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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:There's no party-splitting dungeon in this game, as far as I remember. The Atherum. 
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Oh yeah, right. But we're already past that, and there's no annoying constantly switching around there. You get the second party for like three minutes before you join up again and it's very straightforward.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:There's no party-splitting dungeon in this game, as far as I remember. Also, gently caress every single Graces f future arc dungeon, they're just awful. Graces seemed to have, like... Particularly bad dungeons. There were only a few that I really enjoyed. But the weapon system was good, and everything about the fighting system was amazing, so... It's still probably my favorite. Now if only we could have, uh, the first 2/3rds of Vesperia in Graces' engine...
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About Mystic Artes: I was remembering back to when we recruited Judith to the party. I believe she was looking for her spear that she lost. I take when we find it (cause I'm certain we will), she'll unlock her Mystic Arte?
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Thankfully no, since the spear is so ridiculously easy to miss permanently, requiring it to make her learn her MA would just be needlessly dickish. It does have have some unique high-end skills but nothing too necessary. Besides, if it could teach her her MA, she would know it already considering how long she must've been carrying it around, although that's just applying crazy normal logic to JRPG logic.
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Adelheid Stark posted:Graces seemed to have, like... Particularly bad dungeons. There were only a few that I really enjoyed. But the weapon system was good, and everything about the fighting system was amazing, so... It's still probably my favorite. Now if only we could have, uh, the first 2/3rds of Vesperia in Graces' engine... Pretty much this. For all the faults Graces's story has (and man does it have faults), the combat system is the best Tales system yet and I really wish we could just retroactively use it for every previous Tales game. I hear Xillia trends more towards Vesperia-style combat, but does include Graces's (and Destiny R's, I think?) CC so maybe linking artes in that one won't require arbitrary skills? That'll be neat.
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So let's see what's up in the control room, shall we? Watch the cutscene!    The Royal Guard have been taken out...   You were the one who wiped out all these people. I don't want anybody else getting in my way. We've got no time to play with you. Where's Alexei? Where's he taken Estelle? Heh heh heh. He's not here! He was never even here to begin with. What?!  Heh, gotta hand it to him... He drew the Knights and all of us to Heracles... Meanwhile, he slips out the back... Man, just when I thought I couldn't hate that guy any more.  Shut up! Let's get this party started! I hate having to repeat myself. We've got no time for you, so take a walk! If you wanna get in our way, you'd better be ready to hit the ground. Hah hah hah... Good, Yuri... Hate me! Come on! Hate me! There is no finer spice in all the world! Hah hah hah! ... Is he just getting in our way to make us angry? He's hopeless. Now...let us finish this, Yuri Lowell! And this guy again. This battle is fairly unremarkable.  Listen to the full conversation! Hahaha! I'm so happy to see you again! Dammit, how long are you gonna keep chasing us? How unfortunate. This time, I will destroy that arm. You still have that arm. I guess you're just as happy we met as I am. Like hell! This really isn't funny. I'm so happy I could cry. Heh heh heh... Hahaha! What is with that idiot? Let's get this over with and find Alexei! Stay out of our way! Right now, I'm the most important thing you got. Seriously, drop it already. I'm tired of listening. Let's fight. Rest in peace!His attacks and patterns are pretty much the same as in the last fight with him. After you get him down to half health he does this:  He puts on a poison parfume and gains some poisoning attacks.  The secret mission is to get rid of it. We can do that using Karol's Nice Recovery Smash.     After that, the battle proceds just as before.    Just hit him enough and he'll go down fairly quickly.    He drops a Dark Seal, and a Poison Charm as the secret mission reward. Meh.   Achievement/Trophy:  Secret Mission 14 (360) / Secret Mission 15 (PS3) Watch the cutscene if you skipped the battle!  You've got dependency issues, you know that? Enough is enough!    I'm on it!  ...It stopped. That's our genius mage. Flynn should be able to commandeer Heracles now. ...Estelle... Where have they taken you? Rita...  If he keeps forcing Estelle to use her power... She could really unleash the Adephagos! Not on our watch. That's what we're here for, right? Heracles must be using a Hermes blastia too. That's the only thing that could power something this big. We've gotta find Alexei, fast! Ba'ul can help us follow the disturbance in the aer. If Estelle is being forced to use her power, we will find her. All right...     ...We're movin' again! Hah hah hah hah! Yuri! Come fly with me! Argh... My body... It's no use... We can't treat everyone at once without Estelle's healing artes We can't let it end here...! Let's do it!Suddenly!       Yeager! What's going on?! It would be very bad, yes very bad for business indeed, if the empire got too big for its britches. Alexei has gone to Zaphias. The Sword Stair of Zaphias has a secret, you know. I thought for sure that he'd need Dein Nomos to use as a key. Ja, but it looks like he's planning to use your little Princess instead. What?!  Man, this isn't good. At this rate we're gonna flatten the lower quarter of Zaphias. Rita! It's no good! This thing is totalled! We just have to cut its power!   Yeager. Just what is it he's after? Let's think about that later. Right now we've got to stop Heracles. I know. Let's go find the engine room.   Guess we have to get into the engine room. If you remember, that's that heavily guarded room we saw before. So let's get back there.      Skit: Zagi It's not my place to comment on your friendships, but... What is it, Judy? I think it'd be a good idea if you cut your ties with this Zagi character. I've been hacking away at them since we first met, believe me! Where'd you run into such a...unique individual? He seems ta be a pretty stubborn fan. In the castle, right before I left the capital behind. Flynn was supposedly his original target, but before I knew it he got sort of fixated on me. It can't be easy having such a crazy admirer. Tell me about it. That's the kind of love I can do without.  Skit: Leviathan's Claw What's Yeager thinking? It's almost like he's trying to help us. Well, he said himself that he didn't want the empire becoming too powerful. Then maybe it's safe ta take him at his word. He lays that whole nut job act on pretty thick, but he is in the business of sellin' weapons. And if the empire was on top, and the world was at peace, well, nobody would need any weapons. That would make sense. So, he's trying to drag the fighting out as long as he can. And that's no good for anybody. I...I won't let him get away with it! ...Yeah. On the way there Raven learns Falling Stars, where he fires a very slow arrow that gains speed over time and can hit multiple times. Kinda nice.    This also reminded me that I could show off Raven's Mystic Arte, although we've already seen it in the Schwann fight. But anyway. Watch the Mystic Arte!      Using that triggers a skit. Skit: Strain on the Heart Spaaaaark! Did ya see my amazin' performance out there?! Yeah, you were great. But are you okay? Huh? I mean, doesn't it strain your heart when you do an arte like that? Mmmm, aw, I'll be fine. You sure? Well, go easy on yourself. I wonder if my heart really can take it...Also, Yuri learns Lone Wolf Charge:    And I finally think of using that Bastion skill on Dein Nomos to get Guardian Field from Crushing Eagle:    The same as Flynn's, a small circle that hurts enemies and heals allies for a short while.  Eventually, we reach the engine room's entrance. Watch the cutscene! Watch the PS3 version of this cutscene! (Japanese voices)    Alexei has been using the Knights for his own personal gain...!Knight A: What are you talking about! The Commandant is a honor to the knights, and someone we should all follow. Knight B: Flynn is trying to overthrow His Excellency. He's the real traitor!    Don't they teach you knights how to say a simple thank you? I will never give thanks to you as long as I live!  Jeez, how many times am I gonna have to say this? We don't have time to mess around with you. If you really want to do this, then we won't hold back. There's something else we've gotta be doing, so try and keep out of the way. So you plan to rescue Lady Estellise? Yeah. So come on, put down your sword. He's right, ya know. Nobody'd come out a winner in this fight. Captain Schwann... The name's Raven. You'll remember that for me, wontcha? Yuri Lowell. Don't think I've forgiven you. A criminal like you has no place beside my Captain. And? What do you plan to do about it? Once I finish cleaning up to this mess, I'll be back to deliver your punishment.  Understood. I will come at once.Sodia leaves with the knight. In the PS3 version, Flynn leaves together with her.  If we don't bring this thing down right now, they're gonna have more than just a headache. All right. Off ta the engine room we go.We can't just catch a break from Sodia, can we? Anyway, with that out of the way and Flynn gone, we can get into the engine room.   You don't actually need to fight any of the enemies, just slip through and open the door.  Behind it is an elevator and two chests, one of which is another fake type:   I have to wonder why there are so many one-time-only variations of that enemy.  Anyway. Up the elevator, we find... Watch the cutscene!  The blastia's out of control! Looks like Zagi smashing up that control panel did more damage than we thought. So, so what the hell are we gonna do about this thing? Wait! I don't think waiting is going to do us any good.  Aer is being transferred at a tremendous rate. There can only be one place something this big could be sending that much power. A cannon?! If we were to destroy this blastia now... It might stop Heracles, but the cannon could go off and blow Zaphias clean off the map! No way! S-so what should we do?! Well, whatever we do, we have to stop this aer. Dein Nomos, huh? Oh yeah! That's what Duke used to get the aer back under control. Can you really do that? I don't really have a choice. Here goes nothing. This is a small and rather uninteresting room, we can just walk around either way to the top.   Watch the cutscene!   You can do it, Yuri. Apatheia... It's creating interference with the blastia and causing the aer to go out of control. Are we gonna break it...? It's like one of the Entelexeia's souls, right? Fraid that's what it's down to. If Heracles keeps goin', we can kiss Zaphias goodbye. Not ta mention that cannon might decide ta go off. Yeah. We have to act now!  ???: Thank you.  Huh...? It's stopped? What about the cannon?! Not good! At this rate it's going to fire! No way?! We shut the power off!       Well, I suppose that's one way to alter a mobile fortress' firing path.        I never quite got why Heracles fires to the left of Zaphias here. It was apparently pointing straight at the capital before, and Flynn's ships clearly ram it from the left side, so shouldn't it fire to the right? Also that laser/explosion is ridiculously huge.  Hah...there he goes again. Showing off, as usual. Hey, am I the only one who heard a voice when you cut the apatheia? No. That might've been the voice of whatever Entelexeia it used to be. It was like the consciousness within the apatheia willed the aer back to normal. I'll call Ba'ul. We should get somewhere out in the open. We've lost too much time gettin' sucked into this Heracles decoy business. Let's hurry! Willed the aer back to normal... The apatheia and aer... The Rizomata Formula and Estelle... Back in control, we just have to walk back to where we originally entered this place. Skit: Zaphias Is Safe Whew! That was a close call. I did NOT want to watch the lower quarter get destroyed right in front of me. We owe your friend a debt of thanks. He's not too subtle, though. He went ahead, with his Knights and all of us still in here. Flynn would do just about anything to defend the capital. And he'd use his own body to shield everyone else. That's his thing. Kid's got more nerve than I gave him credit for... What'd you expect? He's Yuri's friend. Thankfully, there's a shortcut in the lower right of this engine room.   Yeah...thanks. Everyone, get on. You won't get away this time, Alexei!And that's it for Heracles. That took way too long. Next time, we're gonna attack Alexei! Or at least fly in his general direction. 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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:
 I do love how this game has Yuri and friends gradually get more and more tired of Zagi being a dick. They always wind up voicing my own sentiments quite nicely.
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You've got dependency issues, you know that?! Enough is enough!
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Actually, thinking of the physics that thing could have, depending on which side of the left side got pushed harder, it could twist a bit to the left and get that firing angle.
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Hm, yeah, I suppose it looks like they push from the back-left rather than simply from the left. That kinda makes sense I guess.
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For some reason I find Sodia really annoying. She doesn't seem to be doing that much, but every time she's around I just kinda stop caring.
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She is annoying, and she has tunnel vision regarding Yuri. Focusing on how much she hates him even when there are more important things at stake.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:
You can even see it beginning to twist in a previous screenshot:
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I believe Sodia when she said that she didn't need Yuri's help to deal with the last two guards. The dialogue says that Alexi took Estelle to Zaphias... but Heracles was going to shoot at Zaphias. So was the plan to have that big laser blast Estelle and the capital off the map? That doesn't sound right.
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I don't think he was planning on actually firing it, Zagi blowing poo poo up is what made the aer all crazy.
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Yeah, Heracles was pointed at Zaphias because it had to look like Alexei was taking the slow route there. The only reason the gun went off was that Alexei didn't account for Zagi, and in fairness, nobody ever accounts for Zagi.
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You can't account for crazy. Truly crazy and dangerous people are just as likely to jump off a bridge as they are to cross it. And with the same reason for both decisions.
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I think we have not seen the last of Zagi yet, and I would laugh if he appears later and somehow make it possible to beat Alexei and/or whatever boss after that.
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So Rita shuts the ship down. Zagi shoots a person near a control panel, which, instead of simply blowing up the control panel, turns the ship back on, blows up the control panel, turns on the big cannon with no way to shut it down? That's one incredibly poorly designed ship.
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I just want a Radiant Historia-style ending where Yuri lets the big cannon fire at the city to prevent the destruction of the world's aer.
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Glazius posted:I just want a Radiant Historia-style ending where Yuri lets the big cannon fire at the city to prevent the destruction of the world's aer. That would be followed by Karol and Patty revealing themselves to be magic elves; they'd say that you screwed up and need to choose again!
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:So Rita shuts the ship down. Zagi shoots a person near a control panel, which, instead of simply blowing up the control panel, turns the ship back on, blows up the control panel, turns on the big cannon with no way to shut it down? If Zagi's shot consisted of a stupidly large amount of aer, and Heracles runs on chugging stupidly large amounts of aer, it may have had overloaded the control panel and activated all of its functions, including "fire giant gently caress-off cannon." Like if a lightning bolt struck or something. Totally conjecture and not supported by anything but it's the best I got. v  v
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all evil fortresses have these kind of features required by evil-law. It's the same deal with the one-klick self destruct button.
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Me too, especially as you encounter him in more and more outlandish locations. Fights with Zagi are spaced juuuust far enough apart that you forget about him each time, and he never really seems to have much to do with what's happening in the actual plot so there's never really any foreshadowing that he's going to show up. Add all that up and there's a real surprise element of "We're fighting who now? Him again, seriously? What the hell is that rear end in a top hat even doing here?" To which the only possible answer is that Zagi's just really that dedicated to his unrequited rivalry with Yuri and is running around the world looking for your party, like some weird reverse FF7 scenario.
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Junkozeyne posted:all evil fortresses have these kind of features required by evil-law. Exactly. It's required by the Evil Overlord List.
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President of Space posted:Me too, especially as you encounter him in more and more outlandish locations. Fights with Zagi are spaced juuuust far enough apart that you forget about him each time, and he never really seems to have much to do with what's happening in the actual plot so there's never really any foreshadowing that he's going to show up. Add all that up and there's a real surprise element of "We're fighting who now? Him again, seriously? What the hell is that rear end in a top hat even doing here?" To which the only possible answer is that Zagi's just really that dedicated to his unrequited rivalry with Yuri and is running around the world looking for your party, like some weird reverse FF7 scenario. It's really, really great to have this, especially when you have Flynn as a "real" rival, complete with (sometimes grudgingly) joining the party. Other games stop there; this one throws in some batshit crazy motherfucker that wants nothing more than a good fight. And another. And another. E: Some would argue "Someone like that serves no gameplay purpose other than as a padding boss!" But that's exactly what makes him well-written; he doesn't give a flying poo poo about what you're trying to do. He's found you, he's gonna fight you, right here, right now. He doesn't care about serving or stopping some grand scheme. His fights are on his terms, which is basically "wherever I happen to catch you". Raitzeno fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 24, 2012 |
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Yeah, Zagi is one of my favorite re-occuring mini bosses in any game really. He's just so bugnuts crazy I can't help but grin whenever he pops back up.
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So this is from waaay back, did they ever tell us what it was Estelle needed to contact Flynn about? She said his life was in danger, but we never really see what she meant. It couldn't have been Zagi, because she only just met him the same time Yuri did.
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They don't really address it anymore, no (not in the 360 version, at least...). Still, most of it can be inferred -- it wasn't necessarily Zagi, but he did attack Yuri taking him for Flynn in the first fight, so it's fair to assume Leviathan's Claw had infiltrated the castle to assassinate Flynn and she had the dumb luck to see them and realize what they were doing. And now it can be further inferred that Alexei was the one who hired the hit in the first place, because he thought Flynn would be nosey enough to eventually discover his plans. ...Actually, come to think of it, since they added Flynn to the party in the PS3 version, there aren't any script changes in the control room, are there, Admiral Curtiss? Does Zagi at least acknowledge Flynn's existence or is he still completely fixated on Yuri? vv Heh, go figure. Wild Knight fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jul 24, 2012 |
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Wild Knight posted:...Actually, come to think of it, since they added Flynn to the party in the PS3 version, there aren't any script changes in the control room, are there, Admiral Curtiss? Does Zagi at least acknowledge Flynn's existence or is he still completely fixated on Yuri? Zagi doesn't acknowledge Flynn at all.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Zagi doesn't acknowledge Flynn at all. See, I get why this might disappoint some people but I think it also makes sense this way. I like to think that by this point since Zagi is no longer a contracted assassin he's basically become a crazy drifter. Consequently it actually makes sense that he doesn't acknowledge Flynn because he never give a poo poo about him. "Flynn Scifo" was just a job, a name on a contract. Flynn was Zagi's 10:30. You know how when you quit a job you start forgetting various mundane aspects of it? The Flynn assassination was one of those things and now Zagi's forgotten about it since he's living the dream. Yuri Lowell... that feud is totally real man. The lack of new dialogue is almost certainly just because of  , but I like my explanation better.
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Adus posted:She is annoying, and she has tunnel vision regarding Yuri. Focusing on how much she hates him even when there are more important things at stake. I think it comes from the fact she may have a crush on Flynn and the fact that he's best friend is a dude who's committed murder, and Flynn's overlooking it...kinda... Jeek posted:I think we have not seen the last of Zagi yet, and I would laugh if he appears later and somehow make it possible to beat Alexei and/or whatever boss after that. I want to say we have, but we most certainly haven't. Dunno how, or by who, but I think he gets a shitton of power, and the results are not pretty Like the main characters, I am sick of Zagi. He has an unhealthy, annoying obsession with Yuri, and is an all around creeper. And no one likes a creeper. Psion posted:Exactly. It's required by the Evil Overlord List. Wait a sec wasn't the Evil Overload List about preventing poo poo like that? Admiral H. Curtiss posted:Zagi doesn't acknowledge Flynn at all. So Zagi's both a creeper, AND retarded. Yuri sure knows how to pick 'em...
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KDavisJr posted:I think it comes from the fact she may have a crush on Flynn and the fact that he's best friend is a dude who's committed murder, and Flynn's overlooking it...kinda... Does Sodia even know Yuri killed Ragou and Cumore? I can't really remember.
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Adus posted:Does Sodia even know Yuri killed Ragou and Cumore? I can't really remember. He's well-known in Zaphias as a routine petty criminal and a general ne'er-do-well. He's got a rather lengthy laundry list of charges against him - many of which got swept under the rug by Alexei in exchange for him helping with Ioder - but he's still got a "permanent record" in her head, at least. She also, I think, doesn't like the fact that Flynn talks about him pretty much constantly. I'm going to assume this is the case and chalk it up to jealousy.
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KDavisJr posted:I want to say we have, but we most certainly haven't. Dunno how, or by who, but I think he gets a shitton of power, and the results are not pretty With regards to the spoiler, I don't believe we ever get an answer as to how/why Zagi continues to get crazier and more powerful blastia tech. I've played through the game a few times and have never figured that out. Like everything else Zagi-related, it's weird and kind of dumb if you think about it but is so disconnected from the plot as to not really matter. Adus posted:Does Sodia even know Yuri killed Ragou and Cumore? I can't really remember. Near as I can tell, no she doesn't. Flynn knows because he's not a fool and called Yuri out on it when the two of them were talking privately, and Yuri readily admitted to it. There's no indication that Flynn ever told anybody else, and Sodia is so blunt that if Flynn had told her she definitely would have brought it up at their next encounter. Sodia just doesn't like Yuri (and never has, right back to your first encounter with her) because she's worried he'll be a bad influence on Flynn and she doesn't want to see him get involved with such disreputable people. How much of this is due to her respecting Flynn as a knight and how much of that is her crushing on him is never really settled so read it however you like.
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President of Space posted:With regards to the spoiler, I don't believe we ever get an answer as to how/why Zagi continues to get crazier and more powerful blastia tech. I've played through the game a few times and have never figured that out. Like everything else Zagi-related, it's weird and kind of dumb if you think about it but is so disconnected from the plot as to not really matter. It seems to me that Sodia having a crush on Flynn isn't far from the truth. And I guess the real source of Zagi's strength is his severe lack of sanity and common sense.
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MonsterEnvy posted:It should also be noted that Yeager Zagi's old boss out right shot the guy out of a tower in this update meaning he no longer works for LC. Considering that he was working for Barbos and Ragou about 20 hours ago, that's not surprising.
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