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scarymonkey posted:Speaking of MASH I would say Donna is pretty much Radar, Josh has a bit of Hawkeye in him, and Leo is Col. Potter. Or more specifically Stanley Keyworth is Sidney Freedman. Another framing device, a heart-to-heart with your shrink. But yeah, I guess MASH did influence a lot of stuff. I think it really shows in Sorkin though. drat this thread for making me want to do another rewatch. It's really rare for me. A lot of shows I love I just have no interest in rewatching. West Wing I've watched all the way through twice and many epsiodes in series one and two three or four times. My biggest problem is how morish I find it, especially near the beginning and season 7. It's the only drama where I can watch three or four episodes back-to-back. Two in the morning? Oh, OK one more episode. Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jul 8, 2011 |
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Josh Lyman posted:Did someone ask for me? Whoops, fixed.
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Josh Lyman posted:Did someone ask for me? Mister "Lemon" Lyman? Don't you know how these forays into the internet-world usually turn out for you?
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Jul 8, 2011 15:07
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There are some interesting tidbits involving televisionwithoutpity.com and Sorkin that resulted in that internet forum storyline. http://bitchkittie.blogspot.com/2006/02/long-back-story-of-aaron-sorkin-west.html Turns out Sorkin is kind of a troll. He had a dispute with one of the writers of an episode where they shared credit. He really can't let things go even years later. quote:However I was surprised that Sorkin even seemed to dredge up the old tiff with Rick Cleveland by having a character called "Ricky Tahoe" (See Cleveland is a city and Tahoe is a city...isn't Aaron clever?) who happens to be a hack writer who isn't as talented as his boss, the Aaron Sorkin-stand in, Matt Albie.
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Scuttle_SE posted:Mister "Lemon" Lyman? Don't you know how these forays into the internet-world usually turn out for you? 
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Josh Lyman posted:CJ only told me to stay off that one site! She never said anything about SA. So, Josh, do you still think that the White House can order a GAO review of anything it wants? Also, CJ did say she'd shove a motherboard SO FAR UP YOUR rear end if she caught wind of you doing anything like this again.
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Jul 8, 2011 15:34
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My friend got me hooked on this show in college, and I've loved it ever since. One of my big problems with the show now though is I can't stop hearing Sorkin's favorite phrase: "You bet your rear end." He uses it all the time, in his movies, in the TV shows he wrote, everywhere. Now whenever I hear it it just grates on me.
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Gravy Jones posted:Do we really need spoilers for a show that ended five years ago? It's not like an spoiler-free rewatch thread or anything. MASH has done everything; I would be more surprised if he wasn't heavily influenced by MASH. Hell, even The Office is influenced by MASH. drat that was a good show. I would be willing to bet all the money in my pockets against all the money in your pockets that every major show runner in the US is intimately familiar with every episode of MASH.
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Whenever my girlfriend randomly asks me what I'm thinking about and I'd normally say "nothing" because I'm thinking about something stupid like fantasy football or Kristen Bell and I don't want to talk about it, now I just say "Sam Seaborn." For some reason that is always a satisfactory and sufficient answer.
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Probably my favourite tv show of all time. I binged my way through this on the first sitting, I recently re-watched it with my girlfriend and there are so many fist pumping, stomach churning and tear jerking moments. It seems like the trendy thing to do to claim that seasons 1-4 are infinitely better than 5-7, there were some amazing moments in the latter half of the shows run. Josh was always my favourite character so the Santos / Vinick campaign that afforded him a lot more screen time made me very happy. I read that during Obama's campaign he was introduced by Jimmy Smits at a campaign event, whose character in the West Wing was based on a rising star from Chicago. META.
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Over The Road posted:Probably my favourite tv show of all time. Matt Santos was from Texas--they mention it multiple times in terms of "flipping" the electoral math during the campaign. Also, I'd agree that seasons 1-4 are vastly superior to 5-6, but the campaign in season 7 was fantastic. I would have had a tough time not voting for Arnie Vinick, and I'm a diehard liberal. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 9, 2011 |
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Alter Ego posted:Matt Santos was from Texas--they mention it multiple times in terms of "flipping" the electoral math during the campaign. I would vote for Santos, but I wouldn't be absurdly angry if Vinick won.
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Alter Ego posted:So, Josh, do you still think that the White House can order a GAO review of anything it wants? quote:Also, CJ did say she'd shove a motherboard SO FAR UP YOUR rear end if she caught wind of you doing anything like this again.
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Jul 9, 2011 18:53
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What's Sam like after an intern owns him?
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Season 6 has still got it, and Martin Sheen can still sell it. "This. Plane. Is going to China. That is a direct order from your commander in chief."
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FISHMANPET posted:Season 6 has still got it, and Martin Sheen can still sell it. Yeah Season 6 got real good. This is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulk3hDwxnmg
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Jul 10, 2011 01:10
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Josh Lyman posted:The White House does not engage in any activity that violates the 5th Amendment or Title 6. Josh, why the pornstache? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3g50Q8nuMQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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scarymonkey posted:Josh, why the pornstache? Have you seen "The Good Guys"? He rocked it well in that.
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maniacripper posted:This scene epitomizes Toby, Josh and POTUS at their best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj1OsTLyBgg Needs more Sam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh4DGUNWmiU Of course that's still only the second-best opening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9wtjuvqNQ
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scarymonkey posted:Josh, why the pornstache? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ0AsMh6M68 All West Wing fans need to watch The Good Guys. It's on Netflix instant I think.
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Josh Lyman posted:The White House does not engage in any activity that violates the 5th Amendment or Title 6. What's it like every time Lou Thornton owns your rear end in a campaign? Does it make you feel less like a man, Josh?
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Over The Road posted:I read that during Obama's campaign he was introduced by Jimmy Smits at a campaign event, whose character in the West Wing was based on a rising star from Chicago. META. Yeah, it was amazing how the whole thing played out, especially with the Vinick/McCain comparisons as well. Back in 2008, Slate put up a video showing how alike Santos and Obama were. "Big Block of Cheese Day" is the best of days. Lucania fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jul 10, 2011 |
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Squinty posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ0AsMh6M68 Well its cancelled and it wasn't very good... so I don't see why.
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Two Cathedrals is the best hour of television ever. And there's a handful of other episodes - Bartlet For America, Celestial Navigation, 17 People, In The Shadow Of Two Gunmen - that are in the discussion. When The West Wing was on, there was never a better show, not The Wire or The Sopranos or AD or anything else. It wasn't on all the time, of course. Not nearly enough love for Annabeth in the "seasons six and seven were actually pretty good" line of discussion. The Leo/Annabeth stuff on the campaign trail was freaking awesome and then welp. This thread is probably going to prompt me into a rewatch. It's been awhile.
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jeffersonlives posted:Two Cathedrals is the best hour of television ever. And there's a handful of other episodes - Bartlet For America, Celestial Navigation, 17 People, In The Shadow Of Two Gunmen - that are in the discussion. When The West Wing was on, there was never a better show, not The Wire or The Sopranos or AD or anything else. It wasn't on all the time, of course. You'll probably get a load of people arguing against this view but I won't be one of them. I agree with every last bit of it.
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Does anyone know what the writers original plans were for Annabeth/Leo before his untimely death had to be written into the show?
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This thread seems as good a place as any to mention that there's a new Aaron Sorkin show coming up on HBO next spring, More As This Story Develops: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1870479/ Technically at this point it's still just a pilot, but Sorkin just won an Oscar for best screenplay so I'm guessing there's a 99.99% chance it goes to series. The premise sounds a lot more like Sports Night than The West Wing, with its behind-the-scenes-of-a-news-show premise (and a relationship between Emily Mortimer and Alison Pill's characters that sounds identical to Dana and Natalie), but it's still definitely my most anticipated new show of 2012, even after the Studio 60 debacle.
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Deadpool posted:You'll probably get a load of people arguing against this view but I won't be one of them. I agree with every last bit of it. Agreed. The West Wing is about hope and striving to do our best and to better our world and I can't really think of many other tv shows that really do that anymore.
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Paragon8 posted:Agreed. The West Wing is about hope and striving to do our best and to better our world and I can't really think of many other tv shows that really do that anymore. While I do like The West Wing, I think that the optimism really grated after a while. My main problem is that nobody on the show stopped and asked whether the policy was good or not; people would pass something and say what's next. It never analyses the implications of the policies, which makes it feel very detached. The Wire was a pretty good way to show the implications of federal policies and how they rarely help those who need it most. In keeping with tradition there was a fairly liberal interpretation of history outside the US, and I hated Lord Marbury or whatever his name was- it's like every British cliche dialed up to 11. Also I didn't like the death penalty episode just because nobody pointed out the obvious; if you execute people you will also execute innocent people.
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The West Wing is an idealized version of our society, The Wire is our reality.
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Plucky Brit posted:While I do like The West Wing, I think that the optimism really grated after a while. My main problem is that nobody on the show stopped and asked whether the policy was good or not; people would pass something and say what's next. It never analyses the implications of the policies, which makes it feel very detached. The Wire was a pretty good way to show the implications of federal policies and how they rarely help those who need it most. John Marbury, Earl of Croy, Earl of Sherborne, Marquess of Needham and Dolby, Baronet of Brycey. GERALD!
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Plucky Brit posted:.... Also I didn't like the death penalty episode just because nobody pointed out the obvious; if you execute people you will also execute innocent people. That's not really relevant. You can say the same about any punishment. e.g. If you jail people you can also jail innocent people. Honestly I'd rather be wrongly executed than wrongly given life imprisonment. Especially that after about a year or so in the American prison system I would have probably lost my humanity. Life isn't an numbers game, life isn't better just because you reach the bigger number, quality matters as much as quantity.
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I had a few eps running last night, and should have stopped at one fewer. What a letdown to see the excellent 'The Supremes' (with Glenn Close and William Fichtner as justice nominees) followed by the worthless 'Access' (fake documentary of a day in CJ's life).
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WoG posted:I had a few eps running last night, and should have stopped at one fewer. What a letdown to see the excellent 'The Supremes' (with Glenn Close and William Fichtner as justice nominees) followed by the worthless 'Access' (fake documentary of a day in CJ's life). My favorite part about Access is how one of the deputy press secretaries shows up later (Donna takes his place on the Middle East trip).
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Which episode featured Bartlet dressing down that lady that hosted a radio talkshow (I think) who was sitting down the entire time and he called her out on it? One of the best scenes ever.
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GutBomb posted:Which episode featured Bartlet dressing down that lady that hosted a radio talkshow (I think) who was sitting down the entire time and he called her out on it? One of the best scenes ever. "The Midterms", S2E3. It was right after Josh got shot.
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Alter Ego posted:"The Midterms", S2E3. It was right after Josh got shot. I just blasted through the whole series for the first time in glorious HD on iTunes and it's hard to remember when and where things happened. I definitely noticed a change when Sorkin left, like conversations and events that never would have happened had he been writing but I wouldn't say that it was a decline by any means, just different. One of my favorite shows of all time. I liked Sports Night and Studio 60 but held off on watching The West Wing because it's so long, comparatively.
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FISHMANPET posted:My favorite part about Access is how one of the deputy press secretaries shows up later (Donna takes his place on the Middle East trip). Of course, that's just a minor complaint in a wholly lousy episode.
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WoG posted:The new players suddenly introduced in that episode were a bit jarring. Of course it's a given that there are many more people working behind the scenes of the west wing that we'd never meet, and the press office hasn't been the focus or fleshed out much, but after five years of a show that consists almost entirely of people striding around handing off envelopes, we would have caught a glimpse of people who interact with CJ directly and constantly. I just suspend disbelief at who we do or do not see. It's never stated what happens to Sam after he loses his House race, and we do see that he at some point ends up as a lawyer in California, but it's suggested that he still works at the White House, doing policy stuff.
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