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Bifauxnen posted:Even before the ending, AoT had its low points... like the repeated absolute bullshit of the Cart Titan when it first appeared. What was that? I dont remember
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I can't believe it just keeps getting worse.
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Jun 8, 2021 21:29
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Proud to be a part of the global Anti-Genocide movement
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Jun 8, 2021 21:36
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At first I thought genocide was cool and good but now I see
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hatty posted:At first I thought genocide was cool and good but now I see "As a writer, I make my own rules up, okay. If I wanna start a sentence with a full-stop I will. If I want to highlight social prejudice, I will, but I'll do it my way. And sometimes you actually have to be a bigot, in order to bring down bigger bigots."
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Jun 8, 2021 22:01
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The story was very cool and I enjoyed most of the ride, but to say he wrote a perfect narrative and intentionally hosed it up is to be blind to all the little plot holes and rear end pulls throughout the series. In his defense, most these only appear in hindsight, but they're still there. I think I mentioned these in the anime thread ages ago, and was told that I should just be patient by manga readers because all would be explained (it wasn't! ). The biggest issue starts after the basement and time skip, but that's not the only places where he wrote himself into corners or didn't think things through. The entire back half of season 3 with Bert/Reiner/Zeke vs the Scouts is some of the most exciting poo poo in the story and it also makes no sense at all when you know WHO the enemy really is. As soon as the warriors located the host for the Coordinate the need to be stealthy was over. Marley had no reason to keep dressing up their dudes in medieval outfits and slap goddamn wooden crates onto the Cart. We literally saw Marley troops dressed in full chemical weapon gear as far inland as Connie's village. We know that Marley could get their human troops that far in. We know that Marley knew Eren was coming to seal the gates. They could have slapped a goddamn panzer unit on the Cart, dropped gas bombs on the whole city and wiped out the Scouts with machine guns, and captured Eren without needing to gently caress around with a silly game of Titan chess. I mean, it was fun as gently caress to watch, but it doesn't really make sense. That's just one of many things that stand out (Bert's nuke, Ymir being unnecessarily coy) as not making sense if you actually know the big secret.
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Remember Paradis was still infested with titans during the Battle of Shiganshina. There is a limit to how much of an army Marley could mobilize, especially when it is implied that conventional armies were wholly unprepared to fight titans until the creation of anti-titan weaponry four years later. Marley could only bring as many people as Zeke and Pieck could transport/escort, which seems to have been one squad with enough gas to titanize one village. During the Battle of Shiganshina, it looks like they only brought Eldian cannon fodder for Zeke to transform into titans. I don't know much about dirigibles, but I assume you can't just land them anywhere. And an aerial bombardment would risk killing Eren. The story has bullshit in it, but I think it's mostly relegated to the final arc. In It For The Tank fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 8, 2021 |
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Jun 8, 2021 22:21
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We could probably argue back and forth about the tactical realism of catching Eren, but my overall point was that a large nation state with early 20th century weaponry, which considered capturing the Coordinate as its foremost military objective could probably have figured out some way to capture Eren that didn't depend on Zeke throwing boulders. They had a fair amount of time between the end of season 2 and the back half of season 3 to set a trap, but the plot required that we have no clue this was a 20th century world so we ended up with Zeke using a very primitive trap (which was cool as gently caress) because the audience needed to be fooled (but there was no reason for Zeke to actually want to hide technology from the Scouts). EDIT: The whole point of bring stealthy was because they didn't know where The King was, and they wanted to surprise him. Once they knew the Coordinate was in the hands of a clueless child AND he was coming right to them, stealth wasn't really a concern anymore. I'm not even saying that they need to bring an army, but the loving Cart could carry a tank on its back for crying out loud. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 9, 2021 |
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Jun 9, 2021 00:03
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This is a weird take tbh. The Marleyans had a regular garrison on the shore of Paradis yeah but there's no indication that Zeke was getting anything more than just regular resupply from them. If memory serves, the whole mission to capture the Coordinate was his plan and as an Eldian he didn't have the full backing of the Marleyan military. Very much a "take the Warriors with you but that's it" kind of situation. The failure of the mission is what led to the 5 year world war afterwards which is plenty of time to explain the creation of the Cart tank technology as well as anti-Titan weaponry and heavy machine guns. WW1 lasted the same period after all.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:The story was very cool and I enjoyed most of the ride, but to say he wrote a perfect narrative and intentionally hosed it up is to be blind to all the little plot holes and rear end pulls throughout the series. In his defense, most these only appear in hindsight, but they're still there. I think I mentioned these in the anime thread ages ago, and was told that I should just be patient by manga readers because all would be explained (it wasn't! ). The biggest issue starts after the basement and time skip, but that's not the only places where he wrote himself into corners or didn't think things through. At this point they knew that the king lost the Founding Titan, which not only means the Vow of Peace is dead, there's also no one to keep Paradis in forced medieval stasis. It makes sense that they didn't want to paint a target on themselves, especially that at this point they were convinced that Eren can initiate Rumbling at any point.
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He gazed up at the Colossal Titan manga cover. Twelve years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the exposed teeth. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two shochu-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved genocide.
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Jun 10, 2021 01:07
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Aren't we overdue another 6 pages of nonsense to make the ending even worse?
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They came out and shifted the shittiness neither one way or the other
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I waited patiently for the English physical release of the last volume, and managed to somehow avoid all spoilers, so I just read the ending yesterday. It is remarkable how many parallels there are between AoT’s ending situation and Homestuck’s. (Not counting the latter’s epilogues or Homestuck^2, which I haven’t read and aren’t canon anyway.) Both stories introduce a huge shakeup at a mid-late point in the story – AoT with the basement reveal and timeskip, and Homestuck with the Scratch. Both of these shakeups result in a huge number of new characters being introduced late in the game. Both stories culminate in a climactic hUgE ePiC fInAl BaTtLe that ultimately feels a little hollow and toothless. And finally, both proceed to wrap things up way way too quickly and unsatisfyingly immediately after that battle. In order to understand these narrative mishaps, we should keep in mind that the genre to which both of these stories belong – the Ontological Mystery-Focused Fantasy Epic – is still a relatively new one. As far as I know, the first example of this genre is ASOIAF, which is less than thirty years old (unless you count Dune, but I consider that more of a proto-example). Even worse, the genre didn’t even get that popular until the TV series Lost started airing, which was less than twenty years ago. And of course, Lost arguably didn’t provide a particularly exemplary blueprint for how to write a good ontological mystery. Further stifling this genre’s development is the fact that it’s so drat difficult to write, since there’s so goddamn much you need to keep track of in order to make everything work. This means that relatively few authors even attempt to write stories in the genre, which further hinders the rate at which it can accumulate a canon of works from which to draw inspiration. As far as I know, there is only one example of a work in this vein that has completely nailed the landing – the web novel Worm. Here’s hoping that future authors in this genre are able to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors. A lot of people in this thread are hoping for a TV original ending. But in my experience, Japanese media productions do not give what single flying gently caress what Western fans think – only Japanese fans. So I think the only hope of an original ending would be if the reception from Japanese fans has been as harsh as it has among western ones. Does anyone know if that’s the case?
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God what a way to tank a good series. Just some clownshoes writing
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Izzhov posted:I waited patiently for the English physical release of the last volume, and managed to somehow avoid all spoilers, so I just read the ending yesterday. Was AOT ever that big in Japan compared to how bonkers popular it was internationally? Like yeah it was number 1 for a while and there was that wave of ripoffs but it really was something else on the weeb side of things.
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mycot posted:Was AOT ever that big in Japan compared to how bonkers popular it was internationally? Like yeah it was number 1 for a while and there was that wave of ripoffs but it really was something else on the weeb side of things. ye https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-04-13/attack-on-titan-finale-leads-to-magazine-issue-selling-out-and-getting-2nd-printing/.171689
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mycot posted:Was AOT ever that big in Japan compared to how bonkers popular it was internationally? Like yeah it was number 1 for a while and there was that wave of ripoffs but it really was something else on the weeb side of things. How do you think the series got popular in the first place? Aot is probably even more popular in Japan.
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Oct 23, 2021 20:56
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Theres not many anime/manga series that are popular in the west but unpopular in Japan. Thats a thing that usually happens to games not anime.
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Sometimes they temporarily re-theme areas and rides at Universal Studios Japan to AOT. They only do that for hot properties like Demon Slayer, or classics like Detective Conan and Sailor Moon. Here's an example of AOT theming from February 2020, which features life-size character displays, SO much merchandise, and the pre-show for a reskinned indoor roller coaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tJEJcJqxZ8
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Pththya-lyi posted:Sometimes they temporarily re-theme areas and rides at Universal Studios Japan to AOT. They only do that for hot properties like Demon Slayer, or classics like Detective Conan and Sailor Moon. Here's an example of AOT theming from February 2020, which features life-size character displays, SO much merchandise, and the pre-show for a reskinned indoor roller coaster: lol that’s intense, too bad they can’t film what they’re seeing in the vr glasses. Also drat, February of 2020. Right before the world fell apart.
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https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1457493879003963398
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gently caress this man.
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Fascists love this poo poo
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we live in an onion hellworld
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That video is even worse than it might seem at a glance if you keep watching it. Literally directly comparing Haitian refugees to titans.
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So can Rep. Gosar transform himself into an undocumented immigrant, or
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Thank you Rep. Gosar for comitting mass murder for us.
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Nov 10, 2021 02:21
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looks like the fascist coward deleted his video
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I've seen people on twitter claiming Isayama denied the Rape of Nanking but don't see anything myself when I look. Anyone have any idea what they might be going on about?
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Flesnolk posted:I've seen people on twitter claiming Isayama denied the Rape of Nanking but don't see anything myself when I look. Anyone have any idea what they might be going on about? There's a private twitter account that some people are convinced is Isayama which has some screenshotted tweets denying Japanese war crimes, but this has never been confirmed as being his account. There's also a popular Polygon article which cites a blogpost about this, without mentioning the unconfirmed thing at all.
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It's bullshit just like how the same article claimed that the guy who was the inspiration for Pixis did war crimes in WW2 - despite him dying before WW2 even started. They posted the same exact article with no changes again when the last season came out too. Just bad all around.
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Well you couldn't land an ending if you had a gun to your head and were probably playing it by ear the whole time but you made millions and inspired fortress fascists and school shooters a whole continent away. Nice going, rear end in a top hat 
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Office Pig posted:Well you couldn't land an ending if you had a gun to your head and were probably playing it by ear the whole time but you made millions and inspired fortress fascists and school shooters a whole continent away. I don't think that's very accurate at all
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Office Pig posted:Well you couldn't land an ending if you had a gun to your head and were probably playing it by ear the whole time but you made millions and inspired fortress fascists and school shooters a whole continent away. What
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He's right and should say it
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Nov 10, 2021 22:04
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I was more asking about the “inspired fortress fascists and school shooters a whole continent away.” part
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I don't think it's right to say AoT inspired school shooters in any way 
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what else would you call eren fans
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