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Ixian posted:The crappy thing is that, because of the larger story it's wrapped in, it's easy to miss the real point of her chapters, which is to show the effect of the wars on the regular people of Westeros.
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CronnySockett posted:I...really didn't think that was possible. Then again, I guess you can't expect a kid to be raised in a place called the Dreadfort with a family history of skinning people to come out normal. I mean...this shouldn't be a big shock. Back in ACOK (or was it ASOS) he pretty much gives Arya the old "if you don't behave 100% like I expect you to from here on out I'm going to start removing pieces" routine.
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Jul 7, 2011 06:12
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Ray_ posted:Dany still dumb:
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Jul 8, 2011 22:28
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Ray_ posted:Edit:  Unlike many here, I've generally been really interested in Dany's storyline, and until now would have confidently said that I'd never skim through or skip her chapters. But...
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Jul 8, 2011 22:56
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Ray_ posted:Haha, gently caress all of you that laughed at the idea of Tyrion the Secret Targ! Tun, TUN, TUUUUUUUUUN.
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Jul 8, 2011 23:11
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I just finished my series re-read with AFfC this morning. I had forgotten about the last page. The one that reads, in summary, "Hey everyone I had to cut half of the book out, but don't you worry, it will most likely come out next year. Cheerio, Absolute Fucker, February 2005." What an absolute fucker.
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Jul 11, 2011 17:07
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SlipkPIe posted:So, wait Nah. It's full of people who are just really loving annoyed with how long it's taken him to get the last two books out, and the litany of excuses / diversions that have preceded them. Ixian posted:You know, he's apologized for that about a dozen times. Apologies squeezed out between bites of cake and bacon don't count.  quote:Yes, it's annoying it took close to 6 years for the second half of a book he originally split to come out. We're all a little peeved about it. At some point though doesn't it just become a little tiresome to keep bitching about it? That horse is beyond dead. It's corpse has long decayed and even the bones have been carried off by scavengers - it's time to move on. quote:Tonight - when the book actually comes out - would be a good time to do so, don't you all think? Plenty of stuff to bitch about in the new book, I imagine. I just hope the last page isn't all, "Hey guys expect the next book next year!" again. We'll have enough bitching about the length of time it'll take even without that provocation.
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Jul 11, 2011 18:13
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Tony Danza Claus posted:e: all will be forgiven if we get a Hodor POV.
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Jul 11, 2011 18:20
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Darko posted:I literally finished book 4 last night, and laughed at the note at the end. quote:I mean, even now, I'm not really excited; I'm actually somewhat dreading having to wade through Dany chapters again.  I probably shouldn't be, but still...quote:Reading through the books for the first time in quick succession also probably makes it easier to see GRRM's "gimmicks." After a while, some of them get annoying - mainly the "this person hears accurate information that would help them out tremendously but does not believe it" and "I'll purposely make you get attached to a P.O.V. character and the moment that you do, I'll kill them or have something horrible happen to them for a nut-punch to the reader!"
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Jul 11, 2011 23:00
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b0lt posted:This summarizes all of Dany's chapters: What the gently caress christ.
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Jul 13, 2011 21:00
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Finished up Dance last night, and while I enjoyed it, I can't help but echo some of the comments regarding the necessity for both Feast AND Dance. I enjoyed both books, don't get me wrong. I probably liked Feast more than most in the SA GRRM fan community. But both books seemed to have a lot of material that I felt was either unnecessary or just over-expanded on, and it just seems like there must have been a way to combine them into one (which would have been better than the sum of its parts). Specific thoughts: Enjoyed: - The Jons. With Snow, I felt like that was the story that, despite having little physical movement, progressed more than anything else. That is, that Jon was actually undertaking and accomplishing a whole lot of pretty big things with getting the wildlings settled on the other side of the wall, recruiting a bunch of them into the Watch, GIANTS, and so on. With Connington, his story moved like Tyrion/Dany's should have, and I liked his persona. - Barristan the Badass. Yeah boy. - Dany riding her dragon. - Ser Robert Strong and Cersei - interested to see how that's going to go. - Arya's limited appearance, though I'm still not sure why her parts didn't make it into Feast. Not so enjoyed: - Tyrion and Dany. Ugh. Tyrion was off and on alright, I guess, but fell well short of previous books. Dany was just boring. I didn't skip or skim her chapters like some here apparently did, but I definitely groaned when I would get to one of hers, especially if it followed one of the Jons, Arya, etc... - Victarion. Eh. He had some good POVs, and things definitely took a turn for the better once Moqorro entered the picture, but his whole enterprise just annoys me because it was such an obvious ploy of his brother's to get him out of his hair / make him look like a toady, and yet Victarion just doesn't get it. I guess it's just a bit frustrating that he's sort of a dumbass. - The image of that lamprey/rice dish above. Other thoughts: - Continue to enjoy Jaime and his new outlook on life, but that last scene was a whole load of I like the one poster's hypothesis that Brienne is bringing him back to fight the "Hound" just to prove how serious he really is about keeping his oath, but it was still an odd scene.
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Jul 18, 2011 19:10
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Kainser posted:You know what would have been great? A single Petyr chapter after the red wedding where we get to see him reacting to Catelyn being murdered Dude, everyone hates the Freys. The Freys are like the OPEC of Westeros. Everyone gets along with them when necessary, but I don't think a single house would bat an eyelash if the opportunity to wipe them out presented itself. This includes the Starks, the Tullys, the Lannisters, the Boltons, the Baelishes, the Arryns, etc... And since the Red Wedding they're hated even more.
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Jul 18, 2011 19:16
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Kainser posted:Sure, but Littlefinger has a personal reason to hate them, not only the 'oh, they were dicks to some guys that one time and broke some traditions'-reason that most other people have. I mean, this sort of applies to a lot of Houses. Many of the "true" Northern bannerman of the Starks hate them and for those it is as personal as, for instance, the death of 'Aegon' and Elia was to Dorne, as we see from Manderley's reaction. And this would go for the Mormonts and I'm sure anyone else who lost kin at the Red Wedding. The Tullys also used to merely tolerate them for the reasons you mention, but I have a feeling it's a bit more personal now. Long story short, the Freys have reached a point where, as a House, they have fewer redeeming qualities than the Lannisters (who at least have Tyrion, Jaime and Genna) and Targaryens, and are surpassed primarily by the Boltons.
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Jul 18, 2011 19:37
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Smiling Jack posted:Vicatrion knows what his brother is doing, he just decided to get the dragons for himself, dragons before bros. Oh, and I forgot to list on my list of things I enjoyed the great Wyman Manderley. For a fat guy, he sure knows how to roll.
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Jul 18, 2011 19:38
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OperaMouse posted:Yes he was, but it is not unreasonable to assume Littlefinger whispered in Joff's ear that real kings don't give mercy to traitors. Which would mean his love interest was suddenly a widow, and the realm would plunge into chaos. quote:edit: There's a fair amount of talk throughout the books about the Umbers being a fairly strong force in the north. The Freys made an explicit point of making sure that the Greatjon was captured during the Red Wedding to ensure their loyalty, from which it seems a fair inference that the Freys are cautious or afraid of the Umbers. Edit: \/\/\/ The also live in the North and know their lands well, so even if they were a minor house they could probably inflict some serious damage (ie: like the Reeds). Habibi fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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Jul 18, 2011 19:48
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Edit: ^^^ I posted the same question in the spoiler-free thread a bit earlier today. I want to say I remember a scene where Jon was dispatching messages to Deepwood Motte, which is the way by which the Braavosi banker and Asha's crew found Stannis, making it reasonable to believe that they carried that intel with them. But despite finishing this thing last night I just can't recall for sure. Incidentally, are there any more theories out there on what's going on with Loras? I recall after AFFC came out there was a whole lot being hypothesized as far as his injuries being faked / seriously exaggerated / somehow planned out beforehand by the Tyrells to get him out of the picture for the time being. I'm curious just because that whole plot always struck me as just way too convenient, what with him being a pretty boy who is now a burned wreck. On the other hand, we have Quentyn Martell, who I knew was going to be in serious trouble when I saw the chapter was named freaking 'Dragontamer,' but whose method of expiration still caught me by surprise (even when he realized he was on fire I figured he'd make it out alive somehow).
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Jul 18, 2011 19:55
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hypocrite lecteur posted:I don't think there were any mentions of Loras in ADWD. I didn't really think that his injuries were faked -- him having a deathwish and recklessly storming the keep seems pretty plausible, I think he's still pretty wrecked over Renly's death. It's possible it was a lie to take him off the board for a bit, though. Yeah again this is just something that tickled my memory from when Feast first came out and the theories about him (which in all likelihood were motivated by him being the prettyboy that he is and the fantasy fanbase being what it is) that were being thrown around at the time.
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Jul 18, 2011 20:00
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withak posted:I thought that was the entire significance of the Iron Bank guy finally catching up to Stannis in the woods. Well, the other significant part of it was that the Iron Bank guy has a ton of money - but yes, that's why I was asking.
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Jul 18, 2011 20:01
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dyehead posted:Yeah, which leads me to think that Ramsay's letter to Jon is horse poo poo, as he's asking for his bride and Reek back, which he'd have if he'd killed Stannis and co. Though the bit about Mance makes me sad, because unlike the whole Stannis thing, that part just might be true.
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Jul 18, 2011 20:25
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hhhmmm posted:*The Karstark girl shows up, fitting the prophecy correcty*. Yeah, this whole bit didn't make much sense. Her visions clearly have some element of truth yet suffer in the interpretation, but that's no reason to completely discount a vision of daggers and personal danger.
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Jul 18, 2011 21:38
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Cervixalot posted:So I know a lot of people were pissed about how Bran's story petered out, but I did like how we saw traces of him throughout the rest of the book, like when Theon got close to Weirwood trees and heard whispers. I wasn't pissed about his storyline, but I was disappointed. Yeah, it had some neat revelations and in that sense was pretty cool, but there wasn't much in the way of plot movement. Not sure about the whole future thing (the description of how weirwoods relate to time could, I guess, go either way, but I'm leaning towards 'past and present only'), but I like that it seems to be going in the direction of 'someone with the ability can use the trees to communicate/see afar/etc...' which would explain a lot as far as the prevalence / worship / importance of those trees. Oh, also - I remember when the book was leaked there was apparently talk of Howland Reed inhabiting Arthur Dayne's body, but I can't recall actually reading anything that suggested that in the book. Was that just a fake spoiler or did I miss something?
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Jul 18, 2011 22:02
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Ghost Hat posted:I get why Meereen was such a clusterfuck for Martin. There was a lot going on inside the city, and no clear way of getting out of the situation without being faithful to Dany's personality. ("I don't want to hurt anyone because I'm DIFFICULT) That said, I don't think Martin handled it very well. Nothing was really solved and as a result the plot never moved forward. I mean if you think about it, a dragon had to literally descend from the heavens and pick Dany up to get her out of that stupid city. Not exactly genius writing.
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Jul 18, 2011 22:19
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Edit: ^^^ The Archmaester to whom Sam is introduced in Feast, who immediately then takes off to meet Dany. Also the one who had the dragonglass candle burning in his room, IIRC, as well as the one who taught both Mirri Maz Duur and Qyburn. Nice resume.Comrade Flynn posted:Oh god...didn't Tywin have a sister that married one of the Freys? Yeah, Genna - but she was pretty awesome. Sort of like a non-dwarf female Tyrion. Habibi fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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Jul 18, 2011 22:22
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BeigeJacket posted:Danys last chapter was weird, I'm not sure what exactly the big fellow was trying to get at. It seems to be a lost-inthe-wilderness-leading-to-great-revelation trope that usually signifies a character reflecing on the past and making a decision for the future. OR it could be read as a woe-is-me-all-is-forsaken self pity jag. Either way it was pretty vaguely done and not satisfying. There were a few times in the book where people were getting murdered and Danys interior monologue would say something like "she was the blood of the dragon, she would lead her people" or some poo poo. And I'd be sitting there thinking 'alright now the gloves are off and shes going to give the dragons a whirl, and of course it never happens. Yeah, I agree. I was expecting that chapter to be exactly what you describe, a trial-by-hardship sort of revelation from which she emerges being able to control her dragon - or really anything to move her story. But now it's really unclear just what the hell it is that she has emerged with, if anything
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Jul 18, 2011 22:56
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Supreme Allah posted:Speaking of Patchface, did I read right that Melisandre didn't trust him? There HAS to be something up with Patchface, there just HAS to be. I don't know if it's the lines Martin gave him, or the way he's been written, or the reaction to him from several characters / Melisandre, but there's going to be some weird poo poo going on with him. I have no idea what it's going to be or how or when or why, but SOMETHING will happen.
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Jul 19, 2011 01:50
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Solice Kirsk posted:Wow. Lots of book talk going on in here. Almost didn't recognize the place... Anywho, it just doesn't strike me as a ploy Mance would pull. I think he would be much more clever than just sending an angry letter. I like that theory specifically because it sounds exactly like something Mance would do. Let's not forget this is the guy who decided to go sneaking into Winterfell to see the king's party way back in GoT. And jovial as he sometimes seems, he gives the impression that he'd gladly gently caress Jon / Stannis for everything they pulled on 'his people.' Fly Molo posted:Isn't Big Daddy Bolton the Lord of Winterfell while he's alive? Further proof that Ramsay's off Roose's leash? Nah, Ramsay got Winterfell by virtue of 'Arya.' Daddy Roose is the Lord of the Dreadfort. E:f;b E2: The Kingsguardian sent to retrieve Myrcella/deliver 'Gregor's' head was Balon Swann. I can't recall Trant being mentioned at all in the last two books, but I may be misremembering.
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Jul 19, 2011 07:00
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Decius posted:He was not wrong. It's true that I am just a young girl and know little about the ways of forum posting...
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Jul 19, 2011 14:45
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DirtyRobot posted:The impression I got during those scenes is that whenever Dany said that, she thought she was being half coy, half The first time or two she used it it made some sense, as she was in many ways still a novice and they occurred during times when someone was trying to take advantage of her. By the middle of ADWD she just throws that poo poo out whenever. Got annoying.
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Jul 19, 2011 14:51
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FairGame posted:No he won't. Dude's clearly decided that he's going to die from greyscale so long as he can get Aegon back on the throne. Nevermind the fact that there's been like 329032902390 characters in the series who have half a hand, 1 hand, 1 arm and still manage to kick rear end.
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Jul 19, 2011 17:06
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Midnight- posted:Zombie Gregor's armor gets pierced in Cercei's trial by combat, and his inside blows away like dust. I like to picture Zombie Gregor as being akin to the golems in Dragon Age, where (spoilered because I thought it was a pretty awesome bit of background that you find some way into the main story) they are men (dwarves) made to drink a molten metal with magical/mutative properties and then encased in armor also made from said metal, so that they essentially die a grizzly and horrific death and end up being mindless servants, while everyone else thinks they're just really neat artificially created beings who are great and help protect their cities.
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Jul 19, 2011 18:40
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DahtBard posted:So in the TV show (for those who didn't get the chance to see it) there were a few absolutely fantastic added scenes with just Varys and Littlefinger verbally dueling rather magnificently. They both spoke with high elegance, but also had a good amount of grudging respect buried in their words. Is their any way that they could be working together for the destabilization of the realm?
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Jul 19, 2011 19:00
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Rednik posted:At this point I'm positive Aegon is Illyrio's son.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:08
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priznat posted:Ramsay puts the GRR in swinger baby, yeah! I'd like to see GRRM pull this off. Jamie is one thing. Ramsay...
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Jul 19, 2011 19:42
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priznat posted:Yeah, it's pretty unlikely but drat it would be impressive if he manages it. I had thought Theon would be pretty irredeemable but you can't help but pity the guy now. I mean, Theon did some horrible poo poo, but as far as the world knows it's worse than it was (though not really by much) - but as much as he's always been an entitled prick, he's not the wantonly cruel motherfucker that Ramsay is. I honestly can't even imagine what it would take for Ramsay to become sympathetic unless it's some "Roose has mind control powers and Ramsay is really a nice lad locked away in the corner of his mind while the Lord of the Dreadfort controls him like a puppet" bullshit explanation.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:49
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Charlie Mopps posted:Melisandre and Stannis have been cast for season 2. Not bad. Melisandre seems like a good fit, visually. Almost exactly what she looks like even on the original US cover art for ACoK. My first reaction to Stannis is that he looks a bit old (older than Robert), but then, his experiences over the books age him a ton, so that'll probably be fine. I liked him as Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries, but he was a sort of flighty day-dreaming character, and as Stannis he's going to need to practice clenching his jaw and grinding his teeth. But his quiet and unassuming demeanor fits pretty well.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:51
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Tony Danza Claus posted:Also, Jon's sword (valyrian steel (good for killing Others)) was quenched in the blood of his chick, just like AA.
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Jul 19, 2011 20:24
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priznat posted:I quite like the Braavos/Arya chapters hypocrite lecteur posted:Why does Tyrion keep telling people he killed joffrey? Just because he doesn't care and it's going to be laid at his feet anyways? The evidence points to the Tyrells otherwise doesn't it
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Jul 19, 2011 20:34
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euphronius posted:Arya's face changing scene was one of the coolest parts of the book though. quote:Also someone said way back that Jon snapping and breaking his vows to go after the Bolton's was out of character. I thought GRRM built into that nicely. At every step he was moving away from the Black and moving closer to his other identities as Jon Snow (Stark) and as a Wilding.
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Jul 19, 2011 21:23
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priznat posted:Were there any hints that Coldhands may be Benjen Stark? I kept an eye out but didn't see any. Not really. The only things we really have are: 1) Benjen's body hasn't been found (which isn't a huge shocker in any case) 2) He is clearly in some way dedicated to the Watch 3) It's been remarked and made obvious that the zombies have some memory of either who they were or general things going on around them So we could speculate that Benjen, being probably far more devoted to the NW than most of his fallen compatriots by virtue of having chosen to serve there despite having other options, as well as having Stark blood and as such being related to the First Men yadda yadda, could well have risen as a wight and then still had enough of his old loyalties in his head to resist whatever crazy mind-altering poo poo happens to other zombies.
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Lord Hydronium posted:For all the analysis this line has gotten, I just read it as Patchface nonsense. I mean, he does make occasional true prophecies, but I figured that they were mixed up with his equivalent of "in Soviet Russia" jokes. What occasional true prophecies has he made? I can't recall.
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