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Just finished the fucker last night, and just finished this thread. Was gonna post my thoughts, but it all seems to have been covered here pretty thoroughly already so gently caress that.. Things that I can't figure out though, after the 'peace' in Meereen is signed, why is the Yunkai army still besieging the city? And why is the Wilding princess Val so important that everyone shits their collective breeches when Jon lets her go? Edit: Oh, and what was the significance of the Bravvosi banker dude riding into Stannis camp with Theon exactly? Also, I thought Cerseis walk 'o shame was brilliantly done, even with the creepy pussy shaving scene beforehand. Even made me feel sorry for the crazy bitch, especially when she breaks and ends up crawling on all fours whilst the cities peasantry engage in a wonderfully brutal schadenfreude. And Tyrions boat ride was cool as hell, especially when they had to go under the bridge with the falling stone disease monster fellows. mcable posted:What the gently caress kind of knot was there in Mereen if this is the "solution". Mereen is as big a clusterfuck as ever with the city still being sieged, two dragons on the loose, Tyrion/Victarion/Marwyn still haven't meet Dany, and Dany making GBS threads around in the middle of the Dothraki sea. Yeah, this puzzled me as well. I kept waiting for the incredibly twisty, tightly plotted series of events that caused an experienced, talented author such problems and it was only right before the loving end that I realised that it wasn't coming. Most of these characters never even interacted with each other, it felt disjointed. It was Dany and the Meereenese with their politicking and everyone else accomplishing a whole lot of nothing. And how hard can it be to get Important Character A to Significant Location B? "Ser Olliver Fancypants stepped off the ship. It had been a hard, long journey and he was glad to be in the port of Pancake Harbour, where a man could drink to excess and pay for sexual congress." Done. BeigeJacket fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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EC posted:The Bravossi dude was a rep from the Iron Bank, who is trying to collect on the debt that the throne owes them. He met up with Jon right before the scene with Stannis (which is why he had some crows as escorts), and I believe he popped up in AFFC too. Cersei shuts his rear end down, though. Sure I got all that, but I can't see why him riding into Stannis lines (other than as a Theon delivery device) is in any way important enough to end the whole (first person) Winterfell/Stannis section of the book. Any theories on what happened to Lord Manderly? The Frey (?) dude slices him up after his splendid iceburn, but only "cuts through 3 of his four chins". IIRC some of his guys are trying to patch him up, and then Roose calls the army and marches out to meet Stannis (or whoever Stannis guy is banging the drums outside Winterfell, an Umber I think) and thats the last we hear of that.
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Smiling Jack posted:Cersi told The Iron Bank to gently caress off. The King's Landing faction os now broke. The Iron Bank is going to support Stannis as long as Stannis promises to pay up when he wins. Ah, that makes sense thanks. Wouldn't say the Kingslanding-ers are broke broke tho, in the epilogue Kevans mentions how the Lannisters will have to cover their debts from now on, and they are rich as gently caress. Also, gently caress the haters I like Daario, dudes got his fancy blue hair, a company of bros to ride around with and a smoking hot queen who can't get enough of him. He's the one of the few people in this whole mess who just flat out loves what he does and gets a kick out of life.
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Jul 18, 2011 16:07
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Who will be the head of House Lannister now that Kevan is dead?
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Jul 18, 2011 22:10
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Cervixalot posted:Lancel? Or is he married to the Seven now. Pretty sure his joining the religious order counts him out for the top spot, like Jamie being in the Kingsguard. All of Tywins brothers are now dead, so maybe Tommen or one of Kevans other sons, if the rules say it passes to the son of the current head, otherwise some random cousin I guess? Honestly these medieval succession traditions are so loving obtuse. Now, someone tell me who the hell Marwyn is, and why I keel seeing his name pop up on nerd forums discussing ADWD.
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^^^^^^^ Oh right, that dude. He's had like, 10 pages of screen time at most, and he's already in the mix? Habibi posted:And more than that, even given the recent developments, there still doesn't necessarily seem to be a clear way out of Meereen. Ok, she sort of has psuedo-control over Drogon, and she may have another khalassar. But is she just going abandon Meereen to the exact same situation that she didn't want to abandon them to earlier? It just doesn't seem like her justification for leaving the city, intact or burning or whatever, is any better/clearer now than before Dance. Danys last chapter was weird, I'm not sure what exactly the big fellow was trying to get at. It seems to be a lost-inthe-wilderness-leading-to-great-revelation trope that usually signifies a character reflecing on the past and making a decision for the future. OR it could be read as a woe-is-me-all-is-forsaken self pity jag. Either way it was pretty vaguely done and not satisfying. There were a few times in the book where people were getting murdered and Danys interior monologue would say something like "she was the blood of the dragon, she would lead her people" or some poo poo. And I'd be sitting there thinking 'alright now the gloves are off and shes going to give the dragons a whirl, and of course it never happens. BeigeJacket fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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Alright then, check out GURMS justification on the knot; http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/5431/ you know who posted:The Meerenese Knot related to everyone reaching Dany. There's a series of events that have to occur in Meereen, things that are significant. She has various problems to deal with at the start: dealing with the slavers, threats of war, the Sons of the Harpy, and so on. At the same time, there's all of these characters trying to get to her. So the problem was to figure out who should reach her and in what order, and what events should happen by the time they've reached her. I kept coming up with different answers and I kept having to rewrite different versions and then not being satisfied with the dynamics until I found something that was satisfactory. I thought that solution worked well, but it was not my first choice. Try as I may I just can't see how he resolved any of this, beyond moving the bulk of it to book six. Tyrion, Victarion, this Oldtown mage no-mark never got to Mereen, Martell did and was hilariously ineffective, and now you've got Dany stuck in Dothraki land away from Barristan, the Unsullied and the rest of her peeps. Unless the last ADWD chapter was some massive epiphany after all, and she solves this issue by BURNING THE gently caress OUT OF THINGS, I don't see how the next book can get things moving again without a bunch more static bullshit. The problem was that he set up Dany as being totally committed to her antislavery position whilst showing what a fucker this is to implement. Unless she goes for the nuclear option of killing all her enemies without fail, with all the collateral damage that entails, we're going to see more o the same. loving Mereen man. BeigeJacket fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jul 18, 2011 |
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Jul 18, 2011 22:51
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hypocrite lecteur posted:There's a lot of talk about how they don't really stop growing as long as they have room and food, and about the black dragon back in the day putting armies in shadow with his wingspan The big, wild fucker is described as having a wingspan of 20 feet at one point.
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Jul 18, 2011 23:16
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DahtBard posted:Wasn't he the Kingsguard sent to get Myrcella from Dorne? Y'know, because Oakheart got Darkstar'd. Also throwing in some love for the Areo Hotah POV; I don't get why Barristan gets all the love for being a badass sentry and Hotah doesn't. Because Selmy is an actual character and Hotah is a glorified extra with an Axe.
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I'm re-reading ADWD at the moment, after demolishing it it 2 days after it was published. Half-way through one of the early Dany chapters it struck how staggeringly un-curious she is about Westeros. Dany asks Selmy to tell her a tale of the old country and he starts yakking it up about the time he was dismissed by Joffrey and escaped the city killing a bunch of dudes on the way despite being un-armed. Dany cracks a snide comment about how Ned Stark is a traitor sofuckthatguy, but mainly she doesn't give a poo poo. Changes the subject instantly, starts pining about her dragons being locked up. It was the same situation when Jorah was on the scene, he'd be telling a story and she'd be like 'oh look at that butterfly', and instantly lose interest. I mean maybe Gurm is setting up a scenario where she is loathed by her subjects as a foreign barbarian when she FINALLY returns, but honestly I don't think so. Unless he really is just making this poo poo up on the fly, I don't see how he can get this broad to get motivated without it coming across as completely different in tone from the previous 5 books of moping and prevaricating. BeigeJacket fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Dec 13, 2011 |
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mind the walrus posted:
Did Aegon or Connington ever say anything about Dany? Why didn't they try and team up? Whilst the Dany sections have become increasingly tiresome, I wasn't expecting her to launch an invasion in ADWD. That's some poo poo that he's (presumably) saving up for the big climax in the last book. For what it's worth Fatty has said he isn't introducing any new POV characters. But he needs to cull down the cast list some to reduce the downtime between each faction getting a decent amount of attention. Case in point, without checking any wikis or anything could you summarise the motivations and background of the Maester Sam meets in Oldtown who skedaddles off to Mereen at the end of AFFC? Could you even remember that dudes loving name? If he has any balls, he should make Jon be dead. Dead, not coming back, no magic deus ex machina. Worm food. Sure, it'd be a kind of a pain the balls to have no real resolution to a main character, but it'd shake things up, and the 'low-born lad who is forced into doing great deeds' is a tired fantasy trope.
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