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Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Bruce Leroy posted:

Here's a new one courtesy of Right Wing Watch, loving outside of marriage is the cause of the national debt:

I really love how these people always assume "my people" and "Chosen One' somehow refers to America. Not even the whole planet/species generically, but specifically America and its people. Like Abraham was specifically writing for a country that would exist 3500 years down the line.

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Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

SteveVizsla posted:

The Delaware State News letters to the editor are always a bunch of crazy conservative and/or racist and/or delusional hogwash. This one was in today's edition. The author is a woman who is running for state Representative. Yes, Delaware apparently has a congress-hopeful woman more batshit than Christine O'Donnell (although both came from other states to live here).


:3:

Death Panels! Socialists! Abortions paid for by taxpayers! The Interstate Commerce Act! Wait, what?
Correct me if I'm wrong, not all that familiar with US law, but isn't the Interstate Commerce Act what actually gives the federal government the right to regulate Health Care?

SteveVizsla posted:

By the way, her current job is listed as "website designer." This is her website. Well, if she's so good at that job...

I like the artifacts on the obviously stolen and resized donate button. Really professional.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

SteveVizsla posted:

She probably meant the Interstate Commerce Clause.

My favorite part of her website is "I want to bring to Washington my experience of balancing a budget." She balances the budget for her family, so she can do it for an entire country, too!

"How will you reduce the deficit?"

"Coupons, and going to the dollar store"

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Saint Sputnik posted:

lovely opinions from a bunch of lovely Hoosiers, in bite-size

Satire is dead.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012


gently caress, the comments on those articles are hilarious. People coming in with 300k incomes, trying to explain why "we really aren't that rich, we can barely afford a country club membership". And then trying to tell people that OWS occurs because those people lacked an incentive to work, so they just became shiftless and lazy and that's why they have nothing.

If you are in the top 2.9% for yearly income, you are, relative to other people in your country, extremely wealthy. I don't care that you find it hard to pay the property taxes on 1.5 acres outside New York. You own 1.5 acres! gently caress these people for trying to explain why they have it so tough to the people underneath them.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

quote:

The act is also harmful, especially when it reduces bribes, because much bribery is an attempt to get around laws that make little sense in the first place.

I love this logic. This is basically saying that,if you feel the law doesn't make sense, you should be entitled to pay money to the government to circumvent it. Asbestos in the walls? Screw it, bribe the inspector, wouldn't want to shut down business for well-intentioned but foolish ideas like "health concerns". Farm operation dangerously close to poisoning the nearby river due to improper containment of animal waste? Screw it, bribe time, wouldn't want to impose extra safety costs on industry.



Free Market Principles at their finest!

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Mike Rosen seems to have confused employment with indentured servitude.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Being Pro-Islam in a Christian country makes you an enemy of religious freedom.

It's only cognitive dissonance if you accept religions other than Christianity as valid.

Must say, I do like the idea that Obama has personally caused sugarcane prices to skyrocket over the past 3 years. Have these people never heard of inflation? Do they assume he's just going around burning the cane fields to make kids healthy or something?

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

quote:

Pro-choice and pro-life philosophies regarding abortion seem to have little room for compromise. Maybe a live-and-let-live agreement would work.

This one isn't terrible, but I really wish it didn't pop up so often. Do people think Planned Parenthood are going out, demanding women have unwanted abortions?

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Nick_326 posted:

This is kind of off topic, but I realized that not everyone is aware of the fact that Phillips is an absolutely evil bastard.

I'll let David Wong explain:


So yeah, gently caress Tim Phillips. Just wanted to point that out.

Jesus loving Christ. How is it that people talking about what "good Christians" should do are always the most cartoonishly evil of them all?

Don't bother answering that question. I know the answer is hypocrisy and the lack of a soul. It's just flabbergasting sometimes.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

joepinetree posted:

She has been let go:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/a-note-to-readers/46608


Cue angry conservatives calling petition-signers fascists and lamenting the fact that the Chronicle caved into "liberal peer-pressure" in the comments.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Saint Sputnik posted:


He was never nominated for a Pulitzer

For what?

Seriously. His Liberal Fascism book was a loving joke.

"Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian?" "Did you know Hitler thought educating youth was important?"

What the gently caress could he have written that warrants either the Pulitzer or the Atlantic even mentioning him.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Pththya-lyi posted:

Oh yeah! My dad owns that book, and he wholeheartedly believes that liberals ARE fascists by another name. :smith:

E: Wiki says that fascism is the fraternal twin to modern liberalism through their mother, :siren:PROGRESSIVISM.:siren:

Right. Both Liberalism and Fascism want to change society (:stonk:) towards what they consider better. This makes them the same in every respect. You can tell because Hitler may have done some things vaguely associated with liberalism at some point.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

quote:

choosing government over God as their provider

How dare those poor people depend on the government for money. They should just pray for it, like (presumably) all the rich people did! That always works, God always answers prayers. Just ask Rick Perry about the droughts in Texas. HE didn't/doesn't need any fancy government "water use planning" when he knows he can pray to the Big G in the sky to turn on the tap!

Oh, wait...

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

I was always under the impression that the industrial revolution is what made cotton in the South so profitable. Cotton isn't useful in large quantities unless you can process it efficiently, which is what the Cotton Gin did. Factories in the north demanding cotton for their textiles is what fulled the expansion of southern plantations and the continuous import of more slaves, depressing local labour markets and making plantation owners hugely rich.



Then these same plantation owners convince their poor, destitute neighbours that it's really black people's fault all the land is growing cotton now and there are no jobs, not the fault of the assholes on top who set up the system in the first place. They convinced the poor commoners to fight a war to maintain a system that was loving them over and was slowly destroying their society. This is not to mention the huge environmental problems that came from soil depletion after continuously growing the same cash crop year after year. In no way was slavery in the South necessary or sustainable, on top of it being morally wrong. There was nothing of "self-preservation" in the civil war, unless you count the preservation of inflated profits of Southern landowners.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Senor Gato posted:

Well, I'm admittedly not an expert, but many Southerners were convinced that Lincoln was going to be a tyrant who'd take their slaves and freedoms away, and destroy Southern culture and institutions; that's why poor white people fought so hard for the Confederacy. They enslaved an entire race of people (or at least, in the case of poor whites who couldn't afford slaves, treated them as less than equal members of society), and projected their own motives and thought processes onto others. Thus, in their eyes, abolitionism became an attempt to relegate white Southerners to second-class citizens. It's sort of like how homophobes are always afraid that gay people and tolerant straight people are going to start bullying and ostracizing them or whatever.

Oh, I'm sure they thought they were doing the right thing. I was just trying to point out that Southern culture would have had a reckoning at some point, even if they'd managed to successfully secede. Eventually, the problems inherent with the Southern economy being powered by slavery would have caused a collapse. Nothing about slavery, as a method of social control or otherwise, ensured the long-term survival of Southern culture. So H.V. Traywick Jr. can go gently caress himself,glorious Dixie wouldn't have been any better off now if it had somehow managed to preserve its backwards and terrible institutions.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

The omission in the first article makes me think that the reporter's letting some bias through.

Although I have to wonder how mainstream it is for psychologists to explain pedophilia in terms of reenacting past trauma. I know kids will do that and it can be a sign of abuse and that there's a strong correlation between growing up with domestic violence and either being abused or being an abuser.

But pedophilia seems like it's usually explained as something innate and incurable, since kids who reenact their abuse are usually suffering from PTSD and can be helped with regular therapy and people always talk about how therapy doesn't help child molesters. Maybe I've just been watching too much Law and Order.

I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that pedophilia is just another form of paraphilia, that is a divergent sexual attraction brought on by conditioning. It's not necessarily abuse that does it, but I'm pretty sure it's never been linked to any innate characteristics or neurology, they way being gay or trans* has.

From googleing, it doesn't seem that there has been a lot of study into the causes or treatments of pedophilia, although they are available.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Fandyien posted:

One of today's letters to the editor in the local paper threw me at first, I was stunned it wasn't a generic ARE TROOPS, but actually much, much more reprehensible.


Every day when I wake up, I pour myself a cup of coffee, step outside and light a cigarette, and crack open the editorial page. Starting every day with a dose of pure :psyduck: can't possibly be healthy.

So it's pretty rare that I find myself wanting to write in and respond, but this undoubtedly rascal-bound degenerate's dismissal of 200 years of progress is probably the worst thing I've ever read. Idolizing strike breaking teachers? What in the absolute gently caress?

It's terrible that generations bled so this rear end in a top hat could feel this way.

Even if you agree with his position, why would categorize him as a hero?

"It is heroic to use your power as a government official to enact sweeping legislation that affects hundreds of thousands, then spend millions of dollars fighting off a legitimate attack on your power through established means codified in state law"

There's nothing heroic about the man on top kicking people off the hill. Call me the next time it's revealed unions tried to assassinate a right-wing politician, instead of the other way around.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Zwabu posted:

David Brooks makes the case that America's WASP ruling elites of a century ago are superior to current elites that are determined by more meritocratic methods than genealogy, apparently because they had that whole noblesse oblige going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/opinion/brooks-why-our-elites-stink.html


It's kind of amazing to me that in 2012 a guy writing op/eds for the New York Times could give the idea of an exclusive WASP upper crust a handjob like this.

Yes, I too remember when banks were moral, and only had what was best in mind for society, never speculated excessively and never behaved in a predatory nature. As is shown by the Capital Asset Pricing Model (CAPM), bankers always accurately weigh risk and return, and are never greedy or reckless in the playing of the market.

Oh, wait.

In sum:




E:

Saint Sputnik posted:

Here's a Tom Metzger letterdump

It scares me that he follows all the insane, racist bullshit with that last mostly sane and evenhanded letter.

You just have to remember that Ron Paul libertarians like this guy (I assume he is one, he just seems like he would be) only support stopping American military actions to isolate themselves as much as possible from all the brown people, rather than any genuine concern for all the lives being lost(except white soldiers obviously).

VVVVV So yeah, even more proof for my hypothesis. It is weird that one of the more progressive ideas (not having an interventionist military smashing other countries apart) present in conservative America should pull from racism.

Political Whores fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 1, 2012

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Bruce Leroy posted:

I like how he quotes Jesus speaking to the woman accused of adultery but fails to mention that Jesus never actually condemned homosexuality, nor does he cite any statistics about Catholic acceptance of homosexuality.


Right-wing Catholics seem to be the ones most likely to cite Church authority in matters that affirm their preexisting beliefs and biases, especially since the hierarchy tends to be quite conservative, but they purposely ignore and downplay how the vast majority of Catholics live their actual lives, like 98% of sexually active Catholic women having used contraceptives at some point despite the Church being completely against them.

I really feel bad for Catholics, because when you see stuff like Liberation theology in South America, or look into the American Nuns, you realize that there's a lot of good that comes from it. It always seems that the further people in the Church are from actual contact with the poor and marginalized, the more hateful and bigoted they are (not that this is surprising).

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

There's a poo poo ton of research that has gone into why the prevailing gender ratio of 51%(M) to 49%(F) exists, and what factors trigger it. I remember reading a study that linked it more to the fact that male embryos are generally more susceptible to complications, so that in situations where the mother's health is compromised (ie. stress, malnutrition, etc.) male fetuses are more likely to die or simply not be viable early on. So, really, evidence shows the opposite, boys are more common in times of plenty because fewer of them die in the womb.


Fake Edit: Found the link

http://www.livescience.com/574-survival-fetus-males-rough.html

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Presto posted:

From the local paper...

Everybody wins with Voter ID law


I don't even know where to start. :psyduck:

:argh:

What a condescending piece of poo poo.

"Maybe if those lazy assholes get off their duffs and go get an ID, with the 50$ they don't actually have, at the DMV they can't afford to stay at for 6 hours on a working day, they'd realize it was their fault their life sucks, not the system that is trying to put up yet more barriers to their participation in a most blatant perversion of democracy"

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Goddamn I hate Chicago school economics. All I ask is just one example where lowering the corporate tax-rate increased the government take or the standard of living, anywhere. Just one example of the actual "tax hell" effect they claim exists. It would still be anecdotal, but right now the one major example they have under Reagan had the exact opposite effect. That's not science, that's a goddamn cult belief.

And they managed to sell this idea to the rest of the planet.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Man, it's not like statistically, the person most likely to harm a child is not some unspecified monster on the edges of society, but someone that the child (and their parents) know and often trust. If only we taught our kids more about how dangerous those foreigners monsters are, kids wouldn't be in danger, and diplomats would never be killed.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

"Southerners are good people, and many of them are friends with black people. They just draw the line at them using the front door of the hotel, or the front seats on the bus..."

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Durgoc posted:

As if voting turnout wasn't low enough already.

On that note, does anyone have a good resource breaking down voting statistics by race, income level, age or anything like that? I can only find a total voter turnout %.

Here's a breakdown of voter registration and turnout by age, gender and race. From US Census Bureau

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

hallebarrysoetoro posted:

I never knew letting everyone vote was basically communism if you think about it

That's not what Marx wrote :argh:, Stop calling Obama a Marxist you fucks. If he was, I'd like him better!

quote:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

I have some problems with Marx's philosophy, but at least I took the time to actually read his goddamn works, instead of whatever game of broken telephone this rear end in a top hat played. With the amount it's been twisted to fit Obama, it's like reading a book on loving Nostradamus prophecies.

Political Whores fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Dec 11, 2012

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Boondock Saint posted:

Well a friend just found this gem...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335996/newtown-answers-nro-symposium?pg=1



Republicans, literally children.

Bolding mine.

Joementum posted:

The best/worst part of that article is that it's not even loving true that there weren't any manly, husky, burly men around.

quote:

Kevin Anzellotti, the head custodian at Sandy Hook, is a man. Theodore Varga, a fourth grade teacher, also possesses XY chromosomes. I just did the research Allen didn't do, and it took all of fourteen seconds. Beyond that, though -- why does no one who writes this way look into the circumstances of other massacres? The second person shot by Jared Loughner was Gabe Zimmerman, an aide to Gabby Giffords who, hearing the gunshot that would cripple her, turned and stepped toward Loughner. The gunman shot Zimmerman in the head. The fourth person shot by Loughner was Giffords's aide Ron Barber, who survived shots to the cheek and groin. He was saved by John Roll, who lunged at the aide and was shot fatally in the back. Loughner did all of this in less than six seconds. Grown men in good health were cut down, because bullets move faster than people do.


Her article also says that the manly men on Flight 93 were able to stop the terrorists, so why couldn't anyone stop Lanza? Yeah.

Just because this talking point has to be refuted whenever possible.

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

A better title for this one would be "The Naturalistic Fallacy."

What the hell was even the point of that article? Like, I don't understand what those two pages were trying to get at. I mean, I've actually heard about the concept he's talking about, but it was just a general statistical observation about primates, it doesn't actually mean we have preset limits to our empathy. This guy seems like someone who states perfectly obvious conclusions as if he's imparting divine knowledge, like at the end of this one where he's basically just saying "reality is complex, humans tend to otherize the outgroup, and politicians are often not doing it out of a sense of duty to society" as if this was some sort of earth-shattering revelation. What a smug shitheel.

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Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Strudel Man posted:

The point of the article is that there are preset (soft) limits to our empathy. You can disbelieve it, but I don't know how you can miss what is being said.

Someone saying that a phenomenon is "the single reason society doesn't work" probably isn't saying that phenomenon is a good thing.

But that's not a novel idea, and the reason society works the way it does, a rule based system of governance based on general moral precepts, is precisely because empathy isn't enough to direct human action to the greater social benefit. His explanations are reductive and stupid, and his piece ultimately has no point, it doesn't suggest anything beyond superficial platitudes.

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