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Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012


colonelslime posted:

"How will you reduce the deficit?"

"Coupons, and going to the dollar store"

America needs to become a coupon queen.

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Shasta Orange Soda
Apr 24, 2007


Does Boeing have double coupon day? If so, we should only buy F-22 Raptors on Tuesdays.

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008




Shasta Orange Soda posted:

Does Boeing have double coupon day? If so, we should only buy F-22 Raptors on Tuesdays.

Can't we just make a bunch of fighter jets and freeze them? That way we can use them for the whole month.

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Not to flog a dead horse, but these kinds of casual misunderstandings are what contribute directly to intentional or unintentional racism and arguments that the Native Americans were somehow more "primitive" than the Europeans.

Install Gentoo posted:

Not for small loads. Like I said, wheelbarrows and handcarts are completely useful with only human power, even today! Rickshaws too. It's undoubtable that given enough time the native americans would have developed small, man-powered, wheeled transport. It would merely have required developing sturdy enough axles and wheels.

History matters, and this is a prime example of how.

The wheels on Mormon handcarts were the end result of centuries of technological advancement resulting specifically from the development and use of wheels on vehicles pulled by draft animals. They would not have been possible if the Mormons had been forced to use anything like early wheels (wooden disks).

Lacking domesticated draft animals, the trajectory of development of wheels light and strong enough to work efficiently on handcarts - and more importantly, to work more efficiently than the travois, baskets carried on the back on even on the head, or a variety of other ways of transporting things - didn't exist in the New World. There was simply no impetus to develop wheels for transportation at any point, and so that is an area of technology that was under-utilized.

And to remind you that the wheel and axle were independently developed in the New World, here:


Apologies for the derail.

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

SteveVizsla posted:

quote:

individual rights... We the People... our liberties... etc etc etc

Aping what you think constitutional language sounds like is a sure sign your argument is poo poo, hope that helps crazy lady.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012


Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Can't we just make a bunch of fighter jets and freeze them? That way we can use them for the whole month.

Fighter jets get freezer burn easily, so it's not really practical.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together



Fun Shoe

SteveVizsla posted:

She probably meant the Interstate Commerce Clause.

My favorite part of her website is "I want to bring to Washington my experience of balancing a budget." She balances the budget for her family, so she can do it for an entire country, too!

Is part of balancing her family budget ever "try to make more money"? Will she raise taxes?

More seriously comparing a household budget to the budget of a country is indicative of a lack of understanding about how government budgets work. The scope and scale is entirely different; families don't have international trade agreements, taxation, the ability to print currency, etc.

Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 18:37

BrotherAdso
May 22, 2008

stat rosa pristina nomine
nomina nuda tenemus

Mo_Steel posted:

Is part of balancing her family budget ever "try to make more money"? Will she raise taxes?

More seriously comparing a household budget to the budget of a country is indicative of a lack of understanding about how government budgets work. The scope and scale is entirely different; families don't have international trade agreements, taxation, the ability to print currency, etc.

And most important, governments don't ask businesses for loans. Governments ask businesses to buy their debt, and if you are the US, businesses and central banks scramble for spots in line.

In other news, my local conservative talk radio is spending an hour on whether or not a program at out local inner city high schools to provide childcare to teen mothers is "sheltering people from the consequences of their decisions and encouraging them to make more bad decisions."

BrotherAdso fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 20:39

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

lovely opinions from a bunch of lovely Hoosiers, in bite-size

quote:

New poll for the week:
Tonya Parker, an openly gay judge elected to the Texas bench in 2010, is refusing to marry straight couples in order to, in her own words, "give them a lesson about marriage inequality in this state." She instead refers couples to other judges, with the explanation that she doesn't want to "partially apply the law to one group of people that doesn't apply to another group of people." What do you think?

quote:

So, why isn't Obama talking about this Left Wing Activist Judge sitting on the bench, instead of the Supreme Court? I'll tell you why...because he's a hypocrite.

quote:

I personally don't want any judge on the bench that cannot seperate law from personal feelings.
Standing up for what one believes doesn't excuse blatantly not doing ones job. And also keep in mind some believe murder, or female genital mutilation or childhood prostitution should be legal. Doesn't make it right.

quote:

Someone please explain why it is that an incarcerated individual can marry but a law abiding homosexual is not given that same right?

quote:

I would agree that an incarcerated person should not have the right or access to marriage.

quote:

I would rather and Love to throw up on that judge and all those Sick Puppies!!!!!!!

quote:

So, this judge is using a litmus test on couples who desire to get married. Wow, thankfully the people from her community can retire her from the bench at the next election! This is definitely reverse discrimination.
And my favorite because it's so out of the blue

quote:

I think Ron Paul is the best thing that could happen to our United States.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012



Saint Sputnik posted:

lovely opinions from a bunch of lovely Hoosiers, in bite-size

Satire is dead.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Fuck your duck dynasty

Saint Sputnik posted:

And my favorite because it's so out of the blue

quote:

I think Ron Paul is the best thing that could happen to our United States.

I like that one because it's not even an opinion, IT'S A FACT! TRUCKS 2012

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009



Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Can't we just make a bunch of fighter jets and freeze them? That way we can use them for the whole month.

After seeing how quickly they spoil in the rain I'm not sure the freezer is the best option.

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008


There was an article here a while back telling about the plights of the rich, it basically said that the rich too had lost a lot of money and had to change their luxurious lifestyle to a slightly less luxurious one and it was hard for them and boohoohooo.
Anybody have a link to that?

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003


Colonel J posted:

There was an article here a while back telling about the plights of the rich, it basically said that the rich too had lost a lot of money and had to change their luxurious lifestyle to a slightly less luxurious one and it was hard for them and boohoohooo.
Anybody have a link to that?
There have been quite a few like that:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/y...y/03wealth.html

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Artic...000-a-Year.aspx

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/n...rians.html?_r=1

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012




gently caress, the comments on those articles are hilarious. People coming in with 300k incomes, trying to explain why "we really aren't that rich, we can barely afford a country club membership". And then trying to tell people that OWS occurs because those people lacked an incentive to work, so they just became shiftless and lazy and that's why they have nothing.

If you are in the top 2.9% for yearly income, you are, relative to other people in your country, extremely wealthy. I don't care that you find it hard to pay the property taxes on 1.5 acres outside New York. You own 1.5 acres! gently caress these people for trying to explain why they have it so tough to the people underneath them.

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003


I found some more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9081502957.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/b...7generation.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/b...bronxville.html

Quote from the last one:

quote:

Some residents argue that the town should be more businesslike, cutting other costs to offset the outlay for smaller classes. Peter P. Pulkkinen is one. [...] But rather than raise taxes, he would restrict teacher compensation— particularly their benefits.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


I just had to post this here because I"m shocked someone would call me out by name in the local paper because they disagree with me. I'm Jason in the letter referenced below, and I'll post the original letter below his to show what kind of community we have in Sandpoint, Idaho.

Terry posted:


On April 10, the Bee published a letter from young Jason [redacted], unfortunately from Sandpoint. Little Jason espoused a deep-rooted dislike for the founders, the Constitution, and evidently everything American over the last two centuries.

Though youthful, he exhibits a hatred and mantra-spewing class envy, decrying the despicability of “rich, white, land-owning men” right from the sermons of Jeremiah Wright.

He maintains that viewing the U.S. Constitution as the core body of law and governmental structure of the land is “very harmful to the progress of the country.” Rather, Jason, as do older more cynical socialists, sees the Constitution as but a minor inconvenience while they are in power. They indeed view it as a “living” document, something definable day to day as they wish, imagine, or would like it to be.

The founders for whom Jason has such disdain struggled enormously and, at times bitterly, to frame what turned out to be the most prodigiously liberating governmental system in human experience.

They recognized the lowest impulses of governments and men would attempt to erode or destroy what had been done. They made the Constitution amendable only through an immensely difficult, nationwide process. Be assured, they had no intention that the Constitution be subject to whimsical interpretations nor flights of fancy by leftists to come.

Some might say that the hatching of a new socialist is cute, as we watch them first struggle, and then abandon a quest for rationality. In the end though an America-hating class-envy spouter is sad to behold.

Terry [redacted]

Sagle

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com...19bb2963f4.html


Here is the letter I wrote a few weeks ago to give you an idea in to how much he literally lies in his letter. That doesn't really bug me though, it's the fact that it got him so mad that he called me out BY NAME in a community I'm trying to grow my insurance practice in, just to try to slander me. What the hell.
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com...1a4bcf887a.html

If you want me to post it all rather thank link it, let me know.

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

Jastiger posted:

Here is the letter I wrote a few weeks ago to give you an idea in to how much he literally lies in his letter. That doesn't really bug me though, it's the fact that it got him so mad that he called me out BY NAME in a community I'm trying to grow my insurance practice in, just to try to slander me. What the hell.
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com...1a4bcf887a.html

If you want me to post it all rather thank link it, let me know.

quote:

However, they also had some ideas that many would consider anathema to America today. Slavery, Women's Suffrage, Native American lands, taxation and many other ideas we find repulsive. This doesn't mean the founding fathers were evil men bent on making life horrible. It means that the founding fathers were a product of their time and economic status.

I too find the idea of votes for women repulsive.

e: seriously though that Terry guy sounds like a complete shithead. Reminds me, we published a letter from a high school kid a few months ago about how he thought wealth inequality was unfair, and half a dozen people wrote in to jump down his throat.

Saint Sputnik fucked around with this message at Apr 18, 2012 around 23:51

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


It doesn't mean those items listed in that sentence are the ideas themselves. I think anyone reading the context of the letter would know that I meant the ideas they had on the topic of womens suffrage, Native American lands, etc. meant that their particular ideas are anathema. They didn't put it in the drat Constitution.

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

Jastiger posted:

It doesn't mean those items listed in that sentence are the ideas themselves. I think anyone reading the context of the letter would know that I meant the ideas they had on the topic of womens suffrage, Native American lands, etc. meant that their particular ideas are anathema. They didn't put it in the drat Constitution.

I wasn't being serious. I had to proofread the whole drat paper myself this morning and I'm still in that mode.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010



So, "we want better schools for our children, but we don't want to pay for them or to pay the teachers who provide their classes"

Jastiger posted:

I just had to post this here because I"m shocked someone would call me out by name in the local paper because they disagree with me. I'm Jason in the letter referenced below, and I'll post the original letter below his to show what kind of community we have in Sandpoint, Idaho.



Here is the letter I wrote a few weeks ago to give you an idea in to how much he literally lies in his letter. That doesn't really bug me though, it's the fact that it got him so mad that he called me out BY NAME in a community I'm trying to grow my insurance practice in, just to try to slander me. What the hell.
http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com...1a4bcf887a.html

If you want me to post it all rather thank link it, let me know.

Don't be so shocked, the letters section of my local newspaper does the same thing.

The worst part of it for me is when the paper publishes hateful letters full of lies from conservative anti-gay organizations. Since when did objectivity change to mean "Publish anything, no matter how factually wrong, as long as we post crazy poo poo from both sides of the political spectrum"?

E.g. My favorite part of that fucker's letter:

Terry the rear end in a top hat posted:

The founders for whom Jason has such disdain struggled enormously and, at times bitterly, to frame what turned out to be the most prodigiously liberating governmental system in human experience.

Yeah, "prodigiously liberating" as long as you weren't Black, female, American Indian, gay, Catholic, etc.

Walter
Jul 3, 2003

We think they're great. In a grand, mystical, neopolitical sense, these guys have a real message in their music. They don't, however, have neat names like me and Bono.

Jastiger posted:

It doesn't mean those items listed in that sentence are the ideas themselves. I think anyone reading the context of the letter would know that I meant the ideas they had on the topic of womens suffrage, Native American lands, etc. meant that their particular ideas are anathema. They didn't put it in the drat Constitution.

Actually, I came to post the same thing.

The guy responding was out of line and crazy, but your letter could have used revision. As it is, your phrasing suggests that women's suffrage, Native American lands, and taxation are anathema to modern American values and are repulsive. I'm not sure how Native American lands are anathema to anything. And the other two are exactly the opposite of what you mean.

Clarity... always clarity. Your reader should never have to sit there and think, "Okay, I guess I know what he meant here."

And writing an unclear letter just makes it that much easier for people to dismiss you as not knowing what you're talking about.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


I agree it could be more clear, but I think in context the point is made. However, you'll note that has nothing to do with the criticisms in the letter posted. Grawr.

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).


The third one irked me, but the second one did even more.

NY Times posted:

Over the last five months, only one job materialized. After several interviews, the Hanover Insurance Group in nearby Worcester offered to hire him as an associate claims adjuster, at $40,000 a year. But even before the formal offer, Mr. Nicholson had decided not to take the job.

Rather than waste early years in dead-end work, he reasoned, he would hold out for a corporate position that would draw on his college training and put him, as he sees it, on the bottom rungs of a career ladder.

OMG! The injustice of it all! I might have to take a job that pays a middle class income and offers benefits in something that isn't my true passion!

Like nearly every American these days?

quote:

Scott Nicholson also has connections, of course, but no one in his network of family and friends has been able to steer him into marketing or finance or management training or any career-oriented opening at a big corporation, his goal. The jobs are simply not there.

I've worked at a few big corporations, in insurance and banking. Most of them don't just hire someone right out of the gate for management, training, or marketing. You generally start off answering the phone and dealing with morons and doing repetitive and often dull work. If you're lucky, they'll pay you a reasonable salary and allow you things like vacation time and health insurance to do so. Once you've done that for a while, you find ways to move forward into something they have that you might enjoy, or you start looking elsewhere.

No, you do not have a right to an 80K a year job where you sit around on beanbag chairs and come up with ways to screw over people right out of college. You have to work up to that.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless


Vince You talk like a drat traitor so I'm guessing you probably don't fit the definition JasTiger....if the shoe fits.....wear it!
11 minutes ago · Like

Jastiger: Hhard to respect a guy who calls you a traitor during a political discussion
7 minutes ago · Like

Vince: My family has been in this country since the late 1700's....fought, died, sweat, and blood. This citizenship rule for the president was to maintain a loyal citizen in the white house....a huge position of power and responsibility....and a very wise rule by our founding fathers. Only a traitor who wishes to undermine our constitution would disrespect the founders of this country.

I love peoples

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

colonelslime posted:

Satire is dead.

I don't know that satire enters into it, but these people are sure tone-deaf to sarcasm. Here's the week's results:

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

Tyrannosaurs in P-51 Volkswagens!

Sorry to postpostpost but I mad. Floyd and Mary Beth Brown are a disgustingly WASPish couple whose columns are only carried by Cagle. Normally I don't pay any attention but this caught my eye and it's seriously awful

If Zimmerman's Head Was Bloody, Charges Shouldn't Have Been Filed posted:

The chant during the OJ trial was, “if the glove don’t fit then vote to acquit.” In the Trayvon Martin killing the legal system should focus on the wounds of George Zimmerman. Now that the bloody photographs of the back of George Zimmerman’s head has been released, we must ask, why was he charged with second-degree murder?

These photos are clear evidence George Zimmerman was acting in self-defense, and according to Florida law, Zimmerman had a right to protect himself that tragic night.

We expect the national news media to manipulate and mislead in a case such as this, and they didn’t disappoint. NBC doctored the 911 tapes. News websites photoshopped Zimmerman’s pictures to make him appear more “white.” Some photos even have Zimmerman’s brown Hispanic eyes as being a light Aryan blue. All this news manipulation was intent on creating racial tension.

We expected a higher standard from prosecutors. It now seems clear that prosecutors are also trying to manipulate this case for exposure and career advancement. They have been as craven as the news media.

The conflicting stories from the night of the death of Trayvon Martin should have been sorted out by police working in concert with prosecutors. Instead, we have seen prosecutors intimidated by a national movement intent on using Trayvon Martin’s death to create racial tension and use the tragedy to reelect Barack Obama.

This entire case has become a toxic political situation, and justice for George Zimmerman is being sacrificed on the altar of expediency and racial politics.

Florida statutes are clear. To be charged with 2nd Degree Murder under Florida law Zimmerman must possess a “depraved mind having no regard for human life.” Also Zimmerman would have to demonstrate malice.

Taking a human life in Florida only becomes a criminal homicide if it is without justification. Self-defense including the use of deadly force in self-protection is explicitly recognized in Florida law.

Likely the decision made by police the night of the killing to release and not arrest Zimmerman was a good one. It is disgusting to see a pack of race hustlers leading a mob force to trial in this case by explicitly threatening riots if no criminal charges were filed.

Whenever a young person is killed, it is tragic. But the tragedy started when Trayvon Martin embraced the gang banger lifestyle. It happened when Trayvon Martin responded by decking Zimmerman to the ground. It started when Zimmerman’s head was pounded against the ground. It was only finished when Zimmerman fought back.

Prosecutors when faced with the photos of Zimmerman’s injuries should have resisted responding to a mob, even when it is led by a President and an Attorney General. Prosecutors should be immune from intimidation and manipulation for political big wigs.

Now if the Zimmerman case goes to trial we have to look forward to a summer of deeply divisive and prolonged legal proceedings which will only heighten racial tensions.

But these tensions will be a welcomed change of topic for Obama’s administration which wants to talk about anything but their miserable stewardship of the economy.

Justice for George Zimmerman

Justice for George Zimmerman

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010


Saint Sputnik posted:

Sorry to postpostpost but I mad. Floyd and Mary Beth Brown are a disgustingly WASPish couple whose columns are only carried by Cagle. Normally I don't pay any attention but this caught my eye and it's seriously awful


Justice for George Zimmerman

Justice for George Zimmerman

Wow, just count the dogwhistles.

Are these people completely unfamiliar with the concept of victims inflicting defensive wounds upon the criminals attacking them?

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinio...rEfWhGCtbA4E7IM

Granted it's NY Post, but this guy writes for the WSJ as well.

Basically the entire premise of the article is "You know what Americans really hated? Jobs that paid a living wage. Also, unions are the reason those jobs don't exist anymore."

Shasta Orange Soda
Apr 24, 2007


I like that his evidence for that was basically that people sometimes complained about their jobs, much like anyone who's ever held any job. And that they didn't like how assembly line work was "boring and repetitive." Is the implication here that auto workers of the '70s would have gladly given up their good pay and benefits for a shot at the glamorous and never repetitive world of hamburger preparation at a 2012 McDonald's?

redmercer
Sep 15, 2011

by Fistgrrl


Bruce Leroy posted:

Wow, just count the dogwhistles.

Are these people completely unfamiliar with the concept of victims inflicting defensive wounds upon the criminals attacking them?

No, they're completely unfamiliar with the concept of "innocent black kid"

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010


redmercer posted:

No, they're completely unfamiliar with the concept of "innocent black kid"

Yeah, you're probably right, based on their comment, "But the tragedy started when Trayvon Martin embraced the gang banger lifestyle."

Seriously, what the gently caress is the "gang banger lifestyle," being black?

Johnny Cache Hit
Oct 17, 2011


Bruce Leroy posted:

Seriously, what the gently caress is the "gang banger lifestyle," being black?

Being a young black person

sub supau
Aug 27, 2007



Bruce Leroy posted:

Seriously, what the gently caress is the "gang banger lifestyle," being black?
Do you really need to ask?

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 23, 2008


Now now. Sometimes it means black and/or Latino.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010


That's gold Jerry, gold!

I’M BLESSED TO BE A CHRISTIAN
By Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher
posted:

Not that long ago, I became a Christian. It was a magnificent event in my life that transformed me. It was, like many people have experienced, a moment of clarity. The weight came off my shoulders as I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior -- Christianity has made me a better person.

I’m not saying I’m perfect, but I am forgiven. (Thank GOD)

Now you may remember that Barack Obama and I have an unusual history together. We don’t share too many of the same political views, but we do have something in common: We’re both Christians. The President says he’s a follower of Christianity and I take him at his word. I don’t question his faith, and when I read or hear people claiming he’s not a Christian because of this or that, I don’t like it.

It’s not … well, Christian. So before this election season gets into over-drive, I want to remind everyone that we’re all God’s children and our President should be given the love and respect the Golden Rule he puts forth. It’s the core of being a good Christian and if you can get that down, you’re close, my friend.

One of the reasons I really dig Christianity is that it’s so incredibly powerful and amazing. The lives of millions of people have been given meaning by their faith in Christ. And what better confirmation of that strength do we have than the life story of President Obama?

Imagine being the child of a mixed-race marriage – especially in the turbulent 60’s and free-wheeling 70’s. And when you throw in that dad was a Muslim and mom an atheist – you know it could not have been easy – and they were Communists for crying out loud! At age six, young Barry was shipped off to Indonesia and exposed to Islam for several years. His parents divorced, he returned to the US and Barack was placed with his grandparents. By the time he got to college, he was experimenting with cocaine, marijuana and even thought about using heroin.

Hardly sounds like one who would become President of the United States, the most powerful man in the greatest, most powerful country in the history of the world, does it? It seems against all odds…

… almost miraculous?

After Barack Hussein Obama suddenly cast-off his Muslim roots, rejected his mother’s disbelief in God, turned tail on the Islam of his early life and converted to Christianity - BLAM - he’s elected President. Anyone who believes the two things are not connected is being disingenuous at best. I don’t know how or when it happened, whether when he was partying at college or five minutes before he first decided to run for office, but it doesn’t matter - he came to Christ and he is my brother.

Barack Obama once famously told me he just wanted to spread the wealth around and I take him at his word about that as well. After three years of watching the policies he’s put forth, the agenda he’s pushed and the detrimental effect it’s had on our country, I don’t question it one bit…


Hate the Sin–Love the Sinner
By Karen Gushta
posted:

Can you recall the last time you heard someone use the term “sodomite” in ordinary conversation? Probably not.

That term and the term “sodomy” have virtually disappeared from the American lexicon. Along with the words, any remembrance of their origin in the biblical account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is quickly disappearing as well.

Although some homosexual apologists claim that the great sin of Sodom was “inhospitality,” as Dr. D. James Kennedy explains in his sermon, “Entertaining Angels Unawares,” that is far from the case. Yes, the men of Sodom wanted to “know” the strangers whom Lot was sheltering in his home. But they wanted to have carnal knowledge, intimate sexual knowledge of these men, who were really angels sent by the Lord to warn Lot of the city’s impending destruction.

According to the Bible, there was an “outcry” to the Lord because of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah. As the Lord told Abraham, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grace, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me: and if not I will know” (Genesis 18:20-21).

When the angels arrived in Sodom, the actions of the men of the city, “both old and young,” confirmed the reasons for the outcry against it.

Prior to 1962, sodomy was a felony in every state in the union. But by 2003, only 13 still had such laws on their books. These were finally swept away as well when the Supreme Court struck down the Texas anti-sodomy law in its 6-3 decision, Lawrence v. Texas.

This decision was a stunning reversal of the Court’s earlier proclamation in Bowers v. Hardwick that “in constitutional terms there is no such thing as a fundamental right to commit homosexual sodomy.”

In the majority opinion in the 1986 Bowers decision, Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote:

quote:

Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization…. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeo-Christian moral and ethical standards. … [Sir William] Blackstone described ‘the infamous crime against nature’ as an offense of “deeper malignity” than surprise sex, a heinous act “the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature” and “a crime not fit to be named.”

“To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right,” Justice Burger averred, “would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.”

Yet less than twenty years later, with Lawrence v. Texas, the high court did that very thing, arguing that the Texas law “demeans the lives of homosexual persons.” Writing for the majority, Justice Anthony Kennedy hewed to the pro-homosexual line of argument by stating that “The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime.”

The highest court of the land had succumbed to the false claim of homosexual activists that their sexual activity is identical with their human dignity. And anyone who would oppose their homosexual acts must, by their definition, also be denying their status as persons.

By equating their identity as a person with their sexual activity, homosexual activists argue that the only way for them to achieve human dignity and full “human rights” is for their sexual activity to be accepted—not just accepted, but affirmed.

But as Michael Brown, author of The Stealth Agenda, recently published by Truth in Action Ministries, points out, “The right to any sexual behavior, any sexual orientation, any sexual romantic desire—no, there is not a universal human right for that.”

Christianity has always found the worth of persons in the fact that all humans are made in the image of God, regardless of personal attributes. Thus we recognize the right to life of the unborn, and the value of the lives of the feeble-minded. This is also the basis for making the fundamental distinction between the individual and his or her behavior. The worst criminal can be forgiven for his actions through the blood of Jesus Christ.

As Dr. D. James Kennedy says on this week’s Truth That Transforms television program, “For 2,000 years it has been the Christian position that we are to love the sinner, but hate the sin, and I don’t hate homosexuals, nor can you….If we say we are the sons of God, a God who is a God of love, we can’t hate people.”

Dr. Kennedy further related, “I have known homosexuals that have come out of the homosexual lifestyle. I have known those that are struggling in their efforts to try to overcome it. I have known those who are in it and want to stay there. But I have prayed for them all, and so must we. These are people who are desperately in need of our prayers.”

For those who struggle with unwanted sexual attraction to members of the same sex, there are several organizations that offer hope and help. The Exodus Global Alliance states that its goals are to:

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Proclaim that change is possible for the homosexual through the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

Equip Christians and churches to uphold the biblical view of sexuality but respond with compassion and grace to those affected by homosexuality.

Serve people affected by homosexuality through counseling, support groups and other services.

The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality states that it is “a professional, scientific organization that offers hope to those who struggle with unwanted homosexuality.” NARTH provides referrals to those seeking assistance, promotes effective therapeutic treatment, and disseminates educational information. The organization “upholds the rights of individuals with unwanted homosexual attraction to receive effective psychological care and the right of professionals to offer that care.”

Homosexual activists would try to force our society to accept their sexual activity as normal. Therefore they oppose any and all who offer hope for change to those who want to forsake those actions. We must not allow them to silence the proclamation of the good news that Jesus Christ offers hope for redemption and change to all sinners, regardless of their sin. When Jesus Christ arose from the dead, He not only broke the bands of death, He also broke the stranglehold that Satan, the author of death, had on the human race. And now, through the risen Savior we have the power to change—to live in “newness of life” as “new creatures” in Christ.

O the deep, deep love of Jesus, vast, unmeasured, boundless, free! Rolling as a mighty ocean in its fullness over me!


The Feared “Paradox” by Caroline Biggs posted:

Any conservative woman who dares to make waves in the political stratosphere by taking a steel-spined stance for what is right can expect to be immediately subjected to a ferocious onslaught of coarse vulgarities from the left. The self-proclaimed “women’s rights” advocates attack these women with the most demeaning, vulgar, and sexist language imaginable. Why? Because they fear them more than any other set of individuals on the planet; they are a supposed contradiction, the feared paradox that exposes the ultimate liberal hypocrisy.

Conservative women are a blatant contradiction to their belief that women are inherently liberal, pro-abortion, pro-“gay marriage,” and victims at home, school, and work by male domination. Republican men, that is. This entitlement-prone, victim mentality creates a permanent slave to the liberal agenda and a vote on which they can always count. However, liberals should not be so hasty to assume that they have a complete monopoly over women. There are plenty of us who are the exact opposite of what they have so desperately tried to manipulate or — if that doesn’t work — bully us into being.

Where are the liberal women rallying in support around the women hung, raped, and tortured at the hands of Sharia law? And where are the liberal women crying out in opposition to the systematic hangings of homosexuals in Iran? And where are the liberal women demanding equal rights for the helpless baby girls who are killed in their mother’s wombs in China because their parents wanted a boy but are only allowed one child? Or the babies with handicaps who are not allowed a chance at life at all? Or all the millions of baby girls who would have grown into women if they had not been aborted over the course of the past 50 years? Oh that’s right, there are no liberal women rallying for those causes. They’re all conservatives.

Knowing, living, and fighting for the truth can carry a weighty price for some women. A woman like this in political leadership is to be feared and hated above all else and destroyed as quickly as possible. I have heard this phrase used dozens of times, “You are not a REAL woman,” as though the liberals have the right to define what it is to be a woman. They particularly fear conservative women in politics because they are usually impossible to manipulate.

Most conservative women who enter roles of political leadership are not doing so for career advancement either inside or outside the political world. Instead, they usually attain positions of political leadership as their children are growing older or have moved off to college and, after having become aware of the imminent jeopardy of our country, way of life, safety, and the well-being of their children and grandchildren, they are possessed by a powerful “mama-bear”-type motivation and drive to fight this crisis.

Political maneuvering and manipulation has proved ineffective in containing these women, and so the liberals have realized that they must resort to more drastic means — destroying their credibility, reputation, and image by using the over-obliging media which more than happily blasts them with every imaginable slur, falsehood and sexually brazen insult. After the ugly battle is over (by the time the debris has been cleared and the truth exposed) the damage has already been done, and few are able to survive the aftermath with their reputation, stamina, and respect still in tact.

Here’s to those who are brave enough to do the right thing no matter what the sacrifice.

John Charity Spring
Nov 3, 2009

ACTIVATE THE QUEEN


Ezekiel 16:49 posted:

Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009

I GAIN POWER FROM EATING PEOPLE, JUST ASSUME I'M ALWAYS VOTING TO EAT PEOPLE


Nap Ghost

Bruce Leroy posted:

Where are the liberal women rallying in support around the women hung, raped, and tortured at the hands of Sharia law? And where are the liberal women crying out in opposition to the systematic hangings of homosexuals in Iran? And where are the liberal women demanding equal rights for the helpless baby girls who are killed in their mother’s wombs in China because their parents wanted a boy but are only allowed one child? Or the babies with handicaps who are not allowed a chance at life at all? Or all the millions of baby girls who would have grown into women if they had not been aborted over the course of the past 50 years?

Uh, everywhere? Unlike you, who probably endorse the pastors that helped create the gay-killing laws in Africa?

Dr. Tough
Oct 21, 2007



George Soros: a modern day Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

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George Soros … suicidal maniac?!!
With regard to George Soros dedicating $10 million dollars into the left-wing scheme to unseat Sheriff Joe, allow me to draw upon the following analogy:

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941, Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto realized that he had made a huge error and exclaimed shortly thereafter: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant."

As wealthy as George Soros may be, the accumulation of wealth doesn't necessarily equate with being a mentally well balanced individual! Little does he realize that pouring all of this money into ventures attempting to undermine those law enforcement officials dedicated to enforcing our Constitution, just infuriates the majority of mainstream America. History is replete with examples of Americans taking just so much abuse and nonsense before they decide that they have had enough and will inevitably strike back!

George Soros doesn't have enough money in this life or in his wildest dreams that will cause the American spirit to bend to the will of an egomaniacal, mentally defective billionaire! Keep throwing your money down that dark hole George! It only serves to make the will of your opponents (the American people) stronger, more resilient and determined in dealing with nothing more than a political street punk who happens to have figured out a way to game the very system he is determined to destroy! This is not intelligence … this is a suicide slowly unfolding with people being sacrificed in an ideological rush to certain anarchy and chaos!!

Vince Ansel
Scottsdale

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zeroprime
Mar 25, 2006

Words go here.


Fun Shoe

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History is replete with examples of Americans taking just so much abuse and nonsense before they decide that they have had enough and will inevitably strike back!

*Strikes back by using a knife to methodically blind and murder a homeless immigrant in a back alley.*

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