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kaworu posted:But I think it's absurdly naive and unrealistic to think that this series won't get finished and these books won't get released. If GRRM were to drop dead of a heart attack - tomorrow - I would still expect the ASoIaF series to be "finished" - in the medium of novels - in one form or another by another writer, using notes and already written material from GRRM. Simply because there is way - way - too much money to be made, and it's all about the money. That's the reason why the HBO seasons won't stop or go on hiatus and wait for GRRM, and it's the reason why the books will be finished, too. Hasn't he said that he told his wife to burn his manuscripts and notes if he dies before finishing the books? He didn't seem like he was joking. It seems kind of weird to ask that the work that you've spent years working on and which will be your legacy be destroyed but he probably thinks of it as his baby and also gently caress his fans. Kafka, Virgil, Nabokov and surely countless other writers who we've never heard of have made the same request.
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rejutka posted:Coming soon - Middle Earth: Milk, Sugar, Pipe Tobacco, Mycil. The Wit and Wisdom of Bombur.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Even if he did, who cares? Hobb isn't well known outside of the genre and Martin is perhaps the most popular writer on the planet right now. He did it better. George R R Martin, the
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GRRM bought a bowling alley.
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vuk83 posted:I just re read the books. A hated but not outlandish theory is that her mother used a love-potion to make Jeyne marry Robb or vice versa. Since he was being treated at the Crag and Jeyne's grandmother or great-grandmother was Maggy the Frog, who used to sell love-potions in Casterly Rock (mentioned in AFFC in a Cersei chapter).
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Kavak posted:The TV series is going to be cancelled when GRRM croaks between Seasons 6 and 7 and a library's worth of child porn is found in his desk. Blood of the Dragon?
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Jan 21, 2015 18:31
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I wonder if the IMAX showing they're doing is some sort of practice run for a hiatus year where they run a summer series IMAX thing where they add scenes and better FX in for poo poo like battle of blackwater and whatever other epic poo poo they had to skimp on. The show writers have the ending. They don't need GRRM.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:22
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nine-gear crow posted:And there's the historical irony of the whole thing; after years of vehement disgust of fan fiction, GRRM will end up writing what is essentially an alternate universe/alternate ending fan fiction of the most popular TV show of all time which probably >20% of its total audience will ever read. He hates fanfiction but wrote about Jaime Lannister fighting Hermione from Harry Potter.
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Jan 30, 2015 23:06
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Waterstones posted GRRM's original outline of ASOIAF on their twitter, in a move that will almost certainly piss him off. Some of it is pretty much the same as the finished books, the same end results but different causes and wildly differing character motivations. No spoilers I think? Well at least I hope this isn't a spoiler:  
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Feb 4, 2015 20:15
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It's not even convention breaking. It's just GRRM tricks you by prolonging the cliché so it's 2 movies in instead of the first 10 minutes. Ned Stark is the admirable mentor-father who is killed by the villain but not before imparting his wisdom to his child(ren), who swear vengeance. Winterfell is the peaceful but doomed town raided by the villain to mark the end of innocence. Someone posted that we're led to believe that Ned Stark is the victorious detective (well sort of) ala Sherlock Holmes when he's actually a noir detective, who finds himself tackling a shadowy conspiracy that is beyond him and which inevitably consumes him. Also he 100% ripped off Ned Stark's role in AGOT from a comicbook he read when he was 12.
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Feb 9, 2015 16:39
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Hopeford posted:On the topic of fantasy cliches, I totally love them and was having trouble reading through the series a couple years ago because of that. A friend of mine pushed me forward by totally lying to me about what happened after the Red Wedding. Namely she told me that Robb's corpse got revived after having his wolf's head sewn onto his body, resulting in a dumb half-wolf half-man thing who would have a punch fight with Jon at the top of the wall for some very metal reason. One of the hilariously dumb theories is that Qyburn replaced Gregor's head with Robb's to make Ser Robert Strong (Stark means 'strong' in German).
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I like this. Who's tits did he sew on him to make the zombie mountain rapeable? Why do you think Qyburn kept asking for women?
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Cornwind Evil posted:Martin insisted that the actual Iron Throne looks like this, being like 30 feet tall and requiring a small set of stairs to step on. This has got to be a retcon too, unless GRRM is really, really bad at description. I imagined it only being slightly bigger than the show throne. Book 1 Jaime acts so much more like the douchebag, brother-betraying wanna-be-King from GRRM's notes than the character he becomes in book 3. The scene where he orders Ned's men killed and then fucks off is so out of character. At least in the show he fights himself and only spares Ned because it would go against his warped moral code. The book version is what Tywin would do.
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Feb 20, 2015 20:05
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nine-gear crow posted:Every piece of tangentially GRRM-approved art depicted it as being something close to the show Throne, a big gently caress off chair made of swords. Several editions even had the book Throne on their covers or insets. And it was actually tiny compares to the show Throne. GRRM probably thought his original concept of the Iron Throne wasn't ridiculously big enough re: his ridiculously big things fetish (Westeros, The Wall etc).
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I personally dislike the increasing role of prophecy. It was fine in AGOT because there were only 1 or 2 prophecies - 'the stallion that willl mount the world' being one of them and that was shown to be incorrect although even that's true because of Drogon. After that it was just prophecy after prophecy after prophecy, most being deeply boring and following the same format. The worst example being the Maggy the Frog flashbacks which only exist to justify the behaviour of Cersei even though her actions alredy made sense. The best probably being the Tower of the Undying because of just how weird the whole chapter was. My favourite part is that it tricks you with odd, symbolic scenes that don't make sense at first so you kind of give up by the time you hit the Red Wedding ('uh, wolf = Stark, feast = king of feasts, fat Stark?' was pretty much my thought process). Just showing the reader the biggest spoiler in the entire series and expecting them to not take it literally is genius.
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Rosscifer posted:That one is remarkably on the ball. The Littlefinger one is the first I've seen and it's kinda... wrong. And it's not just the tinfoil speculation stated as fact. At one point he mentions that Sansa won't want to retake WInterfell because she doesn't want to usurp Rickon, but she thinks Rickon is dead?
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Mar 5, 2015 08:25
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Also Robert would never have pictures of tapestries displayed because he would never want to offend anyone and apparently King Aery's was definitely being raped while he was kidnapped.
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Aurain posted:I got mad at the voice over making The Mannis sound evil in his intentions for the north. But it's Roose speaking.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I didn't realize HBO hired Aatrek to write an episode. He didn't agree with the casting of Emilia Clarke.
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Aurain posted:"Although I know the perfect man for Daario!" Daario's line about "always having a choice" is taken almost word for word from Aatrek's trial.
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Hogge Wild posted:no, i think that he would do like his master robert jordan did and turn his fetishes up to eleven That would be an age-up.
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Marwyn is going to be important though. His name is a play on Merlin and he's been set up since book 1, with connections to two important characters (Qyburn and Mirri Maez Durr/Maester). If the books come out. There was a theory that sounded crazy at first but thinking on it actually made it sound reasonable. The idea being that Marwyn and Alleras were using the glass candles to enter Aemon's mind to ask him questions and gather information. The evidence being that Marwyn says the glass candles can do this, that when Sam gets to the Citadel they inexplicably know things they shouldn't (and Sam mentions this) and because Aemon makes refererence to a sphinx riddle (Sallera). Another thing someone pointed out is that the maesters test their initiates by locking them in a room and seeing if they can light a glass candle. Ostensibly this is to humble them and show them that magic is impossible but it makes more sense that the maesters do this to single out people with magical potential and then kill them, since a POV character (Melisandre?) mentions that using glass candles is one of the easiest magics to perform. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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One day, someone's going to make a killing off A Ballad of Hot and Cold.
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visceril posted:Those two are the white supremacist admins of the fan site right? They're not white supremacists, they're purists. Uh, book purists. Until recently, Linda hadn't read the last half of ASOS. And despite GRRM generally not liking fanfiction, he gave Elio and Linda permission to use Westeros characters in their online fetish role-play sessions.
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Arbite posted:Man, Theon's last ACOK chapter is such a great mix of despair and hope spots. Especially when he imagines himself in the watch. People seem to not mention that part of it but I really did like the Reek parts.When the Bolton army arrives and destroys the Stark forces, then Ramsay reveals himself to Theon as if he's a Bond villain... Just something about those chapters really interested me.
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Arbite posted:Yeah, that was fine writing. Man, I'd have loved to see the Dine with the Dead scene on the show, but I guess that's something to save for the next adaptation. One of the interesting parts of that dream is that Benjen isn't there but the rest of his family are. Since it's prophetic (he sleeps on Ned's weirwood bed*), that probably means Benjen's still alive. Oh and someone pointed out the stylistic connection between dreams Ned, Cersei and Varamyr have. They all open very similarly: Ned posted:He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood. Cersei posted:She dreamt an old dream, of three girls in brown cloaks, a wattled crone, and a tent that smelled of death. Varamyr posted:He dreamt an old dream of a hovel by the sea, three dogs whimpering, a woman’s tears. Dreaming an old dream, three figures, a location and a woman, with an aura of pain or death. I guess you could say GRRM is just really lazy but this seems to be deliberate. I guess the dreams all also feature the POVs murdering someone and each time it's never spelt out for the reader - Ned killing the kingsguard, Cersei pushing her friend down a well and Varamyr warging into the dogs to kill his brother. *Similarly, Jaime sleeps on a weirwood stump and has a dream of Casterly Rock Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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AtAt-de-fay posted:Is Quentyn in the show? Or the grey-scaled gay man Connington? Sam sexes Gilly? The script for episode 5x7 was leaked a while back: Sam and Gilly are seemingly alone in a dark room. Sam removes his breeches and pulls out his cock Dolorous Edd: Sam, why you didn't tell me you had a fat pink mast? Alan Smithee: gently caress's sake, goons spoiled me again!
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GRRM's editor tried to get him to cut a few incidences of 'words are wind' in ADWD but was ignored.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:haha what the gently caress is this. I know that the entertainment industry and Disney in particular has done a lot of shady poo poo with casting couch stuff but how do you go from believing that to believing in loving plastic surgery body doubles to cover up murder? Have you ever heard of the conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by a body double? It was pretty popular and there are still youtube loons who are convinced Paul is now Faul* despite the fact that Faul would now have been playing Paul for longer than the real Paul was alive. *McBlackfyre
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Mar 24, 2015 03:02
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Tyrion will probably leave Varys early in the season to get kidnapped by Jorah (episode 3/4/5?) and then won't show up again until his surprise appearance in episode 10.
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Rhgr posted:If you read the letter he sent to a publisher back when he was trying to sell A Game of Thrones, he basically admitted Tyrion, Jon, Dany, Arya, Bran etc would all be involved in the finale, so yeah. Yeah but Tyrion was supposed to be Jon's rival for Arya's affection so (hopefully) things have changed.
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Mar 26, 2015 16:31
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Unzip and Attack posted:Was it ever proven that the Lannisters were behind Gregor killing the squire? LF could have engineered that as well, even though a catspaw. It's not like Gregor wouldn't be easy to fool. They think Littlefinger's untrustworthy but in a minor, predictable way. Sure, he obviously has no loyalty and wants power but they think as long as they can benefit him then he'll be in their power. They don't realise his goal is to undermine the entire system and sow chaos for no real reason.
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90s Shoes posted:We need to go deeper. The Thebes = King's Landing with all the incest (Joffrey etc) and Tyrion being similar to Oedipus makes sense but sleeping with his dead mother? What? Not everything has to be exact for it to be a deliberate reference or similarity. Surprised he didn't mention the self-fulfilling Valonqar prophecy in relation to Tyrion though.
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Marillion's tongue is cut out by Joffrey at the end of season 1.
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Iron Lung posted:Nuncle spotted! Leal as well. Now we just need a serjeant.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:GRRM doesn't deserve to finish his own series at the point. Like in a cosmic karmic sense. GRRM hates fanfiction of his series. D&D write official fanfiction of his series before he does and the series ends in the form of fanfiction. GRRM has to write novelisations of the TV show that are essentially fanfiction. I bet GRRM owns a monkey's paw. "I wish for my series to be finished in a few years".
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I wonder if GRRM will just flip one day and leak the entire plot outline on his blog so the show can't steal his thunder.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Approximately what are the chances we hear the words "it's about the journey, not the destination." Sounds like the plot synopsis of AFFC/ADWD.
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threeagainstfour posted:What's unbelievable and crazy is that Littlefinger would not know about Ramsay and his exploits, or that Roose would tolerate Ramsay literally flaying a lord's entire family in front of him when the position of their house is very precarious. What was the name of the lord he flayed? Lord Gowan or something?
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Urdnot Fire posted:I love that Areo Hotah made it into the show and Darkstar didn't. I also can't imagine Linda is happy he's black. She's a purist.
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