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Damon Lindelof posted:There's no rule saying everything in fiction has to be wrapped up perfectly. Some of the best books I've read have unclear endings
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ImpAtom posted:I just realized what this ending really is. !regaey nere 
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Mar 6, 2021 06:05
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I couldn't help myself and read the leaks and now I regret doing so - Mikasa Ackermann, Year 850
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Mar 6, 2021 06:51
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I believe we still deserve an explanation of the following topics:
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Mar 6, 2021 11:04
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The worm represents life as in Zeke's speech in the last chapter. Survival at all costs, drive towards reproduction, willingness to preemptively destroy anything that threatens it. It's fitting that the character that gets to stop it is the guy with a massive death wish.
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Mar 6, 2021 11:04
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I wanna know more about the dream world Mikasa and Eren shared and its relation to Mikasa's headaches which she's had throughout the whole series
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Mar 6, 2021 11:45
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I think the best way for the final chapter to proceed is by doing some kind of narration by Eren that sheds light on his rationale, pasted over a montage of panels showing what's happening to the Scouts, Warriors, Historia, etc., which are otherwise devoid of dialogue. Just tell the rest of that stuff through visuals.
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Mar 6, 2021 12:31
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Beefstew posted:I think the best way for the final chapter to proceed is by doing some kind of narration by Eren that sheds light on his rationale, pasted over a montage of panels showing what's happening to the Scouts, Warriors, Historia, etc., which are otherwise devoid of dialogue. Just tell the rest of that stuff through visuals. This but it's Eren as he appeared in an earlier chapter Paths-ing through time like Dr Manhattan watching and narrating over the bits we missed and actual epilogue events, culminating in the reveal that the final panel is actual a POV shot from Eren's perspective looking at the farmer and child, saying that they are free.
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Mar 6, 2021 16:01
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Eren will be reborn as the baby.
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Mar 6, 2021 16:41
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
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Mar 6, 2021 17:22
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That ending spread!!
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Mar 6, 2021 17:26
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Yeah Mikasa is losing it
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Mar 6, 2021 17:34
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Eren got some 'splainin to do if this is him 'saving Mikasa and Armin' and giving Jean/Connie/Sasha 'long and happy lives'.
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Mar 6, 2021 17:44
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bees x1000 posted:Eren got some 'splainin to do if this is him 'saving Mikasa and Armin' and giving Jean/Connie/Sasha 'long and happy lives'. Not really. If you assume Titans are going to be unTitan'd then everyone but Mikasa is fine and "Mikasa gets to be her own person instead of being Eren's obsessive follower" is probably the best ending she can expect.
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Mar 6, 2021 18:14
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I mean that didn’t really change for her but now she gets to be eternally sad about it
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Mar 6, 2021 19:49
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DaveKap posted:Hey so wtf is going on in this panel? It's the worm moving so hard it slams into Reiner and shatters his face. The whole left part of the panel is the body of the worm. In later panels you can see Reiner positioned like that holding the worm back.
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Mar 6, 2021 19:58
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Cant say I loved the chapter but didint hate it either The way I see it wrapped: Eren and Ymir where working togheter to arrive at that exact moment they are now: the worm is exposed and Eren is defeated The worm will be killed ending titans forever and finally making Ymir free. The eldians, now back to regular humans, will be regarded has the heroes who stopped the armaggedom, against their own kind, defeating big evil Eren (who let himself be defeat for this reason) and the threat of titans Boom, cycle broken, humanity saved (well, most of it), eldians saved and free, Ymir free, world peace achieved, friends alive, Historia can have a regular baby and live a normal life. That was the future Eren saw and show to Grisha, and they both decided this was the best possible outcome for both eldians and the world
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Mar 6, 2021 20:50
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Everyone is titan I do hope we get a really long final chapter to explain everything. I believe in Iseyama being capable of doing it.
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Mar 6, 2021 21:38
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Rhonne posted:Eren will be reborn as the baby. As Mikasa and Jean’s baby. The ultimate punishment.
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Mar 6, 2021 21:49
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Why would beating the worm (lol) revert everyone to human form? This doesn't make much sense to me. The worm didn't invent the titans, it just gave Ymir access to the sand pits, the power to create a new body from the sand, and infinite time to do it. If anything killing the worm would just sever all the paths to Ymir and the sand pits so no new titan bodies or passing down shifter power.
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Mar 6, 2021 22:26
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It wouldn't make sense but you just gotta go with it I guess. Or maybe Falco bird eats the worm and becomes the new founder and does something that way
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Mar 6, 2021 22:33
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Minion of Freya posted:Why would beating the worm (lol) revert everyone to human form? This doesn't make much sense to me. The worm didn't invent the titans, it just gave Ymir access to the sand pits, the power to create a new body from the sand, and infinite time to do it. If anything killing the worm would just sever all the paths to Ymir and the sand pits so no new titan bodies or passing down shifter power. Titans are already loving magic.
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Mar 6, 2021 22:40
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One of my largest criticisms of this final arc is Isayama appears to be playing fast and loose with some of the rules surrounding titans. Stuff like Eren being in the Colossal's mouth rather than its nape (and Mikasa knowing this before seeing it), Falco transforming into a bird titan on his second attempt and maintaining his titan form for several hours after flying across a continent the size of Africa, Zeke's death stopping the Rumbling when Ymir is ostensibly free of the Royal Family mandate, and the shifters being able to transform even though Ymir (who is opposing them) is presumably constructing their bodies. There's still a chapter left where some (preferably all) of this may be explained but it's gonna have to be a doozy of a chapter to answer the most pressing questions left and deliver an emotionally satisfying ending. I'm hoping, like the Uprising Arc, the conclusion will tie things together and these last chapters will be improved upon reread.
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Mar 6, 2021 22:47
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Its magic
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Mar 7, 2021 01:09
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Eustace posted:Its magic Yes, but it makes for poor storytelling to show that magic has certain rules and then just go and ignore those rules.
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Mar 7, 2021 01:56
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Ethiser posted:Yes, but it makes for poor storytelling to show that magic has certain rules and then just go and ignore those rules. I mean literally the entire series has gone "these are the rules of Titans.. EXCEPT WHEN THEY'RE NOT." Every rule they throw about a Titan eventually gets thrown out of the window because nobody actually understands everything about the Titans.
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Mar 7, 2021 02:02
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I dont want Isayama to midichlorian this up
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Mar 7, 2021 02:12
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Ymir is literally smiling when Eren gets beheaded, this was all their plan from the start. Like saying that Ymir and Eren could have just mind controlled their resistance away, kept up the rumbling after zeke got killed, sure they could have, but it wasnt their goal. Someone gaining an ability to fly cross continent to get to them, literally impossible without Ymir allowing it.
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Mar 7, 2021 02:55
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In It For The Tank posted:the shifters being able to transform even though Ymir (who is opposing them) is presumably constructing their bodies. Hasn't this already been addressed by Eren? He explicitly told the Eldians through the path that he could easily mind control them to just let him complete the rumble but he's not gonna do that because that would be robbing them of their freedom? This would extend to allowing them to shift.
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Mar 7, 2021 02:59
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Wait if both Ymir and Eren were out of paths, and Zeke was dead, who built the Colossal Eren?
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Mar 7, 2021 03:14
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Eustace posted:There's no rule saying everything in fiction has to be wrapped up perfectly. Some of the best books I've read have unclear endings
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Mar 7, 2021 03:19
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A lot of those are explained tho, especially Eren being in the mouth, that's just what the Warhammer can do.
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Mar 7, 2021 03:20
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MechaX posted:Wait if both Ymir and Eren were out of paths, and Zeke was dead, who built the Colossal Eren? I blame weird time shenanigans
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Mar 7, 2021 03:20
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Marluxia posted:Hasn't this already been addressed by Eren? He explicitly told the Eldians through the path that he could easily mind control them to just let him complete the rumble but he's not gonna do that because that would be robbing them of their freedom? This would extend to allowing them to shift. That has been said and I don't buy it at all. He (or rather Ymir) chucked a barrage of rocks at their plane as they approached and tried to snipe them out of the air before they even got the chance to fight. How is that any better than taking way their ability to transform? And even if Eren was being truthful here, why would Ymir go along with it when she (presumably) has to build them? "Hey Ymir, you're free to make your own choices now but also I command you to let my friends try and stop us so that you can stay trapped in the Paths for all eternity. Do you mind building two Armors, two Females, a Colossal, a custom Jaws order, and a 1,000 Cart Titans for me?" Like, there's the extradiegetic reason, which is Isayama wanted a climactic final battle and realized that Eren and Ymir are gods who can win instantly if they wanted to. But from an in-universe perspective, I'm hoping for a better answer than what has been offered so far. I expect we'll get one that basically just explains that everything we say was part of The Plan™, made possible by Eren's precognition. It will really just come down to Isayama's writing ability about how satisfying it ends up being. I just dread the answer being "Eren wanted to lose". Saagonsa posted:A lot of those are explained tho, especially Eren being in the mouth, that's just what the Warhammer can do. If it was the Warhammer's power, why wasn't he in a protective crystal like Lara Tybur was? Why would he chose the mouth as the location rather than... basically anywhere you can imagine? How did Mikasa know he was in there? In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Mar 7, 2021 |
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Mar 7, 2021 03:22
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In It For The Tank posted:That has been said and I don't buy it at all. He (or rather Ymir) chucked a barrage of rocks at their plane as they approached and tried to snipe them out of the air before they even got the chance to fight. How is that any better than taking way their ability to transform? I don't think Ymir is going to be trapped again win or lose.
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Mar 7, 2021 03:24
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In It For The Tank posted:That has been said and I don't buy it at all. He (or rather Ymir) chucked a barrage of rocks at their plane as they approached and tried to snipe them out of the air before they even got the chance to fight. How is that any better than taking way their ability to transform? Did you not read the part where Eren very explicitly said "I will not take your freedom to fight me away from you"? Like, that's kind of Eren's whole Thing.
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Mar 7, 2021 03:24
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Saagonsa posted:Did you not read the part where Eren very explicitly said "I will not take your freedom to fight me away from you"? Like, that's kind of Eren's whole Thing. Because there appears to be a discrepancy between what Eren said and what he did (/is doing). I acknowledge that Eren said it, I just don't believe he was telling the truth. Or not the whole truth.
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Mar 7, 2021 03:28
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In It For The Tank posted:Because there appears to be a discrepancy between what Eren said and what he did (/is doing). I acknowledge that Eren said it, I just don't believe he was telling the truth. Or not the whole truth. He's not going to take away their ability to fight through the use of paths, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to fight back. I don't see how that's a discrepancy at all.
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Mar 7, 2021 03:30
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Saagonsa posted:Did you not read the part where Eren very explicitly said "I will not take your freedom to fight me away from you"? Like, that's kind of Eren's whole Thing. There is the disconnect between Eren's stated motivations, actual? motivations and actions this entire arc. Eren apparently has the conviction to genocide the entire world and kill, by his own admission, millions of innocent people. Why? We're lead to believe by his words that it was the only way to protect Paradis and prevent Historia from being sacrificed. And yet somehow, despite having the godlike powers of the founding titan, he allows himself to be beaten. That's the only explanation that makes sense. Except that it doesn't, because he didn't want to do the rumbling in the first place, so going thru with it halfway and stopping seems even more pointless. Even with him willingly refusing to ensure his victory via mind control (which is strange because he definitely had no problem offering it to Historia), he still could have used basically any other titan power to prevent them from killing him. Crystallization, hiding underground, Reiner's bullshit transfer thing, or whatever. You can't seriously believe that if you stacked up the founding titan vs a couple a shifters and Ackermans, that the latter group would win quite easily. All of this is not even mentioning the future memories part of this which makes the above make even less sense.
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mightygerm posted:There is the disconnect between Eren's stated motivations, actual? motivations and actions this entire arc. I mean the most obvious and likely answer is "The vision of the future he saw required the Rumbling to be started and then fail to assure the outcome he wanted". The most likely answer is that them killing Eren helps temper the world's anger enough that the island doesn't get glassed.
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