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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Kobayashi posted:

I am ridiculously excited for Lion. My first OSX upgrade experience.

I think I am going to copy my home directory an external USB drive and re-install Snow Leopard from scratch, just so I can experience things the way Steve intended me to.

It's like Christmas everyday.

SWP just said that you should be able to burn the Lion DMG to a disc and do a clean install with that. I'd hold off before you go reinstalling everything.

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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I was all stoked to install it on a machine at work before I play around with my own Mac but then I realized that I have no idea how to buy it for the enterprise.

Guess I have to make some phone calls. How are other companies handling it?

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Got an answer from the official Apple supplier of our university.

Me: Hey, how can I purchase Lion for the machines we have here?
Her: We don't know yet.

Thanks.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Shin-chan posted:

I've already discussed this with my Edu reps a few weeks ago. If you are part of the AELP program, you'll be covered for installations on any computers that are part of the program. How you acquire Lion is up in the air, but once you do, you can use the disk image trick and use it to install or make images from and deploy it out to the remainder of your computers.

If you aren't part of AELP, you'll need to get AELP setup.

http://images.apple.com/education/p...cation_AELP.pdf

I'm not sure how it will work for Enterprise yet, I'm just getting in to that today.

Ooh interesting. I'll email the Apple Rep and see what he says about that. Thanks!

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Shin-chan posted:

I've already discussed this with my Edu reps a few weeks ago. If you are part of the AELP program, you'll be covered for installations on any computers that are part of the program. How you acquire Lion is up in the air, but once you do, you can use the disk image trick and use it to install or make images from and deploy it out to the remainder of your computers.

If you aren't part of AELP, you'll need to get AELP setup.

http://images.apple.com/education/p...cation_AELP.pdf

I'm not sure how it will work for Enterprise yet, I'm just getting in to that today.

Ah, apparently there's a volume licensing option on the Apple Store. It's discounted (for us, pretty heavily) per license and you get a download code for the App Store. You can then put it on however many machines you bought licenses for.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

The Kins posted:

I'm going to be getting the new Macbook Air (my first Mac!) on the weekend, and I'm wondering if there's anything I really should get at the same time. What sort of apps would you guys consider must-have for an OSX newcomer?

Also, from what I understand, iWork doesn't come with new Macs like iLife does, and I'll be typing lots of lecture notes that I'd like to be able to read in Word 2007 on PC. What should I choose to get, iWork or Office 2011?

Depends heavily on what you want with it / where you're coming from. If you are a Windows user, TotalFinder rocks your world.

As far as iWork, yes, it's a separate package. It reads Office docs just fine, but it won't save them if I remember correctly.

Personally, I like them just fine for casual use, but if you're going to be doing heavy spreadsheet stuff, or having to do a lot of file exchanging with office apps, it's probably best to just get Office.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

coldplay chiptunes posted:

Still...



Oh screw you. I had a moment of where I was trying to figure out why that was popping up on my Windows machine.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

TheState posted:

I wondered the same thing. Anyone know?

Download it again?

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

decypher posted:

No. you can't buy Lion, or anything else in the Mac AppStore, twice. You can buy once and re-download as many times as you like.

Your purchase of Lion from the AppStore allows you to install it on 5 separate machines as many times as you'd like.

That ARStechnica review said you can install it on all the Macs you own, and up to two VMs per machine.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I guess I'm simple. Of all of the things in Lion, I love the Andromeda desktop background the most.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Haggins posted:

I've had this MPB I'm using since 2008 and I've never done a clean install. I bought lion this morning but I'm waiting to finish up some photos for a client tonight before I install it.

Is it worth it to do a clean install? If so, what would be the best way of doing so? I have a time machine backup and a TB free on an external drive that I can utilize.

As to if - it's up to you. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea if you've never re-slammed it before. As to how, that is answered probably twice each page of this thread (and is the third post).

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Jenova Project posted:

What I'm hearing is that it has iPhone scrolling by default? This is good news, but I already bought Hyperdock... Oh well. It's not counterintuitive at all if you're using a laptop or a desktop with a trackpad.

It's really not. If you wanted to see the bottom of a piece of paper in front of you, would you push up on it? or push down?


you'd push up

Once you get that in your head it makes perfect sense.

(I had to do this way back in IBM terminal days)

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Rabble posted:

Also, "don't go lion to yourself...you need to upgrade to lion. Don't get left out in the snow like a leper-d. "

I saw an official ad somewhere that said "Hail to the King, Baby" and I nearly choked laughing. I can't remember where I saw it now, though.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Dan Hollis posted:

I've yet to see a solution, and it defeats the purpose of a launchpad for me.

Can't you just put the stuff you don't use in a folder, and arrange the stuff you use a lot to the first screen? it's a lot like an iPad screen - removing stuff would kind of defeat the purpose of Launchpad.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Accipiter posted:

What does this do for you?



There's also an iTunes thread lurking about with some tools to do this, but I can't remember what they were. Might want to go look for that thread.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Krakkles posted:

Parallels Desktop is doing this, also, and Force Quitting didn't resolve. Tried updating and everything. This is really annoying ... why would Apple release something this loving buggy?

I guess I don't understand your issue. Parallels, an App that already has known issues in Lion is having problems, and you blame Apple? Maybe that's why SWSP is being hard on you?

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

He's having Finder issues as well, which implies something bigger is screwed up with his system.

Ahhh I see.


MZ posted:

Just sayin' I don't see the point of launchpad, oh and the inverted scrolling thing by default?

It just seems a lot of development put into something to make OSX more seamless for iPhone/iPad users.

Well at least we're getting an OpenGL update, even though its only 3.2.

By the way I'm really not a 'Mainstream user who hates change'.

My pet theory is that we will see the next generation of MacBooks (well, Pro I guess ) with a touchscreen and maybe the ability to fold it back like a tablet. Apple is slowly bringing the features of iOS and OSX together to support this.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

DirtyWorker posted:

Apple has refuted this so many times now. They will never make a computer with a touch screen as holding your hand out to touch the screen would kill you after 10 minutes. :P

Edit: Mr. Jobs said “We’ve done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn’t work. Touch surfaces don’t want to be vertical. It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn’t work, it’s ergonomically terrible. Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads.”

Errr. Right. That's why I mentioned laptops, and the ability to turn the screen around like a tablet and not iMacs.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it makes sense to me for a portable computing device, and the success of the iPad kind of points that way. I know Apple maintains that the iPad and laptops are separate, but vv

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Petey posted:

So I'm going to do a clean install because I have a ton of old apps and cruft built up from my SL install.

I know that I can burn a DVD from the DMG; however, if I just download Lion and doubleclick the app, will I have the option to erase drive & clean install? Or must I go the DVD route?

No, you have to boot off a disc (or USB I guess) to wipe the system. Do you really expect to be able to wipe a system while it's running?

I also did an in-place upgrade off the .dmg, so that will be nice for doing multiple machines.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

On a 2008 Macbook or a '11 i7 MBP, I don't see issues like that, so I doubt it's a general responsiveness issue.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

IUG posted:

I have a question about Lion that is also somewhat hardware related, so I think I'm going to cross post this.

My CEO has the newest MacBook Pro, and he uses it in the office. At his desk he has an external monitor that he hooks up to his computer, and he uses that instead. Before Lion he would power up the computer, close the screen to get the image on the second monitor, and then open the screen a bit for "ventilation".

I don't know how much of this is true, but he's afraid of it overheating with the screen closed entirely. However, with Lion just opening the monitor slightly wakes up that display. He doesn't want two monitors, but is also afraid of heat death of the computer.

Is there a way to turn off the MacBook Pro's screen? Right now the solution is to change the arrangement, and put the menu bar on top of the Samsung monitor, but when you put the Dock at the bottom of the screen it goes to the bottom of the MacBook's screen, under the external, in a monitor that's only open at a 15 degree angle. I had to put his dock on the left of the screen, which he dislikes. I need to restore this to it's default behavior of turning off the Macbook's screen when the external monitor is plugged in.

Another question would be if I turned on display mirroring, would it use the higher-res of the Samsung monitor? If it mirrors with black space that doesn't help either.

Just convince him to close it. It won't burn up.

As far as the mirroring display resolution, it will dumb down to whatever is the lowest common denominator.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Krakkles posted:

So I couldn't create the Lion disc because my system removed the installer after it installed. I put in my SL DVD and held down C, got to the bootup, ran disk utility, and erased/reformatted my drive.

Now I'm getting this, and I have no idea what to do:



The third post in the thread tells you how to get Lion if you'd already downloaded it.


Ziploc posted:

Can I upgrade Lion from a home made Lion boot disk?

Yep. just did it yesterday. Just run the .dmg. It will ask if you want to upgrade.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Ziploc posted:

Run the InstallESD.dmg?

Yep.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Might want to put the Lion Compatibility Table in the first posts somewhere? http://roaringapps.com/apps:table

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

This thread is awesome in a completely unintended way. A friend on Facebook upgraded to Lion and he has all the exact same reactions to it as a lot of people in this thread, and I get to reply to him and tell him he's dumb (because I've already seen the answers here).

Him: No more free-space in Finder? APPLE!
Me: Turn on the status bar you dork.


Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

I put Lion on my 13" Macbook Pro right before I bought my new Mini to replace it. I'm not sure why I did that, but that's neither here nor there.

Anyways, if I do a clean install of Lion on my MBP, is it associated with my Apple ID at all? How should I prepare this thing to sell to someone? Just do a clean install of Snow Leopard and let them deal with it?

Lion is not serialized, so it just depends on how much effort you want to put into it.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Asnorban posted:

I have a Macbook from 2008 and am considering putting Lion on it. Is there any reason I shouldn't? Someone posted earlier that their laptop seems to run hotter with Lion, and I don't want it to overheat, but I think fullscreen would be really good for web browsing since the screen is so small on this.

I've also got a Macbook 4,1 and I really like Lion on it so far. You won't be able to do the fancy new gestures with your trackpad, but it sure seems peppier to me. Doesn't seem to get any hotter, and it doesn't run the fan anymore than it did with SL. I think the battery life is a little reduced, but I grant that could also be my imagination.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Xandu posted:

Stupid question, but is there a list of what all the keyboard shortcut codes mean anywhere?

Especially ^, the white up arrow, and one that I can't even figure out how to describe.

Here you go: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Parallels currently has some issues, yeah.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Is there someplace to add to the autocomplete dictionary? I don't mind it, but I hate how it fights me over SA smileys.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Terpfen posted:

Same way as in Snow Leopard: right-click the word, select Learn Spelling.

Holy poo poo, I feel really dumb.

e: In my defense it's kind of a PITA to do it on the iPad.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

moms pubis posted:

That's fine as long as I won't have to upgrade all of those machines to Snow Leopard first. Thanks.

It doesn't say anything about 'upgrades' in relation to SL, so you're fine.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Petey posted:

Does anyone know if the "can't share wireless to ethernet unless your Mac has 192.168.2.1" bug is still accurate and, if so, whether there is a workaround?

There have been no updates to Lion, so the bug must still be there.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Dan Hollis posted:

How come I never had this issue before Lion? The whole purpose of private browsing for me is to not have people see the poo poo I read and see here on Something Awful (and porn of course.)

And it still does that! You just have to login again.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

mllaneza posted:

Yeah, pretty much. I bet there was a senior UX designer who has always been annoyed at Save As... Either you're duplicating it and changing the file name, which should be done in the Finder, or you're changing file format, which is technically an Export. I hate purists sometimes, but this is ok. Save As... is most commonly used for versioning, which is now built in to 10.7 apps, so it's redundant.

They left Save As... in Keynote, so they aren't abandoning the concept anyway.

Really? So I should be closing the doc that I'm working on, going to Finder, finding my doc, copying the file, changing the name, going back into the document again and keep working?

All instead of hitting Save as... when I'm right loving there already?

unix guys.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

mllaneza posted:

I don't think so, but I'm saying there's probably some dude at Apple who's thinking exactly that.

Oh I see, sorry I misread your post.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

I like it because I may have a ton of poo poo open and an upgrade pops up and wants to reboot, and I don't have to worry about losing my place on what I was doing.

Also Lion will claim the memory back just like iOS devices do once programs start getting updated to support it.

And why does everyone say the dots aren't under running programs in finder, my machine has them.

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

So I found this and I made it my Win7 Desktop background because I'm like that.

Thought others might enjoy it.

http://wyseworld.wordpress.com/2011...t-wwdc-keynote/

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

Try a clean install.

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Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

dexter6 posted:

Has anybody had any weird trash problems after upgrading to Lion?

Trash seems to take forever to empty, and sometimes it just seems to hang and never empty some files. Now even moving files to trash takes some time.

Thoughts?

Do you have safe delete turned on? Mine was taking forever until I turned it off. I suppose I could turn it back on but, meh. Whole disk encryption is good enough for a personal machine.

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