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Finished the book last night, and while it was better than AFFC, it's still got some major weaknesses. - The Jon and Dany chapters really didn't advance at all. I thought that by the end of this book, we'd have seen a massive army of wights and Others (who've turned thousands of the defeated wildlings into wights) attack and overrun the Wall as winter arrives in full force, and Dany would have finally sorted out Meereen and trained her dragons once Tyrion arrived, letting her set sail for Westeros. - Bran/Arya. I suppose they needed to progress rapidly for the next book, but having them learn as much as they did in just a couple of chapters each didn't feel natural at all. - Davos. Great to see him again (Stannis doesn't deserve him) and it's nice to have one honest character who doesn't pay a heavy price for it. Annoyed that his plotline got left hanging as soon as it got a great arc going. = Wyman Manderley. Awesome, especially with his ice burns towards the Freys. - Kevan. I suppose he had to go since he was one of the few people left who could hold Westeros together, but he was fairly cool once Tywin wasn't around to use him as a puppet and he could give Cersei a few ice burns in AFFC.
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Lenin Stimpy posted:
The fake Horn of Joramun wasn't a surprise, I've thought for a long time that it's the old horn that Jon and Ghost found at the Fist of the First Men. And that's another hanging thread. Are we ever going to find out who buried it and those obsidian arrows/daggers there (Benjen Stark?) As for Theon, his (with Davos) was the best part of the book. Yeah, he was a traitorous arsehole in ACOK, but his torture and attempt to do something noble by helping Jeyne Poole escape the Boltons is really compelling.
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Jul 14, 2011 20:50
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Darth Windu posted:echnically, none of the Lannister children are actually Targaryens, and neither is Jon. They are all just Targaryen bastards Pretty sure Jon is actually a legitimate Targ. There’s no reason that Rhaegar and Lyanna couldn’t have married secretly, and I think there’s precedent for Targs having multiple wives. And the kicker is that no less than three Kingsguard knights were at the Tower of Joy when Ned and co arrived. At this point in time, Aerys and Rhaegar are dead, and the Kingsguard should have been with the next in line to the throne, which would be Viserys and Dany. Unless of course they’re at the ToJ because there’s someone there whose claim to the throne trumps that of Viserys/Dany…
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Jul 15, 2011 10:48
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Steve112sms posted:The one GRRM phrase I really can't stand is "sweet sister" (often preceded by "I love you too", which invariably gets used whenever Tyrion talks to Cersei, talks about her, or thinks about her. And GRRM clearly missed not being able to have Tyrion use the phrase in AFFC, so he had Jaime start using it instead, culminating in it being used 2 times in as many pages at one point.
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Jul 16, 2011 22:17
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literallyincredible posted:Stannis thinks of ruling as a duty, and he's an uncharismatic tool who everyone hates. Actually, given that Stannis is an utter dick, I wonder how he gets the most loyal people in the realm. Cressen drank poison trying to save Stannis from Melisandre, and then there's Davos.
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Jul 17, 2011 18:24
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Doibhilin posted:I think this is important. I liked what he was doing there--revenge is fun--but it did not ring true at all. That did not feel like Jon Snow. If he didn't break his vows to join Robb and avenge Ned, is he really going to bail on the Night's Watch when he is Lord Commander in the middle of the greatest threat the Watch has faced in millenia? I don't think so. I think there's something more to the last Jon chapter. On the other hand, all Jon knows is that arya is the last member left of his family and the one he was closest to, and that she's being held captive by a man who gets off on skinning people alive, walling them up to starve to death, and huntingwomen with dogs. Plus while the nights watch is sworn to be neutral in events of the 7 kingdoms, does that still apply if they're directly threatened first?
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Aug 11, 2011 08:53
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Azure_Horizon posted:This is exactly why I enjoyed the Renly/Loras relationship. It's never outright stated, but the subtle implications make it very clear, and apart from derision from the series' other dickhole characters, it's not a ~oh hey there's some homos here do you see them hint hint whisper whisper SCREAM IN YOUR FACE GAY WE ARE FLAMERS~ thing And yet there are no purely lesbian characters so far in the series. We have Renly and Loras, most likely Jon Connington, and theres a few others who are open to speculation, but they're all men. We've only seen Dany and cersei batting for the same team, and then only out of curiosity or because they just wanted some action and daario wasn't around
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