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HatchetDown posted:So what's the deal with Trap exactly? I've only heard a couple tracks labeled as such and have generally enjoyed them all, more so than most of the footwork I've listened to, though they don't seem to be all that different by definition. Is it something that's just been starting to develop the past couple years or has it and the like just been below the radar for longer? I have never once in my life heard of this Trap. What's it supposed to be exactly? Actually I'll be my usual cynical self and ask is this just another attempt at someone trying to jumpstart their way into some fame by making up a genre so they don't have to cut it on the same field with all the other kids? (I'm looking at you Drumstep and Complextro!)
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:I have never once in my life heard of this Trap. What's it supposed to be exactly? Southern hip-hop beats, I think? Trap house = crack house.
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May 3, 2012 17:28
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Looked through the thread and didn't see RL Grime mentioned once. Grapes EP got released recently and I think it's pretty great.
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May 3, 2012 18:14
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Trap music basically consists of amazing sounding rolling hihats and heavy bass tones. Lex Luger's stuff is a good example, but a lot of his stuff can sound the same. Some producers take the trap sound and go crazy with the drums which can sound incredible.
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May 3, 2012 18:52
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Can't blame 28 Gun Bad boy for not knowing since trap is a subset of Southern hip-hop that came out of Atlanta! Think Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, etc, and this post goes a little deeper. Lots of low-end, and it's blended a little with Chicago juke to create some yet-to-be-named dancy style of bass music that also has synths, 808s/909s, and horns. Producers that fall into this sound: Baauer, Sinjin Hawke, Addison Groove, Hudson Mohawke, Lunice, and Rustie.
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May 3, 2012 18:57
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air- posted:Can't blame 28 Gun Bad boy for not knowing since trap is a subset of Southern hip-hop that came out of Atlanta! Think Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, etc, and this post goes a little deeper. Yeah this is pretty much it. Everyone listens to southern-style rap here (considering it's New Orleans) so these tunes go over really well.
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May 3, 2012 19:03
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Maguro posted:Yeah this is pretty much it. Everyone listens to southern-style rap here (considering it's New Orleans) so these tunes go over really well. Yup, I dig the sound because I'm originally from Houston and grew up on UGK, Swisha House, Mike Jones, etc. I can really see this kind of bass music taking off across the South in general since the sound is so iconic to the region.
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May 3, 2012 19:09
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I heard Karma by Waka Flocka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N8qc_bktRE) a week or so back and LOVED it. This seems to be roughly the kind of thing you guys are talking about. Could you post some particular tunes/albums/compilations that I should really check out? I have no idea where to start with this stuff.
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May 3, 2012 20:20
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Anae posted:I heard Karma by Waka Flocka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N8qc_bktRE) a week or so back and LOVED it. This seems to be roughly the kind of thing you guys are talking about. Could you post some particular tunes/albums/compilations that I should really check out? I have no idea where to start with this stuff. Here ya go:
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May 3, 2012 20:26
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Yeah, the term Trap isn't unique to bass music. We're basically just taking a sound that has been big for quite a while and co-opting it for a white audience. UGK is a really great place to start if you're new to southern hip hop but the production is generally much more melodic than today's iconic trap beats. I like this stuff a lot but I see it catching on and having the same problems that dubstep has. The tunes coming out now (Bauuer, Hudmo, Lunice, etc.) are so huge and so stripped down that there really isn't any room for the sound to grow in that direction and we're going to start seeing a lot of lovely knockoffs.
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May 3, 2012 20:32
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Anae posted:I heard Karma by Waka Flocka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N8qc_bktRE) a week or so back and LOVED it. This seems to be roughly the kind of thing you guys are talking about. Could you post some particular tunes/albums/compilations that I should really check out? I have no idea where to start with this stuff. Do you mean trap rap, or trap beats in dance music, like air- took your request? If the former, Flockaveli is The Bible basically, but some other good tapes would include: Gucci Mane - Trap Back; Mr. Zone 6; Jewelry Selection; Ferrari Boyz (album with Waka Flocka) Juicy J - Blue Dream & Lean; Rubba Band Business 1 & 2 OJ da Juice Man - The Otha Side of the Trap Wooh da Kid - Black Out Young Jeezy - the Thug Motivation albums And since this is the *UK* Bass thread, Giggs has done some great quasi-trap stuff: http://youtu.be/K8_XbEmQHNM
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May 3, 2012 20:42
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While we're dropping suggestions, please school me on juke/footwork. I'm halfway certain that I missed some previous posts on the thread about it, (was it discussed here?) but I do want to learn more.
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May 3, 2012 20:47
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Ras Het posted:Do you mean trap rap, or trap beats in dance music, like air- took your request? If the former, Flockaveli is The Bible basically, but some other good tapes would include: Yeah this is what I was looking for! I'm already down with the stuff you posted air- (not that I'm not grateful for the response!), which is why I'm so interested in the US hip hop which has these crazy low-end bass and synthy instrumentals. I can definitely see this stuff making some headway in the UK scene. It's sick. Edit: is there a good place to buy high-quality versions of these things so I can play them out? The best I can find is 256. Might have to grab CDs otherwise. Anae fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 3, 2012 |
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May 3, 2012 20:52
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air- posted:While we're dropping suggestions, please school me on juke/footwork. I'm halfway certain that I missed some previous posts on the thread about it, (was it discussed here?) but I do want to learn more. It's music you dance to. It comes from Chicago. It owns? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrftqT5pPg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYw-_tjH0mc Very repetitive chopped samples are a staple to the rhythm.
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May 3, 2012 20:56
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Butterz mix on Benji B's show last night: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01gnkh5#segments since I know a couple of you are big fans
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May 3, 2012 21:02
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air- posted:While we're dropping suggestions, please school me on juke/footwork. I'm halfway certain that I missed some previous posts on the thread about it, (was it discussed here?) but I do want to learn more. I find that juke and footwork tunes are pretty boring (sometimes bordering on irritating) unless they're being mixed. You probably want to listen to some mixes. DJ Spinn and DJ Rashad are the best in the game, bar none. That isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Here are their appearances on the always-entertaining Just Jam: First Appearance (Late 2011): http://youtu.be/QyvN-bNTf0U Last Week: http://youtu.be/dCvww5BbAuI
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May 3, 2012 21:27
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Also there hasn't been enough love for Just Jam in this thread. HASHTAG JUST JAM! Every Wednesday at 6 GMT http://dontwatchthat.tv/just-jam/
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May 3, 2012 21:29
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Nope I still don't get it. So it's just Southern Hip-Hop with a fancy new name? People here have been going on about Gucci Mane and Waka Flocka etc for ages (obviously all filthy southsiders mind, we don't tolerate that in the east end) but I just figured it was regular ol' Rap? But it's not and it's actually called Trap. Or is it Trap Rap? All because it's got a fancy synth line and some hi-hats through it? So why's like Rustie being namedropped then? That's not hip-hop. I mean I guess HudMo is down those tempos more, but I don't really see the connection much. Didn't the powers that be name all that stuff Wonky ages ago anyway? Mind you I always named Butter a big bag o' shite but whatever. See this is why I stick to homegrown stuff. It just makes sense.
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May 3, 2012 21:35
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Nope I still don't get it. So it's just Southern Hip-Hop with a fancy new name? People here have been going on about Gucci Mane and Waka Flocka etc for ages (obviously all filthy southsiders mind, we don't tolerate that in the east end) but I just figured it was regular ol' Rap? But it's not and it's actually called Trap. Or is it Trap Rap? All because it's got a fancy synth line and some hi-hats through it? You're right, it isn't anything new, it's just a new context and maybe using synths where a hip hop producer would use samples.
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May 3, 2012 21:43
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Dopo posted:I find that juke and footwork tunes are pretty boring (sometimes bordering on irritating) unless they're being mixed. You probably want to listen to some mixes. DJ Spinn and DJ Rashad are the best in the game, bar none. That isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Here are their appearances on the always-entertaining Just Jam: Agreed on both fronts. While it's on my mind, here's one of the few footwork tunes that I listen to by itself. It's really, really good, probably the best footwork tune I've heard. http://soundcloud.com/djgantman/gant-man-dj-rashad-heaven-sent
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May 3, 2012 22:00
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Dopo posted:You're right, it isn't anything new, it's just a new context and maybe using synths where a hip hop producer would use samples. Right okay, now I get it. Honestly you guys, getting me all excited thinking there was some kinda new cool underground 150bpm 909-filled mutated Footwork but not quite as dull thing coming out of the illegal speakeasies and gentleman's clubs of Tallahassee. And I have no idea why I think of southern US I think it's the 1920's again. Anyway I don't know though, some of it kinda reminds me of slowed down, knock-off Grime beats from a decade ago.
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I've listened to a lot of DJ Rashad stuff and he's really good, but the "Ghetto Teknitianz" sample is really grating.
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As for info on juke, here is a piece that NPR did: http://youtu.be/D_MlM6ShOTQ Also DJ Spinn and Rashad did a red bull music lecture that you guys should all check out. We talked about it a while ago. Here's some soundclouds for people interested in new Juke or Trap tunes. Drippin http://soundcloud.com/drippin LDFD http://soundcloud.com/ldfd Fishstix http://soundcloud.com/fishstix DJ Spinn http://soundcloud.com/dj-spinn-1 DJ Clap http://soundcloud.com/djclap DJ Rashad http://soundcloud.com/djrashadteklife Elefo http://soundcloud.com/elefo Galactic Zack http://soundcloud.com/galacticzack Freshmore (label) http://soundcloud.com/freshmore Highways http://soundcloud.com/highwaysound Himuro Yoshiteru http://soundcloud.com/himuro-yoshiteru/tracks LENKEMZ http://soundcloud.com/lenkemz LiL ♎ JaBBA http://soundcloud.com/lil-jabba Noms http://soundcloud.com/djnoms Philthkids http://soundcloud.com/philthkids Producer Vee http://soundcloud.com/producervee Slick Shoota http://soundcloud.com/slickshoota Forgetting a lot of the big ones, and not all these dudes produce only Juke or Trap, and some of the tunes are hit or miss/could better be used for mixing.
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As for the orgins of Juke, Ghetto house was a big influence, here is a mini-doc about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJofQq710Wk
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May 4, 2012 03:42
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The Darq E Freaker EP is completely loving ridiculous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-92qAjbGDo
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Battle Cattle posted:The Darq E Freaker EP is completely loving ridiculous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-92qAjbGDo
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I know i've probably said this before, but everyone owes it to themselves to go check out (or re-check out) Rinse 01 by Geeneus. Came out around the time when dubstep was getting a little wobbly but was still walking that fine line and is also filled with classic grime tracks and cools down with classic sexy funky. I mean come on, it starts off with this tune: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8uY-mj_yyc leading into Intensive Snare (still a classic)
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Mike_V posted:I know i've probably said this before, but everyone owes it to themselves to go check out (or re-check out) Rinse 01 by Geeneus. Came out around the time when dubstep was getting a little wobbly but was still walking that fine line and is also filled with classic grime tracks and cools down with classic sexy funky. Which is then mixed into this beast of a tune, which goes into Night. Seriously that first volume is fantastic and if none of you have listened to it you really need to pick it up. If you want to see how it could've all been before things started getting too extreme it's a good example. Who nowadays would stick Coki or Rusko tune in the same set with a Ghetts vocal and those early Zinc/Geeneus/Katie B singles. Farm Frenzy posted:has Darq E Freaker put out much more than blueberry and cherryade? I know he produced next hype a few years ago but I can't find that much by him other than those two and a few mixes. Guy's easily my favourite grime producer right now though. Long past edit in 'cause I just plain skipped this post somehow: Wiley put out an EP of his Avalanche imprint a while back too, and he's had a track on that Earth616 sampler EP thing as well as that Quadrant release on Oil gang. 28 Gun Bad Boy fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 4, 2012 |
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Farm Frenzy posted:has Darq E Freaker put out much more than blueberry and cherryade? I know he produced next hype a few years ago but I can't find that much by him other than those two and a few mixes. Guy's easily my favourite grime producer right now though. He actually has a show on my station https://www.nasty.fm so you can find his podcasts and whatnot there.
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28 Gun Bad Boy posted:Which is then mixed into this beast of a tune, which goes into Night. Rhythm & Gash is one track that I never get tired of. Wish I'd hear it make it into more modern sets because it's so versatile.
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Mike_V posted:Rhythm & Gash is one track that I never get tired of. Wish I'd hear it make it into more modern sets because it's so versatile. The fact that it's a bastard to track down hinders this somewhat. 
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Farm Frenzy posted:has Darq E Freaker put out much more than blueberry and cherryade? I know he produced next hype a few years ago but I can't find that much by him other than those two and a few mixes. Guy's easily my favourite grime producer right now though. 28GBB covered most of Darq's releases except for the Horus EP, which is available on iTunes. Edit: whoops, that's the EP out on Avalanche. My bad. The Next Hype instrumental was released on No Hats No Hoods as well. Additional edit: most of his stuff can be found here http://www.junodownload.com/betasearch/?q%5Ball%5D%5B%5D=darq+e+freaker&solrorder=relevancy&submit-search=SEARCH (except the next hype instrumental. Decline fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 4, 2012 |
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God drat, I found out Goth-Trad isn't coming to NYC or DC any more because of visa trouble.
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Decline posted:28GBB covered most of Darq's releases except for the Horus EP, which is available on iTunes. Yeah that's the EP I mean, I forgot what it was called. Next Hype instrumental is on Juno there, just under the actual Tempa T release along with the vocal.
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Well I've just had a fun past hour or so. After spending way too long looking at my records on my shelves I came to the realisation I've completely forgot half of what I own. Now it's not because they're shite, but simply that I think you can just pick up so many records over the years you lose track of what you've actually got. Of course all this is not helped by the fact my catalogue system is pretty much,"yeah so I think those shelves there are mostly garage stuff. I think. Possibly. Maybe." Trying to find the record you want at the time is like in that scene with the Holy Grails in The Last Crusade. Half expected to find some ancient Crusading knight in there. So anyway I really suggest to any of you folks with a half-serious amount of records to spend a half hour or an hour or whatever and just carefully go through some shelves and see what you've got. See what you've completely forgotten about. Some highlists I've found are:
So there we go, some highlights that I had totally forgotten about. I may even uploaded a track or two just for you guys as well. Though I'm tempted to save the Daniel Beddingfield MC version in case I ever DJ again (using that term very loosely!) and need a special silver bullet nobody else has. So go on folks who actually own stuff. Stick on a LP or CD and spend a bit of time rummaging through those shelves. You'll probably amaze yourself at what you'll find.
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What's this thread's opinion on seapunk? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fglrTMaEP4
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Isn't it kind of like witchhouse or chillwave where the genre name came before the music?
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Mike_V posted:Not relevant to this thread. Weird to me that Trap and Juke is though
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Number Two Stunna posted:Isn't it kind of like witchhouse or chillwave where the genre name came before the music? No it's a really really weird and dumb off shoot that a bunch of the "juke for nerds" started doing. That song linked sounds nothing like most of it tho, it's really just kinda atmospheric juke with a dumb name. "peasunk vol 1" Is a good free comp that will give you an idea of the sound. I just dont understand why they didn't just label their tunes Juke (since it's been taken in a very experimental direction recently) and instead make up a really whack rear end name for a fake sub genre so people can dye their hair purple or blue.
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