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The one question I need answered is this; Is Bronn still kicking around or does he not show up at all?
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So does the new book help explain what the gently caress Varys is doing? I've just finished re-reading the books and still have no idea what the hell he's pulling for. At first I thought he was trying to help Dani but now I just don't know what the gently caress.
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Jul 10, 2011 23:18
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Do Bran or Samwell have chapters in this book?
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Jul 12, 2011 00:09
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Solice Kirsk posted:Bran kills Hodor and the Reeds for more warg power and to be able to see and speak through the godwoods. Samwell does not have a chapter I don't think. If this actually happened, it would instantly redeem the Bran chapters.
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Jul 12, 2011 00:19
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About 2/3 through ADWD and holy poo poo am I sick of the Dany chapters. They just drag on and on and she has yet to actually do something besides moan about Dariio. However, I'm really enjoying the rest of the book and even though Quentyn is a total tool, I really like him.
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Jul 13, 2011 06:47
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Contra Calculus posted:The worst chapters in the entire books so far for me are Tyrion's and Dany's. Dany is just whining about this mercenary shithead that no one gives a gently caress about and all of Tyrion's chapters have been one big Yeah, I have to agree about both of those. Tyrion's started off entertaining but for the first time, I find myself wanting to skip them. I don't give two fucks about either Daario or Penny.
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Jul 13, 2011 18:43
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. Jon's are at least tolerable so I don't know what you guys are talking about.
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NihilCredo posted:Edit: Lord Manderly might officially be the most awesome Northerner alive: Lord Manderly is indeed loving awesome. All he wants is his liege lord back when all these other assholes want money, power or dragons. In fact, this booko really brings out the awesomeness of the North. The Theon chapters and Davos chapters show how many people are loving pissed off at the Freys and want vengeance. 
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Jul 13, 2011 22:33
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NihilCredo posted:Ashara Dayne's bastard could just as likely have been fathered by Brandon as by Ned Stark. He was very entertaining until Penny comes into play. I feel like Penny becomes the focus of his story instead of all the other important things happening around him. It's the same problem with Dany. She's too busy worrying about loving blue beard and Mereen than all the other important things happening around her.
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Jul 14, 2011 18:01
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I'm clearly an idiot but what's happening with Mance? I don't remember who Abel is and how he's connected with Mance. When Mel did her weird cloaking/camo/whatever the gently caress it was, I got instantly confused. Who's the Lord of Bones?
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Jul 15, 2011 00:49
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Now that I'm finished, I guess I'll throw in my two cents. Jon chapters were fairly interesting, although a lot of it blended together. I'm glad he took his duties serious though and tried to work with what he had. I'm not convinced he's dead though, of course. Dany chapters were loving awful. They all blended together in a whiny mess of Daario, "my children", and Harpies. Nothing of any importance happened in her chapters and I can't for the life of me remember anything interesting happening, besides Drogon loving everyone up in the Pit. Tyrion chapters started off great, then nosedived. I like him interacting with Griff, Aegon and the Septa. Once Penny came into it though, his chapters became mindless acrobatics games and stupid poo poo that I couldn't care less about. Theon chapters were by far some of the best chapters in the book, if not the series. It's remarkable how Martin managed to make me feel sympathy for Theon, even after he hosed up Winterfell. As creep and sick as his chapters were, they payed off great with his escape from Winterfell. Bran chapters were also really interesting and the scene where he sees Ned polishing his sword was both  and  . I'm still not sure how becoming a tree will help but I'm sure TWOW will explain it all.I'm in the minority here but I loved Quentyn's chapters. He seemed like a less intelligent form of Ned and although he got hosed over in every way, I really felt bad for him. Barristan and Melisandre's chapters were superb and gave some insight on both of them. Jon Conningtons chapters were interesting too, and although Aegon is a Mary Sue, at least he gets poo poo done. In all the time Dany's been loving around, Aegon invades Westeros. The epilogue was great, although I'm going to miss Kevan.  Arya, Asha, Jaime, Cersei, Vargo and Victarion all could have been left in AFFC or TWOW and I wouldn't have really noticed. Brannock posted:Quick timeline of events:
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Jul 15, 2011 01:56
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So if Varys and Illyrio were raising Aegon the entire time, how come Illyrio didn't give Aegon the dragon eggs instead of Dany? It seems they have much more influence over him than Dany and it would have greatly supported his claim. Edit; did Illyrio suspect that the eggs would hatch into actual dragons? I've read that scene several times but I can't find anything to indicate either way. VaultAggie fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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Jul 18, 2011 05:27
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Speaking of dragons, do we have any idea how big they are at this point?
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Jul 18, 2011 23:04
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So I've been rereading CoK and they mention the Citadel a few times. What the hell is the Citadel? Is it someplace overseas, like in Bravos?
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Jul 20, 2011 07:58
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Eej posted:Ned is from the North where the only thing holding it together is a very strict sense of honour amongst the Northmen. He wouldn't know a thing about pinching his nose to make a decision. As we all know it doesn't work in the South where staying honourable to one's values is as useful as nipples on a breastplate. This is why I loving love the North so much. In a world full of backstabbing scumbags and shitholes, the Northmen remain loyal and dedicated to their King. gently caress the Boltons though.
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Jul 21, 2011 04:39
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Brannock posted:There were really only four important Meereenese: Hizdahr, Galazza Galare, the Shavepate (easy enough to remember, at least), and Reznak. Everyone else is pretty much incidental. Well gently caress, the only one I remember of these are Hizdahr. I vaguely recognize shaveplate but I have no clue who the other two are. Serves me right for skimming Dany's chapters, I guess. VaultAggie fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jul 22, 2011 |
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Jul 22, 2011 17:11
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I'd like to see Selmy fight Ser Gregor. Then we'll see who the best living knight is. 
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Jul 22, 2011 23:05
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bigmcgaffney posted:Victarion knows this all too well. That was by far one of the funniest parts of the book. Victarion just chucks them overboard without a second thought.
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Jul 23, 2011 03:52
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So do we have any ideas on where the Blackfish went? I'm hoping he'll pop up in TWOW or at least be mentioned.
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Jul 23, 2011 19:31
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Linguica posted:Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore. just creeps me out so much, like Ramsay wants his pet back. Those loving Boltons.
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Jul 24, 2011 01:22
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Iggles posted:I think a lot of people (including me) think Tyrion's chapters were quite annoying in that they went nowhere and seemed unnecessarily complicated/had Penny in them. But thinking about it I was struck by the similarity to Arya's chapters in aSoS. She changed hands repeatedly while trying to get somewhere else (and was also captured by someone she thought was taking her to Cersei). And Arya's chapters were well received right? I certianly liked them The thing is, Arya had interesting people around her, like The Hound, Thoros and Dondarrion. All Tyrion had was stupid Penny and whining, moping Jorah.
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Jul 24, 2011 17:17
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Toplowtech posted:Basically the second blackfyre rebellion took place in Whitehall during the wedding of Lord Ambrose Butterwell to the daughter* of Lord Frey. It was just an excuse for the pro-Blackfyre houses to get together and invite the houses angered by Bloodraven's Handship. They also invited Hoster's recently married father since he was their liege and it would be insulting not to do so but Lord Tully didn't come. You can imagine Lord Tully teaching young Hoster that the Freys are traitors and that he should never go to one of their weddings, using the second rebellion as an example of Frey treachery. Jesus, that's complicated. So who fought in the rebellion and why? I barely remember any of this, much less figure out all the details.
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Jul 26, 2011 00:41
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He upended a game of Cyvasse when Tyrio beat him then made Tyrion pick up the pieces. That doesn't exactly scream humble to me.
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Jul 26, 2011 01:18
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He did the same drat thing with AffC. The Arya, Jaime, Brienne and Cersei chapters all felt like they could have been added to the end of Crows with little trouble. Instead we had annoying cliff-hangers for about six years.
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Jul 27, 2011 00:42
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Rhymenoceros posted:Why didn't he listen to Melisandre? She obviously has some ability predicting the future. "Daggers all around you" NOPE, just gonna wander around, cutting people's heads off, letting the wildlings pass the wall, nobody's gonna get pissed form that. I honestly don't blame him here. Before AdwD, I didn't trust her and thought she was a shady piece of poo poo. You can't expect Jon to suddenly embrace her just because we the reader have embraced her. From his perspective, she lied to him once about her sister so why would he take her advice again?
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Jul 27, 2011 16:43
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I thought Sam had the real horn, the one they found at the fist?
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Jul 28, 2011 07:11
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Unkempt posted:That's (maybe) the horn of Joramun, the one that woke giants and (supposedly) will bring down the Wall. Victarion's got a different horn that's supposed to tame dragons (and kills whoever blows it). Oh, I totally forgot about that.  I'd rather Victarion have the horn than loving Dany. Nothing would make me happier than seeing Victarion use the dragons to torch everything.
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Jul 28, 2011 16:38
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The Theon chapters alone redeem this book. Reading every one of those chapters was well worth skimming or skipping Dany and Tyrion's chapters.
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Jul 29, 2011 22:20
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Oh, definitely. Almost every POV that wasn't dany's or Tyrion's were great. Except, in my opinion, Arya's. I don't know where her arc is going and it's getting pretty boring at this point. Arya hasn't had any impact on the story in over two books.
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Jul 30, 2011 01:32
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Yeah, it's mentioned how he saw Selmy at one point. Also, was Tyrion ever in Braavos? In one of the Cersei chapters, someone mentions to her that he saw Tyrion at a mummers show in Braavos.
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Jul 30, 2011 18:00
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Rurik posted:And is it just me or does GRRM hate singer and performing artists? Marillion was an rear end in a top hat who was put to death because of false accusations, Blue Bard was tortured till he went mad, the Singer's Stew... And Penny and Groat were named after the smallest of coins. And Groat was killed for no reason. And Penny's and Groat's dog and pig were most probably killed. Is it bad that I don't even remember who Groat was?
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Aug 2, 2011 00:42
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The only thing really giving credence to that theory is the fact that GRRM keeps listing Benjen as missing in the character list, not dead. It's always "presumed dead" or " Missing beyond the wall". Speaking of character list, the character list for "On Slavers Bay" is a loving eyesore. Just a bunch of random names with "z" making half the names.
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Aug 3, 2011 00:30
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I always just thought Pycelle was a blundering old guy who gets hosed over at every opportunity. However, the ending of ADWD changed that. Varys killed Kevan because he was fixing the realm. He probably killed Pycelle because he was doing the same thing.
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Aug 3, 2011 23:01
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One of my favorite scenes was at the wedding feast in ADWD, when the Manderelys and Freys are about to kill each other. For just a minute, Roose loses control of the situation and he shouts for the first time in the series.
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Aug 4, 2011 19:04
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Same with Joffrey. What positive thing has that loving brat ever done?
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Aug 6, 2011 00:38
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If Aegon, Victarion and Bronn turned out to be the three heads of the dragon, I wouldn't be upset in the slightest and would take back every negative thing I've ever said about GRRM.
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Aug 6, 2011 20:42
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The Blackfish?
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Aug 8, 2011 05:32
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Argali posted:Literally no one cares about Quentyn, and obviously GRRM didn't either. The whole point of him traveling to Mereen was to free the two smaller dragons? Oh and he gets fried to a crisp in the process? Gimme a break. There wasn't anything more interesting to do with him as a character? I liked Quentyn.  Hopefully, now that he's dead, it'll mean Dorne tells dany to go gently caress herself and support Aegon instead.
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Aug 8, 2011 16:36
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Eggnogium posted:Are we sure about that? Blackfish may have been booted by his brother before Petyr came there. I can't remember if there's any evidence either way. There's a Catelyn chapter, I can't recall which, where she says that she, Lysa and Petyr would always go running to the Blackfish for their problems.
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Aug 8, 2011 21:36
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No you're right. Samwell had several chapters in AffC. I don't blame you for not remembering because Samwell is a loving boring character.
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Why is Doran a prince? Every other High-born is just a Lord so why does Doran call himself a Prince?
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Aug 9, 2011 20:19
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