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unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Martytoof posted:

Does Textual not work on everyone else's 10.7 install? I mean the free one, not the App Store one. Mine just bounces then quits

I don't really want to switch back to Colloquy but I might for now if the only one that work on 10.7 is the pay version.
Check Console.app -- more than likely, it's error'd out and printed something there.

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unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Jiggs posted:

I downloaded the mac app store version, but it won't let me install it.

Error message:


Do I have to erase/install from scratch?
Have you tried doing what the error tells you to do?

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Do I have to again download ~3gb of Xcode 4, even though I've already downloaded it in SL?

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Kobayashi posted:

Lion is starting to grow on me. I used to have two spaces: One for activity, and another for monitoring (email, calendar, IM, iTunes). What I'm finding now is that I like to run Mail and iCal in fullscreen mode and treat them as their own spaces. I also reverted Dashboard to an overlay instead of its own space.

Question about software: Any recommendations for money management and accounting?
I was going to suggest 'Cha-Ching', but MoneyWell looks much better right off the bat.

Edit: Add to that that Cha-Ching was bought by Intuit... Man, where have I been?

Also: I'm doing the same thing you are. The full-screenable apps I don't even worry about, I have a 'chat' desktop for IM (personal and work) and then a generic desktop for doing file operations and other non application specific tasks.

I really am liking Lion a lot. Certainly things could be fixed, but it's pretty awesome so far.

unruly fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jul 22, 2011

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

passionate dongs posted:

I was surprisingly happy with Lion until you pointed this out. Why would they do that? gently caress.
http://www.panic.com/~wade/picker/

I've been using this for almost a year now. Much better.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Dan Hollis posted:

How come I never had this issue before Lion? The whole purpose of private browsing for me is to not have people see the poo poo I read and see here on Something Awful (and porn of course.)
I think the change in WebKit2 is that instead of sending existing Cookies and other session data, the browser is decoupled from the local resources altogether. This should be seen as an improvement in private browsing.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

CaptainPsyko posted:

So, I never realized that the Reader button in Safari, in addition to unifying multipage articles, also circumvents the NYT paywall.

That's handy.
The NYT paywall consists of a hilariously easy to circumvent CSS overlay. They want their Google page rank but still want you to pay.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Corbet posted:

Is anyone surprised about how much like enjoy fullscreen implementation on Lion? I've always been a big proponent of carefully organized windows on one display, but I really like being able to three finger swipe between different apps/desktops.

Now we just have to wait until all apps implement a full screen function.
I do. They need to fix some bugs though. Like when the window is resized for any reason, it doesn't snap back (I've had this happen with iTunes a lot, and you can see for yourself when you enable/disable the status bar in Safari) and the behavior when a new window is spawned.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Barack Pwnbama posted:

No, I've got indicator lights on. It's just textedit and preview, and sometimes textedit will stay open, but not always.

Nothing else seems to do this.
This is intended behavior with apps that support it (surprise, both Preview and TextEdit do): http://arstechnica.com/apple/review...8#process-model

Basically: if your system is looking for RAM, an App can tell the system that it's available for shutdown because it's done doing what it needs to, and it's otherwise idle.

There are two different variations of this, both outlined in the article. It's a pretty neat feature, but like the rest of Lion, quite a shocking change of pace for the above average user.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Martytoof posted:

Holy poo poo, this completely explains why I have QuickTime processes that continually show up in ActMon but there's no QuickTime visibly running.
Yeah, it's no joke that the Ars review on Lion is probably the best companion piece to learning how the system works now. It's like a free Lion Bible or something.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Barack Pwnbama posted:

It just annoys me a bit how they always shut down every time. If it really was because the system needed RAM I'd get it, but I've got 8 gigs with 3.5 gigs free right now and it does it anyway.

I guess I'll just have to live with it.
I could also be wrong

Check Console.app and see if there are any errors being spit out there regarding TextEdit or Preview. Thats usually where I check first when apps blink out.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

YO MAMA HEAD posted:

Hey thanks. Now as long as I'm the first person to find out how to disable the Change Desktops animation, I'll be set.
Sorry, you're a couple days too late.

For the lazy:
code:
defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSAutomaticWindowAnimationsEnabled -bool NO

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

YO MAMA HEAD posted:

Is that all animations? I was under the impression it was just the "new window open" animation. I'm talking about when you switch spaces and everything slides over.

(I've already run all those fixes but haven't restarted to check yet)
Oh, I have no idea. I don't know if those particular animations can be turned off.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Martytoof posted:

Speaking of Finder foibles:

When is Finder going to be smart enough to realize that when I Cmd-I with a group of files selected I want to act on the files as a group, and I don't want it to bring up 400 Inspector windows.

Is it that hard to do? iTunes asks you if you want to act on your selection as a group if you have more than one file selected. Just duplicate that behaviour

That whole inspector window needs a huge revamp in terms of functionality, at least in this respect.
code:
Control - Command - I
Does a multi inspect window.
code:
Alt - Command - I
Brings up a pallet, changing to what you select.

Those have been around for ages, but yeah, I do agree that it should be an option.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

So, despite all the belly-achin' I've been doing in my spare time about Xcode, this new release (at least, as far as I am aware) installs Git for you! Hooray, no more having to Homebrew that package. Not that it's a big deal, but it's nice to have it installed via an official method.

Also, this natural scrolling has infected my brain. I've had to go and modify my Ubuntu machine to have it as well: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/...ubuntu-os-lion/

Overall, after getting used to the weirdness, Lion is pretty good. I'm anxiously awaiting 10.7.1 and 10.7.2 for much needed fixes to little(big) things.

unruly fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jul 31, 2011

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Martytoof posted:

Oh whoah, thanks a million. That (first one) should be the default behaviour
I agree, though I do feel like if you have the inspect button on your toolbar, the pallet should be the default. That thing is so handy when paging through a list of logs or other otherwise unidentifiable source code.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Ziir posted:

Why are my signatures so big when I send mail from Mail? I didn't notice it until a friend asked me why I made my font for my signature so big compared to my messages. It doesn't look this way in Mail, but does in Gmail (as shown below). Is it just a problem with Gmail?


This has happened since at least 10.6. It's annoying, but I'm not sure how to fix it. It's really not that big a deal, though, since I never see it

quote:

Also, my keyboard shortcut (cmd+\) for 1Password in Safari seems to have broken. It still works in Chrome though. How do I bring it back?
Update 1Password, there was a fix/update for the Safari plugin. If that doesn't immediately work, remove it in the prefs, then re-add it.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

KingEup posted:

I found this really handy website on all the new Lion things:

http://mac.finerthingsin.com/

e.g.

http://mac.finerthingsin.com/post/7...rom-any-side-or
Also: If you use the shift or option/alt keys, it changes the behavior. Shift causes the window to grow proportionally in all directions, whereas the alt/option key causes it to resize proportionally only on the axis that you're dragging on (i.e.: left-right, etc).

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Sigma posted:

I leave iTunes on its own full screen these days, but sometimes when I wake my mac mini, it does this:


That happens with any full screen app that, for whatever reason, gets resized (Safari will do that too, if you show/hide the status bar). It drives me insane. I hope they fix it soon.

Ziir posted:

Updated 1Password, didn't fix it. Removed the Safari extension and reinstalled it. Still no dice .
You can also check out their forms, as with any update, 1Password is usually on the ball, but I've had issues with the Chrome extension before. Their forums are usually pretty helpful in solving 99% of the problems.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

FCKGW posted:

I have the dock on the left and that's not the behavior I'm seeing. Fullscreen mode works properly for me.
When it happens to me, it seems pretty random, and only really with iTunes -- so it may just be that. Though window resizing seems to be a problem regardless of app. MacVIM will exhibit similar behavior if you close enough buffers to remove the tab bar.

It might just be up to the app developer

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

fleshweasel posted:

Is there any reason that this "Keyboard and Characters viewer" icon would spontaneously appear in my menu bar?



edit: when I unchecked the box to display it, a US flag popped up in its place for language & text preferences. wtf?
Yeah, I dunno how it happened, but that happened to me not too long ago. I wasn't entering anything special. Hmmm. It doesn't seem to be triggered by the iOS-esque key-hold for more options, either...

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

vanjalolz posted:

Once I install Lion from the app store, can I pull the image from a cache somewhere to save from having to download it again on other computers? Where does lion from the app store download to?
Yes, there is a DMG inside the downloaded app. It's downloaded to /Applications.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

vanjalolz posted:

Thought so, definitely too late for me then.
You can redownload the package. I think you click the 'Installed' button while holding Option/Alt... someone in this thread already posted the instructions.

Doing that will let you redownload the app and extract the DMG file.

quote:

So whats the deal with the new smb implementation in OSX Lion? Apparently its called SMBX? Anyone noticed any differences? I'm having trouble mounting a solaris samba share now and I'm not sure if its related to the new smb client.
if they're still using SMB Protocol 1, then good luck; have fun. The new SMB client only talks SMB2, much to many people's dismay when using an old, un-patched NAS.

Windows 7, 2008 (and Vista?) all try and talk on SMB2, but will default back to 1 -- Samba clients used to only talk SMB1. I think since 3.x (and GPLv3) Samba talks SMB2 by default.

unruly fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Aug 2, 2011

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Don Lapre posted:

Just FYI, you can use macports and install Samba3 and get smb1 back. You have to configure it manually though through the smb.conf file.
Yeah, I would only do this if you need SMB1 support. SMB2 is such a huge improvement on the protocol that it's silly to not use it when you can.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Krakkles posted:

My bone-stock XP shares have been working fine with Lion, so I'd assume XP does as well.
Yeah, I did more research on this and it turns out that Lion's "SMBX" actually supports SMB1. Maybe. Kindof.

It's not really clear.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Zenostein posted:

Out of curiosity, if you disable versioning, do you get Save and Save as… back? Or do you still have to do the duplicate/export song and dance if you want to save something with a different name or whatever?
I'm not sure that you can disable it. You can disable app restoring, but versioning is built into the app you're using.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Dr Rotcod posted:

I'm gonna reword my predicament simply cause this has been driving me crazy all day.

I need an application that will list all of the file contents(NO FOLDERS) of a directory, analyze that against the file contents of another directory and then give me the unique files that are contained in each. I do NOT care about the directory structure contained in either of the parent directories.

Seriously, it's so simple you'd think this would exist but every folder comparison application that exists thinks that identical files that are contained in different folders AREN'T identical, even though all of the metadata is the same. I can't stress enough how much I only care about the FILE contents within a parent directory. Anything you guys know of that could help would be greatly appreciated.
I dunno, dump a `tree` output of both disks, and run `uniq` or diff on them?

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

TheState posted:

Why is this pointless?
I think it's because of the appearance of high memory usage, where some of that may be unreleased RAM that, if needed, would be reclaimed by the system. Further, the process model for Safari has changed to be more like Chrome -- incurring a larger memory footprint due to having to have a full process amount of RAM allocated per tab.

Memory usage really is one of those issues that should come down to a non-issue these days. RAM is cheap and plentiful, and the systems in place are largely managing it better than any user can/could -- especially with caching and this new process management system going on.

Plus, really? Is it every year that a new browser version comes out and someone has to raise the RAM usage question like it's still a serious problem? Most of the time it has to do with loaded plugins, extensions, page elements and all sorts of other poo poo that really can't be reproduced on any other machine. It's all anecdotal.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

TheState posted:

Thanks for the first part of your answer, and I realize that it's all anecdotal, but this is a machine I don't have control over getting upgrades for, so RAM being cheap and plentiful means jack poo poo for me. All I know is that my computer crawled to a halt for no obvious (to me, I'm just looking at system monitor because I don't know what else to look at) reason beyond two tabs in Safari and a few other apps that aren't really doing a whole bunch.

It's a new OS and I was wondering if there were similar experiences. Don't answer the question if you guys don't want to. We're not all as well versed in RAM reclamation, so yeah, it's a question that's going to come up.
Sorry, I guess there was some pent up passive-aggressivness in that answer, having given it more times than I'd care to remember.

So, I do understand your plight, it's not an easy one to solve. On RAM starved machines, you might have a point where reclamation might not happen often enough or grab enough to quench the thirst.

Like you said, too, that Lion introduces a lot of new components (especially new process management) and they may not have hammered out all the problems with lower end machines, or machines who are under spec'd for their roles. Hopefully a round of patches will start smoothing out the raw edges of the system and get this boat back into the stable-ish territory that was Snow Leopard.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Ein posted:

So, I'm asking for a friend uuuhm, if I want to go from PC to a new MacBook Pro using Office 2011 connecting to Exchange with Outlook wouldn't be a problem right?

How about connecting to network shares or connecting to a Windows domain, how would that be handled?
Your experience will largely be a non-issue. Other than adapting to some conventions, you should be okay. I haven't yet tried joining a Lion machine to a domain for authentication, I have (and do) connect to domain-authenticated resources all the time.

E: f;b

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Ahh, I love a good reactionary piece: http://tidbits.com/e/12398

OH NOES, MAH WINDOWSSS



The problem Apple is trying to solve is user process management. We're getting to the point in the game where you can have dozens upon dozens of applications open, all with their own windows and stuff in them. In previous incarnations of the OS you, mentally, had to manage what was open/running and what you should quit.

Now, when an application is truly not being used, the system can quietly spin it down to consume less resources, or process handles or what have you. You, the user, don't have to think about process management. You don't have to think about it on your phones, why should your desktop suddenly be any different? Furthermore, if you really [i]do[/] need it, it's state is saved and with one or two clicks you're right back to where you were again, sometimes you might not even realize you've left the application.

Yes, there are bugs and edge cases where this isn't going to work perfectly. Those rules can be tweaked, interfaces can change (I agree with some of the commenters that the icon should stay in the cmd-tab/dock for a bit -- perhaps fade out?). The thing that irks me though is when people whine and complain about 'the new' without really understanding the focus behind it.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

wolffenstein posted:

They're awful because they don't use any application already included with OS X (You want irssi? Let's download and compile our own version of Perl for an hour). This can waste a lot of space.

The other big problem is they have only certain people in charge of updating packages. With Homebrew, everyone can submit a formula, and the author updates Homebrew all the time. If you need to wrie a formula, it's really easy even if you haven't seen Ruby.
This. Homebrew takes the approach of not building EVERYTHING and using stock applications/libraries when possible *SHOCK*.

Plus, building your own brew is quite easy. Just write a ruby script describing the install process (or just copy someone else's) then run: brew install /path/to/script.rb

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

NotShadowStar posted:

They are literal ports of Gentoo Ports or the dpkg system and all the poo poo that comes with it. As stated they require their own compiled versions of apps, so installing one installs a huge chain that isn't necessary. Also the dpkg system is just loving awful. Resolving a chain of dependencies is generally nightmare both installing and uninstalling. More often than not when I'm helping someone with some bizarre OSS issue I ask 'do you have MacPorts/Fink' and the answer is usually 'yes'. Removing MacPorts/Fink and using the Homebrew version always does the trick.

As stated Homebrew is built specifically for OSX. That means it uses the /usr/local structure that was designated for this sort of thing. Homebrew will never compete with OSX provided anything and will link against OSX provided libraries instead of having a huge chain of cross compiling that sends things into dependency hell like Ports.

Finally it's just a whole lot simpler. People generally migrate from Windows or Linux to OSX simply because the OS structure and UI is a lot cleaner. Homebrew follows that idea and is a whole lot simpler and less error prone.

tl;dr Use Homebrew, don't think about it.
Just a caveat. There are some duplicates in Homebrew that compete with various system-provided items, but they have a policy against doing that if at all possible. There is actually even a Homebrew-alt repo basically full of system tools that have been updated, in case you need them (like rsync, or samba).

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

SimpleCoax posted:

Ok, I'm going to try Homebrew. Thanks for the explanations.

edit: How well does gcc do in Homebrew? The entire reason I even use MacPorts is for fortran.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'well'?

In the homebrew repo, there is gfortran

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Ziir posted:

Which would first find what X is, then (for louder) enter the command "osascript -e "set Volume X+0.5"

It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to do but I'm quite busy at the moment so I can't really look into it. Has anyone one else done something similar (or alternatively is there a different way to do this)?
Sorry, I misread what you said -- you can get the current volume level by running:
code:
osascript -e "output volume of (get volume settings)"
That returns a number to which you can then check to see if it's between 0 and 100, then increment/de-increment accordingly.

unruly fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Aug 11, 2011

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

ndrake posted:

Anyone else notice this lion bug? When I have full screen apps running (safari, iTunes), and quit a program on my primary desktop (say, word) it automatically moves me to full screen safari. It's driving me crazy, every time I quit an app it moves me off of my primary desktop even though I have multiple other things running there (powerpoint, stata, etc).

I don't recall any other version of OSX since I started with 10.3 shipping with so many bugs. I'm sure everyone else is enjoying the wifi bug. How do you break that??
Wifi bug? I'm not having any of these issues.

Edit: ^ Yeah, I'm not seeing that problem at all. Wifi is working like a champ, even with WPA2 Enterprise.

unruly fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Aug 12, 2011

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

Been building printer scripts for our students here. Interesting change from 10.6 to 10.7 -- when needing to authenticate against a shared Windows printer (on a domain, in our case) in 10.6, you had to use the "DOMAIN\username" format for the username. In 10.7, now samba-less, it uses the domain your authenticating against -- so you use "username" (no domain prefix or @<domain> stuff) as your username.

Better, but had me pulling out my hair for a while...

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

brc64 posted:

I asked about this in the hardware thread, but maybe it's more of a software question, I don't know. What does everybody think of the Time Capsule? Specifically, is Time Machine poo poo, awesome, or merely okay? And how much flexibility is there when configuring the wireless? Is it pretty barebones, or do they have some advanced options like static dhcp leases and port forwarding?
Time Capsule is pretty awesome. It's a decent router with some good options. I don't have mine in front of me right now (at work) but I believe it does have static DHCP leasing. I do know that it does have port forwarding.

I need to clean mine out and get my backups going again, but its been pretty seamless since I got it.

unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

computer parts posted:

Is it normal for iTunes to freeze for a second when Time Machine is starting to backup files?
It's normal for most actions to skip, slow down or pause. It's doing a mount of the Time Machine backup device, and if you have a slow disk (or if it's over the network), the filesystem has to wait for it.

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unruly
May 12, 2002

YES!!!

ZeeBoi posted:

Man, loving Agile Bits removing the contextual menu item for 1Password in Firefox is so annoying. I know it'll come back eventually, but still.
It's from the new extension system that Firefox is pushing everyone toward. It's more in-line with webkit extensions, but apparently needs more hooks. I'm a curmudgeon and use the toolbar icon

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