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Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Bifauxnen posted:

Even before the ending, AoT had its low points... like the repeated absolute bullshit of the Cart Titan when it first appeared.

What was that? I dont remember

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serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.


I can't believe it just keeps getting worse.

Bisse
Jun 26, 2005

*gets hit by truck*


Proud to be a part of the global Anti-Genocide movement

hatty
Feb 28, 2011




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At first I thought genocide was cool and good but now I see

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012





hatty posted:

At first I thought genocide was cool and good but now I see

"As a writer, I make my own rules up, okay. If I wanna start a sentence with a full-stop I will. If I want to highlight social prejudice, I will, but I'll do it my way. And sometimes you actually have to be a bigot, in order to bring down bigger bigots."

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

The story was very cool and I enjoyed most of the ride, but to say he wrote a perfect narrative and intentionally hosed it up is to be blind to all the little plot holes and rear end pulls throughout the series. In his defense, most these only appear in hindsight, but they're still there. I think I mentioned these in the anime thread ages ago, and was told that I should just be patient by manga readers because all would be explained (it wasn't! ). The biggest issue starts after the basement and time skip, but that's not the only places where he wrote himself into corners or didn't think things through.

The entire back half of season 3 with Bert/Reiner/Zeke vs the Scouts is some of the most exciting poo poo in the story and it also makes no sense at all when you know WHO the enemy really is. As soon as the warriors located the host for the Coordinate the need to be stealthy was over. Marley had no reason to keep dressing up their dudes in medieval outfits and slap goddamn wooden crates onto the Cart. We literally saw Marley troops dressed in full chemical weapon gear as far inland as Connie's village. We know that Marley could get their human troops that far in. We know that Marley knew Eren was coming to seal the gates. They could have slapped a goddamn panzer unit on the Cart, dropped gas bombs on the whole city and wiped out the Scouts with machine guns, and captured Eren without needing to gently caress around with a silly game of Titan chess. I mean, it was fun as gently caress to watch, but it doesn't really make sense.

That's just one of many things that stand out (Bert's nuke, Ymir being unnecessarily coy) as not making sense if you actually know the big secret.

In It For The Tank
Feb 17, 2011

But I've yet to figure out a better way to spend my time.


Remember Paradis was still infested with titans during the Battle of Shiganshina. There is a limit to how much of an army Marley could mobilize, especially when it is implied that conventional armies were wholly unprepared to fight titans until the creation of anti-titan weaponry four years later.

Marley could only bring as many people as Zeke and Pieck could transport/escort, which seems to have been one squad with enough gas to titanize one village. During the Battle of Shiganshina, it looks like they only brought Eldian cannon fodder for Zeke to transform into titans.

I don't know much about dirigibles, but I assume you can't just land them anywhere. And an aerial bombardment would risk killing Eren.

The story has bullshit in it, but I think it's mostly relegated to the final arc.

In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jun 8, 2021

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang

We could probably argue back and forth about the tactical realism of catching Eren, but my overall point was that a large nation state with early 20th century weaponry, which considered capturing the Coordinate as its foremost military objective could probably have figured out some way to capture Eren that didn't depend on Zeke throwing boulders. They had a fair amount of time between the end of season 2 and the back half of season 3 to set a trap, but the plot required that we have no clue this was a 20th century world so we ended up with Zeke using a very primitive trap (which was cool as gently caress) because the audience needed to be fooled (but there was no reason for Zeke to actually want to hide technology from the Scouts).

EDIT: The whole point of bring stealthy was because they didn't know where The King was, and they wanted to surprise him. Once they knew the Coordinate was in the hands of a clueless child AND he was coming right to them, stealth wasn't really a concern anymore.

I'm not even saying that they need to bring an army, but the loving Cart could carry a tank on its back for crying out loud.

Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jun 8, 2021

Eej
Jun 17, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 25 minutes!


This is a weird take tbh. The Marleyans had a regular garrison on the shore of Paradis yeah but there's no indication that Zeke was getting anything more than just regular resupply from them. If memory serves, the whole mission to capture the Coordinate was his plan and as an Eldian he didn't have the full backing of the Marleyan military. Very much a "take the Warriors with you but that's it" kind of situation. The failure of the mission is what led to the 5 year world war afterwards which is plenty of time to explain the creation of the Cart tank technology as well as anti-Titan weaponry and heavy machine guns. WW1 lasted the same period after all.

Gantolandon
Aug 19, 2012



Anonymous Zebra posted:

The story was very cool and I enjoyed most of the ride, but to say he wrote a perfect narrative and intentionally hosed it up is to be blind to all the little plot holes and rear end pulls throughout the series. In his defense, most these only appear in hindsight, but they're still there. I think I mentioned these in the anime thread ages ago, and was told that I should just be patient by manga readers because all would be explained (it wasn't! ). The biggest issue starts after the basement and time skip, but that's not the only places where he wrote himself into corners or didn't think things through.

The entire back half of season 3 with Bert/Reiner/Zeke vs the Scouts is some of the most exciting poo poo in the story and it also makes no sense at all when you know WHO the enemy really is. As soon as the warriors located the host for the Coordinate the need to be stealthy was over. Marley had no reason to keep dressing up their dudes in medieval outfits and slap goddamn wooden crates onto the Cart. We literally saw Marley troops dressed in full chemical weapon gear as far inland as Connie's village. We know that Marley could get their human troops that far in. We know that Marley knew Eren was coming to seal the gates. They could have slapped a goddamn panzer unit on the Cart, dropped gas bombs on the whole city and wiped out the Scouts with machine guns, and captured Eren without needing to gently caress around with a silly game of Titan chess. I mean, it was fun as gently caress to watch, but it doesn't really make sense.

That's just one of many things that stand out (Bert's nuke, Ymir being unnecessarily coy) as not making sense if you actually know the big secret.

At this point they knew that the king lost the Founding Titan, which not only means the Vow of Peace is dead, there's also no one to keep Paradis in forced medieval stasis. It makes sense that they didn't want to paint a target on themselves, especially that at this point they were convinced that Eren can initiate Rumbling at any point.

Kritzkrieg Kop
Nov 4, 2009


He gazed up at the Colossal Titan manga cover. Twelve years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the exposed teeth. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two shochu-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved genocide.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.


Aren't we overdue another 6 pages of nonsense to make the ending even worse?

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hatty
Feb 28, 2011




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They came out and shifted the shittiness neither one way or the other

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