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It is pretty interesting how people in this thread can both trust and distrust the info they are given in the book. Septa that was once pregnant? Gotta be Ashara. There's no way she is who she says she is. Ramsay says he beat Stannis and took his sword? Well if Ramsay said it, it must be true! Either way, I liked the book, I just don't like the fact that the first 800 pages were setting up the last 100 pages, and the last 100 pages were setting up further books.
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Can someone explain the whole Lady Lemore = Ashara Dayne? I thought Dayne threw herself from a tower, that seems like a death that would have many witnesses. Is there any evidence that Lemore is Dayne and not who she says she is? Also, as far as the coin Arya gave the guy, I just assumed it's magic. These guys can put faces of dead people on other people, nothing says they can't have special coins that kill people.
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Jul 17, 2011 18:05
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Well Tyrion calls Lemore more handsome than pretty. Connington didn't so much fake his death as he left his life behind and people assumed he was dead. Ashara supposedly flung herself from a tower, didn't she? Tyrion marks her past 40. Wasn't Ned mid-30s? I couldn't off on that, been a while since I read AGoT. Referring to her as lady could be a courtesy or even a joke. Ser Rolly Duckfield seems to be exactly who he claims to be, just some dude that Connington knighted. Just seems really hokey to me, though. All these people that were dead keep turning up. He can make interesting characters without having to resort to dead ones from 20 years 15 years ago.
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Jul 17, 2011 18:35
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Ray_ posted:She's older, of course she's lost some of her beauty. A) People were saying "Ashara was beautiful, Lemore is beautiful, thus..." I was just saying she's not described as beautiful. B) That's exactly my point. Connington didn't fake his death, he just went into hiding and everyone assumed he was dead. C) Many people of common birth are called Lord, I don't see why someone couldn't be called Lady without being a noble. D) I think a lot of people assume that anyone in the company of Aegon would be some secret lord of great power and influence. I think Duck pretty much shows that Connington is willing to let regular people around Aegon. E) Did the Halfmaester have a story? Does that make him someone important that died 15 years ago? In the end, I just think it's really retarded for everyone to be someone. If there were solid evidence pointing to Lemore being Ashara, I'd agree with it, but at this point it's just a shot in the dark so three books later someone can say "See I told you so!"
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Jul 17, 2011 20:07
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Ecco the Dolphin posted:I think Ilyrio's plans go no farther than restoring the Targs, but I think that Varys's motives go much deeper, and he knows a lot more than he lets on even to Ilyrio. Varys is going to come out being an unequivocally good guy at the end, I'm calling it. I think he's well aware of the threat of the Others, he knows that they're awakening now and why, and he's setting up events to allow a victory against them. I think you are completely wrong. These two are working some kind of angle. Illyrio has spent a fortune to get things where they are. Remember, he gave Dany 3 dragon's eggs, which are worth a handsome price alone. Then, he pays off the Golden Company to meet up with Dany. He's invested quite a bit into the raising and education of Aegon I would imagine. Varys, on the other hand, has been in Westeros since mad king Aerys. If his entire goal was to protect the realm from the Others, I doubt he'd let it go to poo poo right as they reach the realm. These fuckers are up to something big. Pentos, maybe? Seems small game still. Maybe they want dragons themselves, and will betray Dany.
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Jul 18, 2011 17:47
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Lenin Stimpy posted:Did anyone catch the little hint in Cersei's last chapter about how Littlefinger probably told Joffrey to kill Ned? No no no no no no. Joffery was supposed to send Ned to the wall, but instead had him killed. That's what that quote meant. Stop reading into poo poo that isn't there.
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bigmcgaffney posted:I feel like some people would be more satisfied with a pagelong bullet list to finish the series. A bullet list of which crazy theories are confirmed, to be specific. What if Rickon wargs into Cersei and has sex with Drogon and thus creates a secret Stark Lannister Targ???
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