost literal ivory tower out to be especially detached from the "real" world that you come from. Screaming Idiot posted:Bad Elentor, bad! You do not reward them, you punish them! Lock the thread and deny updates! Have you learned nothing from The Dark Id? Yeah in the only LP I ever did I locked it for about a week when someone went and posted a certain unfunny webcomic. I have to wonder how many people noticed when I reopened it. Concordat fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Jul 21, 2011 |
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Jul 1, 2011 23:16
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I always rush through Midgar because I'm looking forward to Kalm. And you can't say it doesn't have replay value, either. You just can't. Also, the scene with Cloud's mom is another extremely well-directed one, much like the one with Aeris's mom. Nice going on the animated GIF!
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Jul 1, 2011 23:18
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:younger Cloud and Sephiroth are individual characters in the game's memory, with their own stat growths and everything, despite never gaining levels. This actually plays into a prevalent rumor about the game and, more specifically, proves why it's not true. That's a very long way away, though.
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Jul 2, 2011 00:00
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Dauntasa posted:
I don't know you, but I always trust my friendly neighborhood cable They're such delightful people!
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Jul 2, 2011 00:55
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Funny, I always thought Sephiroth was having an aggressive cough-attack, not laughing.
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E: sorry 
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Jul 2, 2011 01:52
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Demicol posted:BAD WORDS Dude, change your post, that's a major spoiler.
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Jul 2, 2011 01:53
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Yeah, definitely edit that. Also, while Crisis Core might be "canon", it's canon in the same way KJA's novels are "canon" in Star Wars. Which is to say, everyone just ignores them and only counts the good stuff. So FFVII's flashback it is.
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Jul 2, 2011 01:59
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Sorry, I didnt think anything would be a spoiler. Maybe it will come up later.
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Jul 2, 2011 01:59
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Yeah it'll definitely come up later. Not for a good while though.
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Jul 2, 2011 02:05
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Super Ninja Fish posted:Dreading? I always look forward to this part on replays and am usually bored afterwards. Maybe that's the reason I included "some of you have been waiting for"? :P Concordat posted:This was awhile ago, but I have to say, you'd be surprised how far you could get by simply pretending you're supposed to be there. I recall some security expert would have his face printed on a laminated card with the AT&T logo, and claim he is there to check the phones, and so many times people would let him through security. Even though AT&T doesn't even do that anymore. Yeah, I suppose as long as you look like you belong, everything is fine. It's when you look worried and turning your face to see if nobody's paying attention that everybody starts to pay attention. Bloody Pancreas posted:Funny, I always thought Sephiroth was having an aggressive cough-attack, not laughing. It's really hard to distinguish but it's laughing. They have to overexaggerate the movements for obvious reasons.
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Jul 2, 2011 03:25
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Elentor posted:It's really hard to distinguish but it's laughing. They have to overexaggerate the movements for obvious reasons. The first time I played through it I thought he was crying. What a pussy of a villain, I thought at the time.
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Jul 2, 2011 03:42
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I thought he was just shaking. He was apparently trying to remember his father and then he starts shaking and I just figured something was going all weird in his head. I guess I just associate memory issues with odd body movements in this game.
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Jul 2, 2011 04:07
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I know the models and animations aren't very complex, but it always was very obviously laughing to me. Kind of amusing to hear all the other assumptions.
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Jul 2, 2011 04:17
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Sephiroth has *always* given off a very serpentine vibe to me. In the polygons, the FMVs, the art, and Advent Children--all of it. In particular the way his hair's shaped with the in-character model reminds me moreso of a cobra and the Masamune is kinda drat near like a viper fang if you stretch this idea. So seeing him be anything other than calm, composed, or loving-someone-up always felt pretty unsettling.
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I don't know if it's been said yet, but Nibelheim is one creepy motherfucking town. "Hello, children. To your left you will see the giant mansion. Don't look at it for too long. Children who look at it for too long disappear in the night. We hear their cries for some weeks afterward. And please don't play in the mountains which have clearly been built in the fever dreams of a wrathful and uncaring God, even if their shadows do lie 'pon us like weight by day and by night."
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Oxxidation posted:I don't know if it's been said yet, but Nibelheim is one creepy motherfucking town. "Oh, and I almost forgot: Our only source of electrical power is also a source of horrifying monsters. But don't worry; Our Corporate dictatorship is sending their radioactive supermen over to fight the monsters. Try to avoid the dragons, energy blasts, and enormous swords. Play safe, kids!" Nibelheim is the worst loving town. No wonder Cloud is a schizophrenic crossdressing terrorist.
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Did they ever establish what Nibbelhiem was for prior to the Mako reactor and mansion construction? Most of the later places at least allude to some other intent and purpose, a reason why people would live and work there. Even Kalm has the claim of being a peaceful community away from the big giant Megacorp City. All the times I played the game, couldn't ever see a real reason or cause for it apart from what Shinra put in.
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TKMobile posted:Did they ever establish what Nibbelhiem was for prior to the Mako reactor and mansion construction? Most of the later places at least allude to some other intent and purpose, a reason why people would live and work there. Even Kalm has the claim of being a peaceful community away from the big giant Megacorp City. Going by the mountains, I want to say another mining community. There's got to be some kind of ore in that nightmarish mass of stone.
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I've been looking at my old ff7 manual for the psone and something I think this thread might enjoy is the little character bio Sephiroth gets. In contrast to the rest of the characters who get a full body picture/personality description; Sephiroth instead gets a top secret file, a closeup photo of his face (I imagine whoever took said photo is likely dead), and rumors about how awesome he is. Just goes to show how much ff7 likes to hype Sephiroth up as the biggest badass of all time... I don't have a camera at the moment so if anyone else has a camera and a copy of the manual in question, I'd like it if they could take two pictures of the characters bios. One of Cloud/Aeris on the first character page and another of Sephiroth just to see the comparison. Make sure to censor the other characters on Sephiroth's page as well. Then upload it to blah blah whatever and post links in the thread. There isn't any spoilers aside from the characters so Elentor shouldn't have a problem as long as they are censored or cut out of the images. Thanks in advance. On a related note: I was such a goddamn Sephiroth fanboy as a teenager. Not as bad as most but still... I am slightly responsible for ff7 being as hated as it is  I still do like Sephiroth though and I've always found this section of the game to be rather creepy. I never once noticed the vague implications in the scene at the inn that Sephiroth doesn't sleep. That's actually pretty neat.
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Oxxidation posted:Going by the mountains, I want to say another mining community. There's got to be some kind of ore in that nightmarish mass of stone. Logging town? Those mountains look ripe for softwood pines. Guess thats out of the question now though.
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FrancisYorkMorgan posted:I've been looking at my old ff7 manual for the psone and something I think this thread might enjoy is the little character bio Sephiroth gets. In contrast to the rest of the characters who get a full body picture/personality description; Sephiroth instead gets a top secret file, a closeup photo of his face (I imagine whoever took said photo is likely dead), and rumors about how awesome he is. Just goes to show how much ff7 likes to hype Sephiroth up as the biggest badass of all time... I've got that manual too. Looking at the bios, the pictures for everyone except Sephiroth and Barret are just their battle models, so there's no reason to take a picture of them. You could just copy what it says. Sephiroth has his close-up, but Barret's picture is some kind of early version of his battle model. He looks even more like Mr T. and wears a bright orange vest. I wish I could get a picture of that. It also has everyone's birthdays and bloodtypes, for some reason. EDIT: Hey, it's got an ad for Bushido Blade in the back. I loving love that game. cock hero flux fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jul 2, 2011 |
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Yeah, you can probably assume the mountains became that way after the reactor was built. Why Shinra decides to build poo poo where it does is beyond me though. Mako energy hot spots? quote:It also has everyone's birthdays and bloodtypes, for some reason. They loved that poo poo in the 90s for some reason. I remember in the SNES Double Dragon the skeleton dude's blood type was "Dust," which is about as clever as it got.
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Jul 2, 2011 06:48
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zenguitarman posted:They loved that poo poo in the 90s for some reason. I remember in the SNES Double Dragon the skeleton dude's blood type was "Dust," which is about as clever as it got. They still do. It's a Japanese thing. Birthdays let you look at horoscopes for that person, and blood types are supposed to hint at personalities, etc. If you look at something like Hatsune Miku, a fictional singer/synthesizer, even that has a blood type and birthday.
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If Elentor's okay with it, I can post all the bios. Or just the ones for the characters we've already seen.
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Dauntasa posted:If Elentor's okay with it, I can post all the bios. Or just the ones for the characters we've already seen. Feel free to post the bios of the characters we've seen already.
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The manual is pretty awful about spoiling the characters. Yeah, listing common Final Fantasy characters like Cid is fine, and you get most of the characters soon after they show up (if you're not an idiot). However, the manual spoils a character it really shouldn't even be showing, since it gives away a major plot point when the character shows up.
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CLOUD STRIFE JOB: Mercenary (ex-member of SOLDIER) AGE: 21 WEAPON: Sword HEIGHT: 5'7 BIRTHDATE: August 19 BIRTHPLACE: Nibelheim BLOOD TYPE: AB The main character of Final Fantasy VII. Originally a member of SOLDIER, he is now a mercenary who will take any job. After being hired by AVALANCHE, he gradually gets caught up in a massive struggle for the life of the planet. His enormous sword can cut almost anything in two. AERIS GAINSBOROUGH JOB: Flower Merchant AGE: 22 WEAPON: Rod HEIGHT: 5'3 BIRTHDATE: February 7 BIRTHPLACE: Unknown BLOOD TYPE: O Young, beautiful, and somewhat mysterious, Aeris met Cloud while selling flowers on the streets of Midgar. She decided to join him soon after. Her unusual abilities enable her to use magic, but she seems more interested in the deepening love triangle between herself, Cloud, and Tifa. TIFA LOCKHEART JOB: Bar Hostess, AVALANCHE member AGE: 20 WEAPON: Glove HEIGHT: 5'4 BIRTHDATE: May 3 BIRTHPLACE: Nibelheim BLOOD TYPE: B Bright and optimistic, Tifa always cheers up the others when they're down. But don't let her looks fool you, she can decimate almost any enemy with her fists. She is one of the main member of AVALANCHE. She and Cloud were childhood friends, and although she has strong feelings for him, she would never admit it. BARRET WALLACE JOB: Leader of AVALANCHE AGE: 35 WEAPON: Gun-arm HEIGHT: 6'4 BIRTHDATE: December 15 BIRTHPLACE: Corel Village BLOOD TYPE: O Head of the underground resistance movement, AVALANCHE, Barret is fighting the mega-conglomerate Shinra Inc. which has monopolized Mako energy by building special reactors to such it out of the planet. Barret depends on brute strength and his "Gun-arm" to see him through. His wife died in an accident several years ago, and he now lives with his daughter, Marlene. RED XIII JOB: Beast AGE: 48 WEAPON: Headdress HEIGHT: 3'9 BIRTHDATE: Unknown BIRTHPLACE: Cosmo Canyon BLOOD TYPE: unknown Just as his name implies, he is an animal with fire-red fur. But under his fierce exterior is an intelligence surpassing that of any human's. His sharp claws and fangs make him good at close-range fighting, but other than that, not much is known about him. It's not even certain that "Red XII" is his real name. A real enigma. SEPHIROTH JOB: Top ranking SOLDIER officer AGE: Unknown WEAPON: Long Sword HEIGHT: 6'1 BIRTHDATE:Unknown BIRTHPLACE: Unknown BLOOD TYPE: Unknown Even amonst the elite troops of SOLDIER, Sephiroth is known to be the best. His passed is locked away in a confidential file held by Shinra, Inc. His giant sword, which only he can handle, has extremely destructive power. Said to have disappeared in a battle years ago, his current whereabouts are unknown.
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Odd thing I noticed about Aeris' is that it implies that she's the only one who can use magic. I mean, she's got the best magic stat growth, I think, but it makes me wonder if there was some early development build of the game where that was true.
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No, that's more about the Limit Breaks. Aeris is the only character who's limit break is actually "magical" in nature, and there's a reason for this, although it's a spoiler.
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Captain Bravo posted:No, that's more about the Limit Breaks. Aeris is the only character who's limit break is actually "magical" in nature, and there's a reason for this, although it's a spoiler. Bullshit. Blade Beam's plenty magical, I don't think fireballs are a standard feature of gatling guns, I don't remember what any of Red's are called because I never used him much but they all looked magic to me, and Tifa's got that water kick thing. And that's just the ones they already have in the LP. Plus all the characters and limits we haven't seen yet. Hell, I think Cid's the only one who might not have some sort of obviously magic thing. And I don't remember all of his, either. EDIT: Wait a minute, why are we spoilering this? cock hero flux fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Jul 2, 2011 |
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These are some pretty horrible character descriptions.
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Elentor posted:These are some pretty horrible character descriptions. The ones we haven't seen yet aren't a whole lot better.
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In regard to the character bios, I believe I read somewhere that it was intentional that Cloud's blood was AB and Aeris O, the former being "the universal receiver" and the latter "the universal giver" (donation wise). Is this even a spoiler? It can be twisted into one. 
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Landwhale posted:In regard to the character bios, I believe I read somewhere that it was intentional that Cloud's blood was AB and Aeris O, the former being "the universal receiver" and the latter "the universal giver" (donation wise). Is this even a spoiler? It can be twisted into one. Are you implying that Cloud likes to be on the receiving end? I mean, I know that's creepy fanart consensus, but still...
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