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IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!



RCarr posted:

If words are winds then books must be hurricanes.

So does that mean global warming is an absolute fucker?

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Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 25 days!


Pillbug

is it out yet

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

PLEASE DO NOT SERVE ME FOOD WITH GLUTEN BECAUSE I AM AFRAID OF CHEMICALS


IRQ posted:

So does that mean global warming is an absolute fucker?

No because they come on a relatively reliable schedule

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 9, 2007



Klungar posted:

You are very much not welcome.

Has he ever looked around and wondered why there aren't many elderly obese slobs?

kcroy
May 30, 2002



Mr.48 posted:

Is it actually possible to get the gang-tags back? If so I'd love to get my wildcards tag back too.

I think the tag is still there - you just have to add the URL to your avatar or something? I don't know. I got a gang tag once. Got banned and lost it. and now I'm basically helpless.

Invicta{HOG}, M.D.
Jan 16, 2002


Hogge Wild posted:

is it out yet

it is out did you not read it yet

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 25 days!


Pillbug

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

it is out did you not read it yet

...what ?!?

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

You can't fool anyone with that. We all know the there's no way the book can be out if there's no spoilers in the FYAD forum name. Which is about as funny and original as anything else related to FYAD a time honored tradition.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008
Ask me about Kolob

emanresu tnuocca posted:

This time they hired a guy who can fight specifically for the role, it's not gonna be a joke (choreography wise).

I want to quote this for posterity

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



I dunno if the actor makes a difference, if the choreographer is still a dumbass and the cinematographer isn't competent enough to cover the holes.

Like, Jason Statham is a good movie fighty man, but if his choreographer is the rear end in a top hat who hosed-up Street Fighter and the camera is organized by the film school version of Adolf Hitler, he's going to look terrible.

emanresu tnuocca
Sep 2, 2011

Clarke has more acting talent in her brows than most other actors, including herself, have in their entire body.



The dorne sequence was ridiculously bad but it's not like this show didn't have several decent fighting sequences in the past, the dorne sequence suffered from them having very little time to film it but also quite possibly due to the sand snake actresses not having any clue about how to pretend fight, or act.

Now, I fully expect the tower of joy sequence to end with some guy stepping in from off camera and stabbing Dayne in the back like a chump but I do believe that before that we are going to get at least a minute of competent over the top sword twirling from that sword specialist they hired for the role.

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

There have been lots of bad fight scenes though. The Jorah/GreyWorm breakin, every time anybody ever fought in Mereen, Jon Snuh getting his face smashed into an anvil with no effect, etc.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

USPOL May

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I dunno if the actor makes a difference, if the choreographer is still a dumbass and the cinematographer isn't competent enough to cover the holes.

Like, Jason Statham is a good movie fighty man, but if his choreographer is the rear end in a top hat who hosed-up Street Fighter and the camera is organized by the film school version of Adolf Hitler, he's going to look terrible.

Even with a lovely camera angle Jason Statham will know how to fight and how to make a fight look good and brutal. If at least some of the people in the Tower of Joy fight scene have actual training then they can make it look decent enough to avoid Sand Snakes 2.0 taking place. They've made it clear that they know the fight at the Tower of Joy was a really big deal and pretty much everyone involved was a well trained veteran swordsman. Maybe they'll take a page from LotR and bring a trainer in to teach everyone how to use a sword if they don't have past training like the actor playing Arthur Dayne.


Or maybe they'll blow money on some more 4 vs Dragon CGI and the Big Battle that people have been taking pictures of.

MrSlam
Apr 25, 2014

And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.

I don't buy merchandise, but if GRRM came out with a Cyvasse board I'd be all over it

CaptainRightful
Jan 11, 2005



Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Like, Jason Statham is a good movie fighty man, but if his choreographer is the rear end in a top hat who hosed-up Street Fighter and the camera is organized by the film school version of Adolf Hitler, he's going to look terrible.

Um, "the film school version of Adolf Hitler" was exceptionally good with a camera, particulary when shooting action scenes.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


how come fantasy authors get such a boner about world building and not about actually telling a story. and why do nerds allow them to do this.

MrSlam
Apr 25, 2014

And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.

Groovelord Neato posted:

how come fantasy authors get such a boner about world building and not about actually telling a story. and why do nerds allow them to do this.

Fun things are fun. Nerds like fun. Are you a nerd who likes fun?

There's a great fantasy series you can read that has world-building and great stories in it. It's called A Song of Ice and Fire and starts with A Game of Thrones. It's pretty great. It's written by the guy that did the Beauty and the Beast TV Show.

A GLISTENING HODOR
Aug 8, 2009

One of her nipples found its way between his lips. It was pink and hard and when he sucked on it her milk filled his mouth, mingling with the taste of rum, and he had never tasted anything so fine and sweet and good.


How's Hyperion?

A nerd said it was good but I'm leery.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

I'm not in the business. I am the business.

Groovelord Neato posted:

how come fantasy authors get such a boner about world building and not about actually telling a story. and why do nerds allow them to do this.

Nerds have nerdism (I know I do) and want fantasy worlds to escape to. D&D, comics, comic movies and fantasy, especially the kind like Captain America where the ultimate 4F becomes insanely fast and strong and looks good in tights.

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot


A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

How's Hyperion?

A nerd said it was good but I'm leery.

It's fantastic.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


a good story told well in a not stupid amount of pages is better than thousands of pages of bullshit fluff due to worldbuilding and bad plots which cause you to never see the end. fantasy can be interesting but when this poo poo sells like crazy we keep getting more poo poo. i don't even know why it's sold as different or better than most fantasy it gets bogged down in all the same annoying boring garbage.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012
IM WACKADOODLE JIMMY!!!

A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

How's Hyperion?

A nerd said it was good but I'm leery.

Hyperion's great. I'm a nerd but my username is taken from a Wilkie Collins novel so I'm a lit nerd. His later novels get horrible though.

MrSlam
Apr 25, 2014

And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.

Groovelord Neato posted:

a good story told well in a not stupid amount of pages is better than thousands of pages of bullshit fluff due to worldbuilding and bad plots which cause you to never see the end. fantasy can be interesting but when this poo poo sells like crazy we keep getting more poo poo. i don't even know why it's sold as different or better than most fantasy it gets bogged down in all the same annoying boring garbage.

I'll call Bantam Books and tell them to stop publishing immediately. You start calling newspapers so we can get the word out to the 60 million people who bought copies and still have receipts to get a refund.

sat on my keys!
Oct 1, 2014


A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

How's Hyperion?

A nerd said it was good but I'm leery.

Only read the first two out of the four. The first two together are very good.

kcroy
May 30, 2002



A GLISTENING HODOR posted:

How's Hyperion?

A nerd said it was good but I'm leery.

I really liked it, but I read it in my 20s. Not sure how it has held up. I mean the dude is play Wagner in a storm, maybe that poo poo flew in the 80s, but its 2020 now you know? I was also too dumb to get the connection to the Canterbury tales format on the first read through. A few of the tales were boring at times ( I'm looking at you Consul Flashback ), but overall I enjoyed them, and I couldn't get to book 2 fast enough. I really like how he describes the tech of war in the Kassad stories.

CountFosco posted:

Hyperion's great. I'm a nerd but my username is taken from a Wilkie Collins novel so I'm a lit nerd. His later novels get horrible though.

bartlebyshop posted:

Only read the first two out of the four. The first two together are very good.

The first 2 go together ( part 1 / part 2 ), and yeah. definitely read those two. Most people agree books 3/4 sucked, but I liked them. I also like God Emperor of Dune though so YMMV. Everything AFTER those two books has been complete poo poo. I mean I read the loving Illiad in Latin, and I think that was less tedious than ILLIUM.

SaviourX
Sep 29, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.



MrSlam posted:

I'll call Bantam Books and tell them to stop publishing immediately. You start calling newspapers so we can get the word out to the 60 million people who bought copies and still have receipts to get a refund.

Whoa, whoa, an appeal to populism? Half a decade too late?








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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


MrSlam posted:

I'll call Bantam Books and tell them to stop publishing immediately. You start calling newspapers so we can get the word out to the 60 million people who bought copies and still have receipts to get a refund.

my entire point was to blame the millions of people who bought the books for allowing this kind of boring, overblown fantasy to still dominate the market. was blaming the buyers not the publisher.

kcroy
May 30, 2002



I just did a re-skim of The First Law Trilogy this weekend... can someone clarify some points?


Did the Adepti / Sult actually manage to kill High Justice Morovia with Magic? Or was that Yoru Sulfur's doing?

Was Tolomei's spirit free all those years since she had died? Was she only awakened once Bayaz was ready to search for the seed?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Cybernetic Crumb

Sulfur definitely kills Marovia. I'm pretty sure they reveal it a bit later, after that body is found, he wants to take his place to protect jezal. Tolomei I'm not sure. She definitely replaces quai fairly early. My guess is she got out when they visit the house of the maker. When was logen's vision?

kcroy
May 30, 2002



Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sulfur definitely kills Marovia. I'm pretty sure they reveal it a bit later, after that body is found, he wants to take his place to protect jezal. Tolomei I'm not sure. She definitely replaces quai fairly early. My guess is she got out when they visit the house of the maker. When was logen's vision?


They imply that Sult and his magicians do it - but that just could be to build drama for the anti-climactic moment when breaking Sult's spell does... nothing. BUT the method... some sort of ice/explosion thing I don't think that is one of Yoru's abilities is it? And it implies sult wasdoing some sort of Ice magic / Cold summoning poo poo when they break in on him. I'm curious if Sult actually accomplished any useable magic. Not that it really matters, but was just curious.

Was there something that mentioned that Yoru did it, other than the fact that he took his shape? Yoru could have pretended to be Marovia in all the war chaos without killing him. Although killing him probably worked out for Bayaz just fine.


Tolomei : I had originally assumed she got out from the house of the maker when they opened it back up... but on a re-read, she was not in the HOM. She was thrown out side, and buried along with Kanedias. While in the grave, the Other Side talked to her. Because of her use of the Seed, she was given extra powers ( much like Ferro is shown to have , right? ). So my question is... WTF was she doing for 1000 years ... chilling in the ground? Maybe the Other Side kept her rear end in limbo until the time was right?

Something else that bugged me this read through... just because you locked the front door to the HOM, doesn't mean they are "locked in". I mean.. the drat thing had all of The Maker's tools and treasures inside, plus a giant loving window that apparently you can just throw people out of. Doesn't seem like a great "prison", nor one that would hold Tolomei for very long ( at this point at least - I always assumed that Tolomei wasn't given free reign of the tower when Kanedias was away ) .

kcroy fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2016 around 16:35

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Cybernetic Crumb

The last part of LAoK was really hectic and I'm not remembering specifics. If have to look through it again. I didn't think that sult even knew morovia was dead. Didn't sulfur make the explosion in the tower in the first book, or was that tolomei? I don't think there was a precedent for the ice thing but we never really got a good sense of the magi's abilities, I just added it to the list.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter


Pillbug

Is this what it feels like when I talk about this series with people who don't care? Because I apologize.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Cybernetic Crumb

TK-42-1 posted:

Is this what it feels like when I talk about this series with people who don't care? Because I apologize.
no because joe abercrombie books are good and satisfyingly concluded, even if there are more coming, fuckin read em!!!

kcroy
May 30, 2002



Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

The last part of LAoK was really hectic and I'm not remembering specifics. If have to look through it again. I didn't think that sult even knew morovia was dead. Didn't sulfur make the explosion in the tower in the first book, or was that tolomei? I don't think there was a precedent for the ice thing but we never really got a good sense of the magi's abilities, I just added it to the list.

Bayaz blew poo poo up in the tower. I agree with you about Yoru's abilities - and I think he DID kill morovia... But on the re-read I was like "hey what if Sult actually did magic"..

TK-42-1 posted:

Is this what it feels like when I talk about this series with people who don't care? Because I apologize.

yes! no need to apologize good ser!

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Cybernetic Crumb

kcroy posted:

Bayaz blew poo poo up in the tower. I agree with you about Yoru's abilities - and I think he DID kill morovia... But on the re-read I was like "hey what if Sult actually did magic"..


yes! no need to apologize good ser!
I went looking for quotes, and Bayaz straight-up tells Glokta, in a moment of relative honesty, that it was Sult. Looks like you are right. There's some chance he's lying still, and it's pretty suspect that Sulfur took his form, but I'm with you now. I guess I just assumed it was Bayaz before.

"I was almost disappointed when I found out how limited Sult's studies were. Salt, and candles, and incantations? How pathetically adolescent. Enough to put an end to would-be democrat Marovia, perhaps, but nothing to pose the slightest threat to me."

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FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!


In the books the Tower of Joy sequence was a fever dream of a man who was on a shitload of fantasy morphine so his companions are shadowy wraiths and they literally pull the tower down to make headstones for the dead. Since that plotline ended years ago in the show they're probably not going to bother with any of that and just have it be a standard flashback.

FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at Mar 14, 2016 around 02:45

geeves
Sep 16, 2004



FreudianSlippers posted:

In the books the Tower of Joy sequence was a fever dream of a man who was on a shitload of fantasy morphine so his companions are shadowy wraiths and they literally pull the tower down to make headstones for the dead. Since that plotline ended years ago in the show they're probably not going to bother with any of that and just have it be a standard flashback.

They also not include: "Now it begins." "No, now it ends" just like they didn't include "cockless wonder".

kcroy
May 30, 2002



Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I went looking for quotes, and Bayaz straight-up tells Glokta, in a moment of relative honesty, that it was Sult. Looks like you are right. There's some chance he's lying still, and it's pretty suspect that Sulfur took his form, but I'm with you now. I guess I just assumed it was Bayaz before.

"I was almost disappointed when I found out how limited Sult's studies were. Salt, and candles, and incantations? How pathetically adolescent. Enough to put an end to would-be democrat Marovia, perhaps, but nothing to pose the slightest threat to me."


hey good catch, thanks. ok, so then... that seems like it is actually a pretty big deal - if I were glotka, I'd be all over finding that poo poo out from sult. it probably doesn't matter - we never really revisit glotka as a character. I wonder if that is one of abercrombie's things... you get a slice of the story pie, and some small resolution, but that is it. The game just goes on and on, without permanent resolution. Which is fine. In fact, GRRM could take a page from that loving book.

kcroy
May 30, 2002



geeves posted:

They also not include: "Now it begins." "No, now it ends" just like they didn't include "cockless wonder".

what was the cockless wonder part? also.. do we get to see loving howland reed?

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geeves
Sep 16, 2004



kcroy posted:

what was the cockless wonder part? also.. do we get to see loving howland reed?

Tywin Lannister posted:

I blame those jackanapes on the council-our friend Petyr, the venerable Grand Maester, and that cockless wonder Lord Varys.
(when Tywin charges Tyrion to be acting Hand.)

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