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Serious question regarding the latest manga chapter: Who here DOESN'T think Eren is going to flip the gently caress out and get people killed?
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That was some climactic rear end poo poo I think that'd make a good ending for anime season 2
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Oct 5, 2013 06:35
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Captain Invictus posted:Aren't the author's political beliefs kinda hosed up? While a military coup might seem like a terrible thing in general, when the fictional military is filled with all the cool characters and the fictional government is a bunch of corrupt greedy cloak and dagger shitbirds, it's pretty justified. See also: LoGH. Plus, it's a monarchy. gently caress them!
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Sep 9, 2014 07:53
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I just read the chapter and one point of those spoilers isn't true. Eren turns Titan and takes a bite out of his Dad AFTER the mysterious injection. At least, I think that's what happened. Isayama isn't exactly a top notch comics artist/storyteller, although he's good at coming up with story ideas I like the part with Erwin and the judge guy realizing that ideals and poo poo are hunky dory, but really it all comes down to personal ego
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Oct 8, 2014 18:49
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SIE SIND DAS ESSEN WIR BIN DER SPINNER
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Nov 3, 2014 19:51
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Wow, Zacklay is a loving weirdo, yall
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Nov 7, 2014 14:18
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Whatever the situation is with the Titan infiltrators, I'm pretty sure that they aren't in the position of being fully responsible for their actions. Reiner was nuttier than a Payday bar and Bert seemed to constantly teeter on the edge of an anxiety attack. I mean, whoever sent them may have legitimate grievances with the society inside the walls, but they're clearly not noble freedom fighters raging against the corrupt totalitarian regime because they sent a pair (trio?) of mentally verklempt children who could barely keep their heads on straight to do their dirty work. Actually, thinking about the impression the big hairy ape and B&R give off, we might be looking at a setup for a comparison between the corruption in "civilized society" vs the degradation and savagery and unpleasantness of a straight up survival-of-the-fittest biggest dick calls the shots anarchy.
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Dec 8, 2014 01:32
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I really doubt Levi or Mikasa are going anywhere because they are the Thor and Hulk of the Survey Corps Avengers. They might not make for interesting characterization or plot, but without them everyone else would die (especially Eren!), and the action scenes would be way more boring. Speaking of which I am positively drooling at the idea of seeing this episode animated
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Dec 8, 2014 03:04
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That sweaty guy started acting the way that mid boss that eventually rises to the position of last boss should in this chapter, frankly I don't necessarily think it'll happen, but if he's doing all this horrible poo poo out of a nihilistic sense of "Everything is terrible so I might as well follow this lovely agenda" he makes a good contrast to the Survey Corps and their struggle against the status quo. Combine that with the fact that he's responsible for Eren's mom being dead and voila~
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Feb 9, 2016 11:59
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Why is Annie called "The Female Titan" if there are clearly female titans, like the broad-shouldered, barrel-chested woman with a Black Hole Sun smile in this issue. Really Annie's unique trait is she's "The Female Titan That Actually Has Breasts." The Japanese is 女型 which is literally "Woman-Type" i.e. she's physiotypically female so that's what they call her I'm not sure if physiotypical is even a word though. My spellcheck doesn't think it is.
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Apr 9, 2016 08:30
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It's funny, I've only watched like 1.5 episodes of Total Eclipse (garbage) and Schwarzesmarken (Kind of garbage, but in an enjoyable way, sorta like Black Lagoon with politics and alien bugs) and it's strange. I'm totally in love with the Muv Luv setting. The premise is neat, the timeline of the invasion is neat, the designs for everything but the characters themselves are neat... ...But I have no desire to play the games. VNs are bad, and the notion of having to play through a lovely gal game, and then a bad end to get to the real ending makes me question the sanity of people who enjoy the genre. The ultimate Muv Luv anime would be a shockingly well animated 10 episodes long in the vein of those history documentary episodes of LOGH, except instead of doughy white dudes all the ladies talking about past events would be women with candy colored hair Oh, uh, that chapter was okay. The twist was predictable. I like how freaked out Armin is at the notion of his life being saved instead of Erwin's.
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Sep 9, 2016 02:58
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bondster posted:I'm not yet sold on the OP song but the visuals (ESPECIALLY the ED) are the most that T-Rex might be my favorite thing about this entire media franchise animal titans when?
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Apr 1, 2017 20:30
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There Bias Two posted:Wait, wasn't it mentioned that the Titans are really, really light for their size? That would probably make them ineffective for a kinetic bombardment. Light for their size doesn't mean they're light as a feather. They probably wouldn't be able to do as much damage as they do if that were the case. A male adult killer whale weighs about 5-6 tons, at a length of about 6 meters. Even if it weighed half that, you could do a lot of damage dropping them out of a plane. And they take up less space than bombs!
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Apr 8, 2017 17:56
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Y'know before I was pretty convinced that the whole "Reiner is going to defect/encourage defecting in order to free the Eldians" was the direction things are going in but the brainwashing by Marley seems a little too thorough for that to be viable. At least, without a real come to Jesus meeting between the more open minded Eldians and the islanders. Maybe he if he works with foreign powers to bring down Marley in exchange for Eldian liberation? That seems crazy but who knows whether or not the rest of the world views the Titans themselves as a scourge or if they recognize that Marley are the ones using them militarily
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Jun 7, 2017 20:41
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I had a thought earlier: do we ever get any confirmation that the Titans really dominated the continent for a thousand years or whatever, like it said in Grisha's letters? I really wouldn't put it past Marley to basically come up with a bullshit excuse for using the Eldians as expendable resources, especially if they had access to the memory rewrite powers (prior to the Reiss family going to Paradis) Not that I wouldn't put it past the ancestors of our cast, but much like in real life, I have a hard time taking anything that lovely jerks say at face value
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Jun 8, 2017 09:27
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This chapter makes it sound a bit like there's going to be a setup to make the Paradisians look like they're responsible for an international incident, which might be an excellent opportunity for an incognito Eren to intervene and throw egg all over Marley's face. Like, in political terms, the world is pissed off at Marley because they're the ones using the Titans as superweapons. Their beef with Paradis is hundreds of years old, which is long enough for even the most firey outrage to cool off. It might seem a little cut and dry as a solution goes, but if they can expose a Marleyan attempt to kill a bunch of diplomats as a means of constructing a pretense for invasion, they might be able to guarantee a meager degree of safety for any Eldians who have the sense to defect. or maybe i've been reading too much kingdom
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Jul 7, 2017 01:32
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Gantolandon posted:I recently tried to understand warrior/soldier dichotomy as presented and it seems to me that its translation made it a bit unclear. When presented in these words, it seems like the infiltrator trio were some plucky irregulars as opposed to parts of organized military - the manga clearly proved it's not the case. The words used in Japanese original are "senshi" and "heishi". Both are used to present a person who fights in a war, but when the latter means your usual schmuck given a weapon and told to kill enemies, the former is a bit more similar to an elite fighter or a war hero. It's someone brave and courageous who lives to fight and is ready to take insane sacrifices to defeat the enemy. Which makes perfect sense given who Berthold, Reiner and Annie are - they gave up everything, including a possibility to live normal lives, for their country. They are the perfect fascist soldiers. The twist is that Marley secured their loyalty by filling them with self-hate, ensuring they are not able to live normal lives and holding their families hostage. I think it's just meant to indicate that the Eldian warriors under Marley's direction are an irregular force with a limited hierarchy (with Zeke seemingly being the most heavily indoctrinated, so he's the one who keeps an eye on the others and calls the shots) whereas the army inside the walls is... uh, an army. Just another part of how THE MAN is keeping the Eldian brothers and sisters down. Soldiers are officially recognized employees of a legitimate governing body. Designating the Titan shifters as "warriors" really gives the impression of 1) Eldians aren't a real part of society so they're kept separated from everyone else even when serving the same purpose (fighting wars) 2) The Titans are just weapons, not troops. Throw them at the enemy and that'll do. Don't give them a rank, don't give them pay or benefits above a minimum level, and don't give them any ideas about being able to further their station in life beyond "slightly less oppressed" To put it differently, the Titan snifters are government sponsored terrorists and Zeke is the CIA agent managing the whole nightmarish enterprise
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Jul 8, 2017 04:49
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In a way, Warhammer and Zeke spilling the beans on the "truth" right before whatever happens happens is just gonna make it easier for the Islanders to make this work for them, in terms of information warfare. Sort of a "WHAT ELSE HAVE THEY BEEN LYING ABOUT?" deal where they can point out, rightfully, that Marley has been trying to retrieve the Titan powers to use in war instead of "bring an end to the dastardly scourage of robble robble robble" This is assuming they have a plan beyond killing everybody. Between Armin, Hange, and Levi I'd like to think they'd know better than to just wage a war for fun and revenge. OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Nov 7, 2017 06:02
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This is probably a premature thing to say since I can't real Hangul, but I'm kinda disappointed. I was hoping we'd get to find out what exactly the gameplan is other than... the obvious part of it. That being said, the way that he apparently waited for a literal declaration of war before making his move makes has made me relieved in the "Please don't just be doing some harebrained revenge poo poo Eren" department
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Dec 6, 2017 16:49
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At this point the only characters I have any hope for, in terms of them not living life waist deep in blood as a brutal killer... I guess Falco? Gabi seems a little too gung ho, she might be too far gone already.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:19
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Haven't people been reading pro-fascist tendencies into this series for a long time now? Adding an ethnic spin on that doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. While there's pretty obviously some Nazi-regime inspired gimmickery around the story of the Eldians and the Marleyans I don't know how you can look at it and go "THE ELDIANS ARE BEING MADE TO LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUYS AND ISAYAMA THINKS THEY DESERVE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWS" when the first 22 books in what is currently a 25 book series are 100% sympathetic to the rebel Paradisians with no ambiguity at all. And it's not like that changes after the timeskip, it just gets more complicated.
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Apr 28, 2018 08:31
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The question of what really happened in the past is a kinda interesting one to me, because the presence of the Titans and their powers adds an element of myth that just murks up the already-tends-to-be-murky nature of history. I don't doubt that the first inheritors of the Titans reacted to their superhuman abilities by going "Y'know what'd be great?! Total domination over all other peoples!" but all this poo poo about a divine blessing and King Fritz willingly deciding to just gently caress off to an island out of the goodness of his heart and whatnot is probably about as true as titans having scoured all of mankind except for the inhabitants within the walls And I don't think anyone is saying that Paradisians are saints. I kinda don't see how they could be, considering they've been living inside a deeply militarized pressure cooker under assault by giant zombies ruled by a bona-fide secret police-equipped conspiracy for a few hundred years. But at the end of the day, this conflict basically boils down to "The people who want to be free" VS "The people who want to murder and/or enslave all the people who want to be free"
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Apr 30, 2018 02:09
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If it goes that way, sure But it'd be pretty stupid of them to jeopardize any chance they have at the freedom they're so hungry for by picking a fight with the entire world Even Eren isn't that stupid. Once he's convinced that the fight against Marley is over, he'd probably spend the rest of his short life getting bullied by Mikasa into some sad parody of domesticity
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Apr 30, 2018 02:29
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After finally reading the official TL of the chapter, I got the feeling that however the story shakes out at the end, any of the core cast who survives are going to wander off into the wilderness and spend the rest of their life living like how Rambo does between movies Eren won't be one of them, though. He's resigned himself to whatever small satisfaction he gets from satisfying whatever vague concept of revenge still exists in that simple brain of his at this point.
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May 9, 2018 23:13
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With better knowledge of the full situation, I don't think Eren is quite as stupid as I initially thought he was for launching his little solo mission. Considering the the existing plan seems to amount to using Titans as deterrents (which they don't actually have a mastery of) until Paradis can modernize, and in the meantime they do the same heinous poo poo the old guys in charge were doing, the reaction of "NAH gently caress THAT" is a bit more justified. Granted, he may have made things worse by going off and launching a solo attack, but y'know, at least I can see that he did it for a reason other than "RARGH VENGEANCE"
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Jul 10, 2018 13:44
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Ccs posted:I also think it’s a bit dangerous to keep drawing comparisons between fiction and reality. The author has clearly taken inspiration from both Japanese history and the plight of Jewish people and mashed it up a bit. But it’s more interesting to judge the actions of these characters in their environment instead of trying to figure if the work is some ploy to further nationalistic ambitions in the real world, or has a direct analogue, etc. I think another factor is that it's hard to say what the point is since the story isn't over yet. Given all the mutations it's gone through from back when it was just a story about "We want freedom from flesh-eating giants" there's no telling what note it'll end on Of course, that means it could have some hosed up ending too, whether the hosed up part is some questionable real life thematic stuff or just ending on a super nihilistic and depressing note.
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Feb 17, 2019 08:22
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Tenzarin posted:Lol, that last set of panels. I have no idea what to expect but drat that was so weird to see happen. I think Reiner is just done mentally, and is solely motivated out of a sense of guilt/obligation at this point Conversely, something about Eren in this chapter made me 100% sure that he hasn't been taken in by Zeke. The idea of being this fired up, this fierce about a plan that basically amounts to "no more babies" seems too incongruous, even for someone who's head has always been stupid and mixed up.
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May 11, 2019 15:12
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Something about the latest chapter gives me a real strong "This could actually end within a year or so" vibe. Eren's agenda is going to be revealed soon, which will either be the climax/coincide with the climax, and then there'll probably be a bit of fallout and epilogue, that'll be that also man zeke really gives that "I threw a rock at him" line from Batman the Animated Series a new connotation
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Jun 6, 2019 08:35
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Is Gabi what Tomino was trying to do with Quess? Because if she is, Isayama is a lot better at war stories than he is
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Jul 4, 2019 18:47
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This chapter reminds me of the part in Muv Luv where Shirogane and sexy doctor were talking about alternate dimension cause and effect while driving down the highway
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Sep 6, 2019 15:33
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So people predicted the broad strokes of this turn, but not the particulars, which gives me hope for the actual ending at this point Because how do you destroy a rotten status quo? Other than with giant-induced earthquakes that will just get blamed on a specific population, I mean If he cares enough about freedom to ascend to the astral plain in order to help a progenitor titan shake off her 2000 year old mental shackles, I doubt he's going to just kill everybody. Death ain't freedom! Unless you choose to die
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Oct 4, 2019 22:55
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So is the big question at this point who is going to drop the hammer on Eren? Likely canidates include Gabi (another turn on the wheel) Armin (kinda his job), Jean (I'd like it), Mikasa (Seems dubious) and now Levi (hell of a final act) and Annie (Pretty good "redemption")
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Jan 7, 2020 03:15
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Mulva posted:I mean the most controversial would be "Eren literally wipes out all life outside the island and it actually makes things better". Define "better" in this case, because even putting aside the culpability of nations that aren't Marley and their allies, I'm pretty sure that the Titans aren't just gonna magically smoosh only human beings with selectively permeable feet, so it'd be a pretty severe geological disaster too
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Mar 5, 2020 10:18
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That poster for the final season is some good poo poo
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May 29, 2020 15:32
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