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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Feminism has enabled mass shootings as without it 12 year old boys would otherwise have been able to attack and subdue gunmen.

No. There is no way a real person actually said this. This is something I need to believe.

I do like how we should 'think of what Sandy Hook would have looked like' if men had stepped in to save the day, rather than offering any details. Somehow I'm thinking they would probably have been shot.

Didn't Columbine have a male teacher die and multiple male students?

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happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup


Pillbug

bobkatt013 posted:

Didn't Columbine have a male teacher die and multiple male students?

The only reason they were mostly female deaths here is that male teachers do not usually apply for pre-schools and similar young age schools primarily as there's the fear they are compared to peadophiles. And some education boards consider them a liability, theres been a few who sued and won for sexual discrimination when they didn't get the positions. There are loads of articles on the lack of male teachers in a google scholar search.

The sick gently caress prob did target the young girls more than the boys though unless the classes were just heavily one sided gender wise.

All these gently caress witted articles are trying to say 'Testosterone saves ammo'.

VVVVVVV Edit:

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...=1%2C5&as_sdtp=

Ok, re-reading above implies that I meant to say the fear of being labeled as a pedo is the no. 1 cause. Sorry for that, the no 1 cause is more a loss of masculinity perception, of which being labeled a pedo would be a subset of that I guess. Still stands though, google search show there are only 1/4 UK primary schools with male teachers, so assuming the same US side.

happyhippy fucked around with this message at Dec 20, 2012 around 20:05

_aaron
Jul 24, 2007
The underscore is silent.

happyhippy posted:

The only reason they were mostly female deaths here is that male teachers do not usually apply for pre-schools and similar young age schools primarily as there's the fear they are compared to peadophiles
Not to derail, but is this really true? I know the ratio of male/female pre-k through 6 teachers is lower than it is for high school, but is "fear of being labelled a pedophile" the number 1 reason for this? That seems surprising, and I'd be interested to read more about it.

Bruce Leroy
Jun 10, 2010


Boondock Saint posted:

Well a friend just found this gem...

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-symposium?pg=1



Republicans, literally children.

Bolding mine.

Am I missing something? Are males somehow more resistant to bullets than females? It must be like dwarves starting with naturally higher constitution and resistance to cold elemental damage.

The best part is that people are taking out their anger at her on the Amazon page for her book Human Christ with scathing reviews.

My favorite is this sardonic 5-star review:

quote:

This hefty book is perfect for heaving at knees
I have bought several copies of this book to hand out to every husky 12 year old male in my neighborhood. At 400 pages, this hefty book is a more than adequate replacement for a janitor's bucket when you need something to heave at an enemy's knees.

Warning - do not give this book to females, because they throw like girls.

Nick_326
Nov 2, 2011

History's Latest Monster


Holy christ this person is doubling down:

horrible person posted:

Well, at least no one is calling for my head on a stick but thats probably because Prof. Erik Loomis of the University of Rhode Island is about the only person or entity that hasnt denounced me for pointing out in NROs Sandy Hook symposium that the school could have used a few male teachers on the premises who might have tackled down the runtish Adam Lanza before he did the worst of his damage. Its no small thing, of course, to stop a gunman, whatever his size, but there might have been more of a chance with a few men on hand. I asserted that the feminized setting that prevails at elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel creates a culture of helpless passivity that puts women and small children at risk when a psychopath like Lanza decides to blow out the doors.

Ive been reviled by the Holy Trinity of online liberal journalism: David Weigel (Slate), Alex Pareene (Salon), and Jessica Valenti (The Nation). Also: Daily Kos, Media Matters, and Mediaite, just to name a few spleen outlets (you can Google my name plus Sandy Hook to see the links to dozens of others). At Esquires Politics blog, Charles Pierce gave me the McArdle Award, named after the Daily Beasts Megan McArdle for suggesting that gang-rushing the shooter would work better than gun bans to avert mass murders or minimize their deadly damage. (Since I wholeheartedly agree with McArdle and I suggested that very tactic in my NRO symposium pieceIm honored to accept the award.) One of Pierces commenters wrote that someone ought to beat the stupid out of me. Remarks like that are the way that liberal guys demonstrate that they, too, possess testicles.

Finally, even Jonah Goldberg right here at NRO accused me of blaming the victim. Et tu, Jonah! I cant take most of the criticisms seriously, but I will respond to Jonah: No, I was not blaming any of the 26 victims or the parents who enrolled their kids at Sandy Hook. I am, however, blaming our culture that denies, dismisses, and denigrates the masculine traitsincluding size, strength, male aggression and a male facility for strategic thinkingthat until recently have been viewed as essential for building a society and protecting its weaker members. We now have Hanna Rosin at Slate urging parents to buy their little boys Easy Bake ovens so theyll be more like little girls. Women are less aggressive by instinct, and they are typically trained to be nice. I praised and continue to praise the courage of the Sandy Hook principal, Dawn Hochsburg, and the teachers who gave up their lives along with her, but with some men on the scene who knew what to do, some of those lives might have been saved.

I am also responding to David Weigel, who told me I gotten my facts wrong: that there are actually two men, a custodian and a fourth-grade teacher, on Sandy Hooks 52-person staff. Hes right, and I stand corrected. This does help prove my point, though: just two adult men in a building containing 500 people and its not clear that both of them were at work that day. Indeed, a visit to Sandy Hooks staff website is a depressing experience, the sea of womens names. Why arent there more men? Perhaps not enough want the job? But why? Because they are tacitly discouraged from careers in elementary education? Its certainly not the money, because union rules typically require kindergarten teachers and high-school chemistry teachers to be paid on exactly the same salary scale. Another depressing page on the Sandy Hook website is the Safe Schools Climate page. Its a page of links to anti-bullying resources. Yes, the Sandy Hook staffs idea of a safe school was a school where kids didnt say mean things about each other on Facebook! The Sandy Hook massacre was a tragedy, but it was at least in part a tragedy of the collision between feminist delusions and reality.

aaaaaargh what the actual gently caress



Switching gears, here's some horrible bullshit from Peter Hitchens of the Daily Mail:

"If we are all so disgusted by the Savile affair, which is over, why are we not much more revolted by the schools and clinics which, during next week, will be giving contraceptive jabs and implants to underage girls, so they can have underage sex?"

"How many years, I wonder, before child prostitution is once again openly practised in this country? Laugh if you like."

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001



Nick_326 posted:

Switching gears, here's some horrible bullshit from Peter Hitchens of the Daily Mail:

"If we are all so disgusted by the Savile affair, which is over, why are we not much more revolted by the schools and clinics which, during next week, will be giving contraceptive jabs and implants to underage girls, so they can have underage sex?"

"How many years, I wonder, before child prostitution is once again openly practised in this country? Laugh if you like."

For context to people who don't follow British media, Jimmy Savile was a TV presenter that frequently worked with children that was always kind of known to be a total creep, but after his death was confirmed to have been a pedophile.

So this guy is basically saying that giving teenagers vaccines against STD's that cause cervical cancer and along with access to contraception is like queuing them up to be raped.

ErIog fucked around with this message at Jan 7, 2013 around 05:56

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Nap Ghost

I'd post an excerpt, but the URL will give it away.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!



Well, aside from the racism, corruption and vindictiveness the article kinda forgot to mention, isn't it also right? I certainly don't consider Obama or Clinton left-leaning.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.


Yeah, the difference is whether that fact puts anything in perspective for you or not.



edit:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52241

quote:

Why Is The Left In America So Filled With HATE?
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Their bitterness and hatred is stunning in its depth and intensity. Their hate knows no bounds. It is Americas political left of which I write.

Anything or anyone not toeing the progressive/Marxist/socialist line of Americas political left is the lowest of the low beneath even their respect for a gnat.

Their gall overfloweth. They foul and sour the very air with their violent language, their profane speech, their threats (implied and otherwise), their cock-sure overconfidence scrawls FEAR across their foreheads.

They have no respect for anyone other than themselves. Common decency in addressing another human being who may hold a differing opinion is avoided like the plague.

Their use of the vilest of profane language in the pubic square is their trademark. Having a conversation with them is akin to walking barefoot through a livestock penin the dark.

They are the bully in every conversation or discussion. Their use of vocal force to dominate a debate, especially when they are losing to common sense, only demonstrates the shallowness of their own knowledge stream and their feeling of inadequacy amidst a gathering where the mean age is over ten years.

They lash out in all directions when they perceive a threat to their well guarded empty vault of morals. They guard well that which they do not have and transfer the evil which they do.

They are like frightened, terrified, children. Unsure of themselves, they flounder in a sea of grey on a black and white planet.

Narcissistic and hypocritical they claim love and respect for all while they harbor hate, and revulsion for anyone not like them, or anyone not deferring to them, or anyone disagreeing with them.

They are takers and users unable, or unwilling, to make or give. There is no true charity in them.

They outwardly sing praises to freedom while they, themselves, are slaves to an authoritarian political philosophy. They would enslave the world in an instant given the chance.

Their favorite weapon is bureaucratic despotism wielded through government agencies shielded from pubic accountability.

They love the cowardice of dictatorship.

They are all apparatchiks of a strong centralized authoritythe state. It is to the state they bow and pay homage and their allegiance.

They have created, and they sustain, a permanent underclass of underachievers in America from whom only a vote is required to receive largesse from the countrys treasury.

They have given America the Square Deal, the Fair Deal, and the Great Societyall referred to as progressive when, in fact, all are socialist introductory programs, which ultimately enslave their participants.

They cry fairness without ever telling us their definition of fairness.

They cry equality while never explaining that, to them, some are more equal than others.

They cry Social Justice while never explaining that social justice is only another name for socialism, an introductory form of communism/Marxism.

They will not hesitate to use a nations pain to further their agenda even when that pain involves the deaths of thousands at work or a score of children at school. Their motto, their creed, is: never let a crisis go to waste.

They will pour into the streets to save the live of a condemned murdererortake the life of an unborn baby.

They have shown a great tendency to worship nature rather than natures Godto worship creation, rather than the Creator.

The left lives and breathes in a world of their own making, a world where they writhe in self-hate, amid pustules of resentment, their reason clouded by anger, guilt, doubt, and their own self-loathing. They have yet to understand the oppression they complain of is self-inflicted by the weight of the guilt they feel for living in a country like America and taking advantage of the freedom and the libertyfreely given themwhile they snipe at, and openly attack, the very foundations of the country that has been so very kind to them.

The rancid attitude of the left has poisoned the American political process and has infected the American citizenry so deeply that a total breakup of the country would not be unexpected.

The only joy they seem to be able to attain is by creating a mob in the streets where they make complete and utter fools of themselves (to the amusement of of millions) by protesting the very thing(s) that makes America great, unique, and exceptional.

If the description above seems to fit the symptoms of a mental disorder to you, the reader, I must confess that I had the same reaction when reading over them a second time. It is cause for wonder, is it not?

I feel sadness and sorrow for the political left. Paraphrasing the scriptures: They, among all men, are the most to be pitied.

Longstreet is a conservative Southern American (A native sandlapper and an adopted Tar Heel) with a deep passion for the history, heritage, and culture of the southern states of America. At the same time he is a deeply loyal American believing strongly in America First.

He is a thirty-year veteran of the broadcasting business, as an in the field and on-air news reporter (contributing to radio, TV, and newspapers) and a conservative broadcast commentator.

Longstreet is a veteran of the US Army and US Army Reserve. He is a member of the American Legion and the Sons of Confederate Veterans. A lifelong Christian, Longstreet subscribes to old Lutheranism to express and exercise his faith.

Other articles by Longstreet are posted at Omega Dispatch

VideoTapir fucked around with this message at Jan 10, 2013 around 12:12

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012


That Canada free press article uses a shitload of space to go "waaaah, Obama, waaah". There isn't a single substantive sentence in there.

Gourd of Taste
Sep 11, 2006

by Ralp


You're a leftist, Mister Grinch

Caros
May 14, 2008



Fandyien posted:

That Canada free press article uses a shitload of space to go "waaaah, Obama, waaah". There isn't a single substantive sentence in there.

Hmm. Sons of confederate veterans? Deep love of the history of southern culture? No racism there. No sirrie.

Tritanomalicious
Mar 14, 2008

A dog, A barrel... RIDICULOUS!


Wow, how many of those sentences start with some variation of "They"? lovely opinions aside, that's just painful to read.

Is it written in some other dialect of English with the same words meaning vastly different things?

Guilty Spork
Feb 25, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.


Kids these days!

quote:

A new analysis of the American Freshman Survey, which has accumulated data for the past 47 years from 9 million young adults, reveals that college students are more likely than ever to call themselves gifted and driven to succeed, even though their test scores and time spent studying are decreasing.

Psychologist Jean Twenge, the lead author of the analysis, is also the author of a study showing that the tendency toward narcissism in students is up 30 percent in the last thirty-odd years.
These data are not unexpected. I have been writing a great deal over the past few years about the toxic psychological impact of media and technology on children, adolescents and young adults, particularly as it regards turning them into faux celebritiesthe equivalent of lead actors in their own fictionalized life stories.

On Facebook, young people can fool themselves into thinking they have hundreds or thousands of friends. They can delete unflattering comments. They can block anyone who disagrees with them or pokes holes in their inflated self-esteem. They can choose to show the world only flattering, sexy or funny photographs of themselves (dozens of albums full, by the way), speak in pithy short posts and publicly connect to movie stars and professional athletes and musicians they like.

Using Twitter, young people can pretend they are worth following, as though they have real-life fans, when all that is really happening is the mutual fanning of false love and false fame.
Using computer games, our sons and daughters can pretend they are Olympians, Formula 1 drivers, rock stars or sharpshooters. And while they can turn off their Wii and Xbox machines and remember they are really in dens and playrooms on side streets and in triple deckers around America, that is after their hearts have raced and heads have swelled with false pride for being something they are not.

On MTV and other networks, young people can see lives just like theirs portrayed on reality TV shows fueled by such incredible self-involvement and self-love that any of the real-life characters should really be in psychotherapy to have any chance at anything like a normal life.
These are the psychological drugs of the 21st Century and they are getting our sons and daughters very sick, indeed.

As if to keep up with the unreality of media and technology, in a dizzying paroxysm of self-aggrandizing hype, town sports leagues across the country hand out ribbons and trophies to losing teams, schools inflate grades, energy drinks in giant, colorful cans take over the soft drink market, and psychiatrists hand out Adderall like candy.

All the while, these adolescents, teens and young adults are watching a Congress that cant control its manic, euphoric, narcissistic spending, a president that cant see his way through to applauding genuine and extraordinary achievements in business, a society that blames mass killings on guns, not the psychotic people who wield them, andhere no surprisea stock market that keeps rising and falling like a roller coaster as bubbles inflate and then, inevitably, burst.

Thats really the unavoidable end, by the way. False pride can never be sustained. The bubble of narcissism is always at risk of bursting. Thats why young people are higher on drugs than ever, drunker than ever, smoking more, tattooed more, pierced more and having more and more and more sex, earlier and earlier and earlier, raising babies before they can do it well, because it makes them feel special, for a while. Theyre doing anything to distract themselves from the fact that they feel empty inside and unworthy.

Distractions, however, are temporary, and the truth is eternal. Watch for an epidemic of depression and suicidality, not to mention homicidality, as the real self-loathing and hatred of others that lies beneath all this narcissism rises to the surface. I see it happening and, no doubt, many of you do, too.

We had better get a plan together to combat this greatest epidemic as it takes shape. Because it will dwarf the toll of any epidemic we have ever known. And it will be the hardest to defeat. Because, by the time we see the scope and destructiveness of this enemy clearly, we will also realize, as the saying goes, that it is us.

Socrates posted:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Christopher Hitchens' brother is every bit the shitheel Chris was:

Peter Hitchins posted:

Human Rights are the State religion of Europe, the unpleasant new country in which we are now trapped. These supposed rights have expelled and replaced Christianity.

They have shrunk the human conscience and vastly increased the power of the State.

That is why it was no use anyone going to the Strasbourg Court to win back Christianitys lost status as the dominant faith of Britain. The Church has been humiliated. Britain no longer exists.

True, you can now wear a cross while working for British Airways. But you have that freedom because you are now just another protected minority, which has no more rights or standing than other faiths, such as Atheism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism or Hinduism.

In fact, the Christian religion is worse off than all the others because it has to be constantly reminded that it is not the national religion any more.

This means regular slaps and humiliations of the kind handed out by occupying powers to troublesome peoples not yet used to being subjugated.

The most devastating of these was delivered two years ago by Lord Justice Laws, who personally humbled Lord Carey, a former Archbishop of Canterbury, before jeering at religious opinions as irrational.

He intoned: The precepts of any one religion any belief system cannot, by force of their religious origins, sound any louder in the general law than the precepts of any other.

I dont like this judgment, but it is a deadly accurate statement of the position.
This countrys official faith, as people are slowly discovering, is a code of ideas called Equality and Diversity, based on several European Directives but put into law in Britain mainly through the Equality Act 2010.

The continued existence of a few rather wet bishops in the House of Lords, and various other baubles and trinkets in odd corners of the constitution, means nothing against the Equality and Diversity bulldozer, enacted by Harriet Harman with the willing help of her Tory counterpart, Theresa May. Its demands are written into the contracts of public employees, and supported by the politically correct public-sector unions.

Private firms that do business with the State are roped in. So are (as we have learned in recent years) the owners of small hotels and cafes, adoption agencies, housing associations and councils that have prayers before they meet.

It controls thought and speech in a new post-modern way. Todays liberal bigots dont crudely threaten to throw people in prison for saying things they disapprove of. That might result in protests even from the increasingly spineless people of this country. Instead, they menace our livelihoods. Speak out and you lose your job, with little hope of ever getting another.

This is, of course, tyrannical and brutal. But because it is not the Gestapo, the Stasi or the Gulag, we dont recognise it for what it is.

And because it is done in the name of Rights which sound reassuring and friendly we do not realise that it is, in fact, a deep and shameful wrong. And so it grows worse each day.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011



So if I read right, Hitchens the brother is an arrogant, windbag, racist, Christian?

Man holidays must have been fun, this is some zen poo poo right here.

LP97S
Apr 25, 2008


Glitterbomber posted:

So if I read right, Hitchens the brother is an arrogant, windbag, racist, Christian?

Man holidays must have been fun, this is some zen poo poo right here.

Apparently he said in a debate with his brother that opposed the War in Iraq after some consideration in the beginning, so he's not the most worthless piece of poo poo like his late brother.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009



Martin Luther King Jr. : a proud supporter of the air force
http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123333051

quote:

Dr. King's Dream for the Global Strike Team

Commentary by Warren Ward
Air Force Global Strike Command Programming Division

1/21/2013 - BARKSDALE AIR FORCE BASE, La. -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s 83rd birthday was Jan. 15. . . His courageous crusade for equality was first nationally recognized on Jan. 20, 1986, when President Reagan established the third Monday in January as an official federal government holiday.

Our country, our Air Force and Air Force Global Strike Command can learn much from Dr. King's drive for America to be a nation of equals. . . During his "I Have a Dream" speech given at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. on Aug. 28, 1963, King told a gathering of more than 200,000 Americans, "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the meaning of its creed, 'We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.'"

Dr. King completed his moving presentation with an emphasis on the freedom that equality brings, "...from every mountainside, let freedom ring. . . And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men, white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty we are free at last!"

The Department of Defense is a leader in equal opportunity for all patriots seeking to serve this great nation. . . The vigilant warriors in AFGSC understand they are all equal and unified in purpose to provide a safe, secure and effective deterrent force for the United States. . .

Dr. King would be proud to see our Global Strike team - comprised of Airmen, civilians and contractors from every race, creed, background and religion - standing side-by-side ensuring the most powerful weapons in the U.S. arsenal remain the credible bedrock of our national defense. . . Our team must overlook our differences to ensure perfection as we maintain and operate our weapon systems. . . Maintaining our commitment to our Global Strike team, our families and our nation is a fitting tribute to Dr. King as we celebrate his legacy.

Emden
Oct 5, 2012

by angerbeet


God bless our diverse, multicultural air force. Now when they help to enforce global capitalism I can cheer them on without feeling guilty about it.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

The military: so diverse that 2/3 of combat personnel are nonwhite. Truly we have achieved Dr. King's dream.

Van Kraken
Feb 13, 2012



Today I learned that an article from my school newspaper made the The Atlantic Wire's 50 Worst Columns of 2012:

Hudson 14: Universal suffrage is immoral posted:

In the United States, any citizen who is at least 18 years old and not a convicted felon has the right to vote. Most of us accept and celebrate our universal suffrage. But is it a good idea? In my view, no. Not every adult U.S. citizen should have the right to vote. Instead, only those who pay taxes to a government should be eligible to vote in that governments elections. So, for example, under this system, an adult paying sales tax in Rhode Island but no federal taxes would qualify to vote in Rhode Island state elections but not in federal elections. Restricting the right to vote to taxpayers is moral and practical.

After all, what is a vote? A vote is a piece of control over how the government spends taxpayer money. Every government program, every enforced law and every action taken by the government is funded from tax revenue. This includes government debt, since it must eventually be repaid, and inflation, since it is a tax on the purchasing power of the dollar. Thus, to function, government takes money from group A and distributes money in the form of benefits and programs to group B. Membership in group A and group B may or may not overlap.

It follows that universal suffrage is immoral. Is it right that someone who pays nothing to a government should be able to vote to decide how that government spends other peoples money? Most would agree that controlling how your neighbor or friend spends his or her money is morally wrong. Why, then, do we accept that it is right when government is the middleman between you and your neighbor or you and your friend?

Many will say this comparison is not fair because the government taxes not to steal, but for the good of the public. So if you went to your friend and told him youre taking his money to donate to charitable causes for the good of the public that would be fine? It is noteworthy that we call one case stealing and the other taxation, but they are effectively the same.

Your neighbors money is his money. Therefore, only he gets to vote what he does with it. The case ought to be no different for the government. Only those contributing to the public treasury ought to have a vote in how it is spent.

Apart from being moral, a tax qualification for voting is practical. Consider the old adage nobody spends someone elses money as carefully as his own. If only those contributing voted, money would be spent less freely, since voters would begin to treat the public tax dollars more like their own money. This increase in fiscal responsibility in the government would be a great measure today, when the U.S. government is $16 trillion in debt, not adjusting for unfunded liabilities.

In general, universal suffrage encourages high spending and deficits. When everyone votes, but only a small fraction pay most of the taxes the top 20 percent pay 94 percent of all income taxes in the United States there is incentive for those not paying to vote for greater spending and deficits since they wont have to worry about picking up the tab. We morph into a society of producers and free riders.

Practical reasons then suggest it is in the interests of the countrys economic health to restrict access to the ballot.

While my proposal would do a lot of good, it must be taken a step further to be complete.

The weight of a persons vote should be proportional to the fraction of total revenue he contributes to the government. This, however, presents problems with certain taxes such as the sales tax in determining how much a person has paid to the government.

But it could be applied quite easily to certain taxes, such as the income tax.

Thus, if person A contributes 100 times more than person B in income taxes, person A should have 100 times more voting power than person B. This is the logical extension of the earlier case.

What I am proposing is not a radical, backward idea from a time when voting restrictions were used to exclude certain groups from voting on the basis of gender or race. In fact, what I am proposing is the practice of many societal institutions. Consider the business world. If you own stock in a company, your shareholders vote is in proportion to your ownership of the company.

The U.S. government should be no different. We all own a portion of the government. We ought to elect our representatives, just as stockholders elect their boards of directors, in proportion to our ownership.

A vote is a right, but it should be a privilege.
_________________________/


After the outrage, he wrote a followup that used a made-up Thomas Jefferson quote, completely ignored the Second Industrial Revolution, compared himself to an Aparteid defender () in an appeal to authority from a beloved school ex-president, and reworded wikipedia for his statistics:

Hudson 14: To my outraged readers posted:

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the average annual income of nonfarm workers rose by 75 percent from 1865 to 1900, after adjusting for inflation.

Wikipedia posted:

The average annual income (after inflation) of nonfarm workers grew by 75% from 1865 to 1900, and then grew another 33% by 1918.[1]

At first I thought it was satire, but all his earlier columns are from the same perspective. If it's a joke, he's been playing it straight for a really long time.

Kugyou no Tenshi
Nov 8, 2005

We can't keep the crowd waiting, can we?

Van Kraken posted:

an article from my school newspaper
School newspapers are the worst. I can't remember the year, but when RU-486 was A New Thing, one of the senior editors at my University's paper started off his column with (exact words to the best of my knowledge) "That's right, whores. Are You (RU) for eighty-sixing (486) your baby?" I thought it was a satirical eye-catching type of leadoff, but no, he was dead serious that any woman who used RU-486 was a murdering whore who needed to learn to keep her legs shut and stop expecting people to allow her to kill every time she got too drunk to remember to keep her panties on.

Despite student body outcry, they retained him through the rest of his senior year, and even gave him a little sappy weepy farewell article when he graduated.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Just as a quick question guys, would there be any objection to the rantings of David wong in here? I only ask because I am having touble articulating just what is wrong with one of his articles to other people and though you might be interested. It is not specifically political in nature, but it is an opinion/advice piece and pretty goddamn terrible.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

Is it a Pittsburgh fan?
Is it a Denver fan?
Who can say?

Pope Guilty posted:

'Human Rights are the State religion of Europe...'

I love that some people live in a reality where this can be seen in any way as a bad thing.

Josef bugman posted:

Just as a quick question guys, would there be any objection to the rantings of David wong in here? I only ask because I am having touble articulating just what is wrong with one of his articles to other people and though you might be interested. It is not specifically political in nature, but it is an opinion/advice piece and pretty goddamn terrible.

As in Cracked.com/John Dies at the End David Wong?

Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2013 around 22:32

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Kiwi Bigtree posted:

As in Cracked.com/John Dies at the End David Wong?

Indeed, trying to persuade a friend of an article on the former is a bit skewed in viewpoint.

And yeah, Peter Hitchens can eat a whole bag of dicks. The guy is as close as you can get to an actual facist that you can still be printed in a British newspaper.

King Dopplepopolos
Aug 3, 2007

Give us a raise, loser!

Kiwi Bigtree posted:

I love that some people live in a reality where this can be seen in any way as a bad thing.

That guy is probably the kind of turd who thinks rights are zero sum: rights given to non-whites are rights that are taken away from whites. I still have trouble believing that people actually believe that.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

Is it a Pittsburgh fan?
Is it a Denver fan?
Who can say?

King Dopplepopolos posted:

That guy is probably the kind of turd who thinks rights are zero sum: rights given to non-whites are rights that are taken away from whites. I still have trouble believing that people actually believe that.

What always fascinates about people who discuss "Liberty" always seem to forget there are positive and negative liberties. Every philosopher the founding fathers looked at when crafted the declaration saw that there will always be a fundamental balance of the two. Complete negative liberty is essentially anarchy. The freedom of damaging interference from others is as much a liberty as anything else.

William Bear
Oct 25, 2012

"That's what they all say!"


http://www.familysecuritymatters.or...ur-orc-in-chief

When you compare people you disagree with subhuman monsters, you're lost. Come for the poo poo analogy, but don't forget the racism against Arabs.

I loved:

quote:

Obama is a nihilist at work. He knows what he is doing. As he pretends to saw a woman in half, his believers chuckle and think it's just a trick, and isn't he such a masterful illusionist? What entertainment! But the red spewing from the box isn't Teresa Heinz-Kerry's ketchup, it's real blood, and the screaming victim is but a proxy for everyone in the adulatory audience. They all presume that the woman in the box will go home after the show, coddle her kiddies, and watch "Nature" on PBS while spooning Yoplait and munching on Granola bars.

Looks like meat's back on the menu! +

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ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008


That website only confirms my belief that almost every organization with the word family in its name is run by shitheads.

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King Dopplepopolos
Aug 3, 2007

Give us a raise, loser!

Oh gods, Family Security Matters. They had a piece written by someone who said - I poo poo you not - that we should basically kill all the Iraqis and make Iraq an American state. That superdouche also said we should kill or enslave all the Mexicans. None of this is exaggeration or hyperbole. They pulled both articles without acknowledging their prior existence, but nothing truly disappears from the web.

William Bear
Oct 25, 2012

"That's what they all say!"


Just checked. It's not satire. They're part of the CSP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

Literally fascists. Their motto is "Peace through strength."

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008




King Dopplepopolos posted:

Oh gods, Family Security Matters. They had a piece written by someone who said - I poo poo you not - that we should basically kill all the Iraqis and make Iraq an American state. That superdouche also said we should kill or enslave all the Mexicans. None of this is exaggeration or hyperbole. They pulled both articles without acknowledging their prior existence, but nothing truly disappears from the web.

So I thought you were exaggerating a little bit, but its honestly even crazier than you made it sound.

Philip Atkinson posted:

Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy

President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable -- for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming ex-president Bush or he can become "President-for-Life" Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

Just pretend I bolded the whole thing, because holy poo poo. Literally advocating fascism and genocide.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?


Shalebridge Cradle posted:

So I thought you were exaggerating a little bit, but its honestly even crazier than you made it sound.


Just pretend I bolded the whole thing, because holy poo poo. Literally advocating fascism and genocide.

Also the fact that those comments about Caesar were incorrect as gently caress. Yes Caesar was safe after returning to Rome and he did not wipe out the Gauls.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

King Dopplepopolos posted:

That guy is probably the kind of turd who thinks rights are zero sum: rights given to non-whites are rights that are taken away from whites. I still have trouble believing that people actually believe that.

"I literally don't know the difference between race/sex/gender privilege and rights." -Some shitbag, probably every year ever

Urban Space Cowboy
Feb 15, 2009

All these Coyote avatars...they make me nervous...like somebody's pulling a prank on the entire forum!

Josef bugman posted:

Just as a quick question guys, would there be any objection to the rantings of David wong in here?
Yes yes go ahead.

I'm not familiar with Wong's writing, but I've been linked his "What is the Monkeysphere?" article a few times and found it a longform excuse for otherizing people who are different.

Ohthehugemanatee
Oct 18, 2005


bobkatt013 posted:

Also the fact that those comments about Caesar were incorrect as gently caress. Yes Caesar was safe after returning to Rome and he did not wipe out the Gauls.

You know you're a history nerd when you read that kind of thing and what really upsets you is the conflating of Augustus and Julius as well as the glossing over of years of horrible civil war.

God damnit fascists, I expect better of you than this.

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012


Ohthehugemanatee posted:

You know you're a history nerd when you read that kind of thing and what really upsets you is the conflating of Augustus and Julius as well as the glossing over of years of horrible civil war.

God damnit fascists, I expect better of you than this.

Fascism is reliant on worship of an idealized past state, something that is incompatible with deep knowledge of history and the application of critical thought.

The 40th Anniversary of Roe v. Wade was just a few days ago, right? Have a terrible letter from my local paper!

We mourn victims of Holocaust, slavery, yet continue to allow killing of unborn posted:

Many within the movement of saving lives of the unborn have been discouraged by the surge of abortion power of our president and those he chooses to support.

But the truth is, there still is no more important issue than life itself.

While we mourn the millions of Jews killed in the Holocaust, while we pray never to again repeat the devaluing of life that was endured during our nations season of slavery, we continue to multiply many times over both of those sins.

Weve been complicit in taking the lives of more than 55 million children we decided we owned slavery at its most obnoxious level of narcissistic behavior. We turn up the levels of media/cultural babble so we dont have to hear the cries of those being slaughtered in the womb shades of the Christians singing hymns louder so they wouldnt have to hear the screams of the Jewish people being carried along the train rails through their communities.

Yes, I pray that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. And when it happens, as a nation, we will look back and wonder how we allowed it to continue right under our noses.

But I also pray that God grants all of us who are weary the strength to fight the giants of this battle the abortion clinic docs, the Planned Parenthoods of this world and the media and celebs who turn away from looking at real pictures shown on ultrasounds (unless, of course, they are of their children, and then they post them on Facebook).

God give us the strength to fight like the warriors He calls us to be.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Urban Space Cowboy posted:

Yes yes go ahead.


Will do, in general I know that there is something wrong with the article itself, but maybe its more the audience that it is intended for as opposed to the content. Here we go "Some Gumf about harsh truths"

Crameltonian
Mar 27, 2010


Ohthehugemanatee posted:

You know you're a history nerd when you read that kind of thing and what really upsets you is the conflating of Augustus and Julius as well as the glossing over of years of horrible civil war.

God damnit fascists, I expect better of you than this.

I'm not mad, more highly amused. The idea of someone holding up the Roman Empire as a paragon of internal stability free from civil war is far too amusing to take seriously.

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Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

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Josef bugman posted:

Will do, in general I know that there is something wrong with the article itself, but maybe its more the audience that it is intended for as opposed to the content. Here we go "Some Gumf about harsh truths"
It's just a bunch of garbage. It's basically "your life sucks because you assume people aren't terrible, so become terrible yourself!" It's stupid nerd poo poo that if you've been a nerd on the Internet you've seen a thousand times before. His style is terrible, too, and he sounds like a jackass. Apparently he's in his late 30s, which surprised me; the advice sounds like something someone would think is good when they're 20.

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