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Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Iíve never seen a Mac with a hardshell that didnít develop scratches and scuffs from debris trapped underneath the hardshell.

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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


Ok Comboomer posted:

Iíve never seen a Mac with a hardshell that didnít develop scratches and scuffs from debris trapped underneath the hardshell.

Depends how filthy you live. Also the Incase 'dots' hardshell does not have full contact on the inner surface. It's a bunch of raised dots which means any debris can live in the valleys and not grind up against the chassis. YMMV.

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Shaocaholica posted:

Depends how filthy you live. Also the Incase 'dots' hardshell does not have full contact on the inner surface. It's a bunch of raised dots which means any debris can live in the valleys and not grind up against the chassis. YMMV.

My mileage over 13 years of owning MacBooks tells me that hardshells are decidedly not for my use case. Maybe if I was doing fieldwork and was popping my laptop on rocks or something

funkymonks
Aug 31, 2004



Pillbug

Very disappointed with the trade in process on my old MacBook Air. I got quoted $350 which Apple then revised to $80 after receiving the device due to hardware configuration differences. Like what the gently caress apple I gave you the serial number how do you not know what the hardware config is?

Well gently caress them I'm making them send it back.

enojy
Sep 11, 2001

bass rattle
stars out
the sky



Daniel Bryan posted:

iMacs are good but lol imagine Apple caring about their desktop line in tyool 2020

I love what they've done with the Mac Pro and the standalone displays, and would love to use both, but that poo poo is just not priced for the consumer market at all.

enojy fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 21, 2020

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


I wonder if the coming ARM age will be when Apple finally just release a Mac to go alongside the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro.

Bring back the Cube you cowards

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Fedule posted:

I wonder if the coming ARM age will be when Apple finally just release a Mac to go alongside the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro.

Bring back the Cube you cowards

Apple hasnít done a proper Mac ďfor the fansĒ in a long rear end time. Although I guess the Mac Pro/iMac Pro technically count. Especially the MP, buying that for your house is basically buying a named piece of furniture art from Ive and Co. Trashcan was definitely that idea.

Ok so I take it back.

The MP/iMac Pro are priced where special edition macs historically were. Wasnít the 20th Anniv Mac like $7k in 1997?

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000



Any opinions on MacBook sleeves? The Incase PerformaKnit Sleeve looks an interesting option as you can still see the MacBook inside. Alternative choice would be the Native Union slim sleeve, the one without a zipper. $10 to add a zipper is surprising.

I have a lovely gash in the corner of my current MacBook as it had no protection in a backpack when non-delicately placed on the ground. Would like to avoid that experience again in the future, I travel a lot, different bags and containers. I'm not really looking to carry a gigantic backpack in the wonderful temperatures in HK where I usually stay half the year.

edit: $180 for Apple's leather sleeve.

MrMoo fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 21, 2020

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


JFC $60 for that laptop sock? Maybe get a better backpack?

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



MrMoo posted:

Any opinions on MacBook sleeves? The Incase PerformaKnit Sleeve looks an interesting option as you can still see the MacBook inside. Alternative choice would be the Native Union slim sleeve, the one without a zipper. $10 to add a zipper is surprising.

I have a lovely gash in the corner of my current MacBook as it had no protection in a backpack when non-delicately placed on the ground. Would like to avoid that experience again in the future.

Ok Comboomer posted:

Herschel Anchor sleeve is my go-to for iPad and MacBook of all kinds. Prices range from $15-$40 depending on where youíre buying, when, whether the specific pattern is on sale, etc.

Itís nice and plushy and lined with fake fur on the inside.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


MrMoo posted:

Any opinions on MacBook sleeves? The Incase PerformaKnit Sleeve looks an interesting option as you can still see the MacBook inside. Alternative choice would be the Native Union slim sleeve, the one without a zipper. $10 to add a zipper is surprising.

Booq Mamba

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


LionArcher posted:

Iím the weird geek mad that the keyboard that comes with a Mac pro is a different space Grey than the one you can buy separately. I want space grey Mac mini,(and keyboard) and an XDR on a vesa mount
The Mac Pro keyboard isn't space gray at all

existential anger posted:

I'm not familiar with Macs and the internet in general likes to give conflicting answers. I'm going to ask a few probably stupid questions here:
  • How much RAM is sufficient for Mac OS if the most you're going to do at once is have Safari with ~10 tabs, a few PDF documents, some sort of audio player and Microsoft Excel open at the same time?
  • I'm looking at the base Macbook Air, is a 10th gen i3 sufficient in this day and age? Just how hot/noisy does the thing get when web browsing/word processing/watching video? I don't care about render benchmarks, I will never do that sort of thing.
  • If 16gb of RAM is required, the price difference between a base 2020 Macbook Pro (two TB3 ports) with 16gb of RAM is $1984 AUD compared to $1709 AUD for the 2020 i3 Macbook Air with 16gb of RAM. Is there any reason why I would not opt for the Macbook Pro considering it has a better active cooling solution, two extra cores and the touch bar?
That workflow is probably fine with the i3/8GB, i5/16GB upgrades would be primarily future proofing thing there.

For the MBA vs MBP, not sure the difference in cooling would really matter matter for your use case, a little less battery life, and well, there's still a price difference even if it's not that much. If you want two more cores that can be done with the MBA's i5 upgrade and still end up cheaper than the MBP. And Touch Bar isn't for everyone.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade



I still wish they would offer the Touch Bra as an option, not as a feature. But then you'd see 90% of everyone get the nTB over the TB. IMHO it doesn't do poo poo for anything except editing workflows in FCP specifically and wastes power that could be going to battery life.

Apple still doesn't give Macs the love they deserve, although the 4-port 13-inch rMBP 2020 is a step in the right direction.

iPhone: let's cram in the best drat 12 megapixel camera we can source from Sony, and give it super software support right in the OS, throw in poo poo like bokeh and Night Mode, and fine tune it for anyone who wants good results from their stevephone

MacBook Air/Pro: just give them the same drat camera that was state of the art in 2012 that you could get free with a tank of gas, let them buy a friggin' Logitech USB camera if they don't want to look like a cyber hobo on Zoom

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

This post is good to go


Binary Badger posted:

MacBook Air/Pro: just give them the same drat camera that was state of the art in 2012 that you could get free with a tank of gas, let them buy a friggin' Logitech USB camera if they don't want to look like a cyber hobo on Zoom

How many people even used the cameras before 3 months ago?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

aaaaaaaaaa
AAAAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!



Do any other laptop manufacturers put good webcams in their laptops? I honestly haven't seen it as anything more than a bullet point, even the flagship XPS and Thinkpad lines have bog standard 720p webcams.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


I've made this joke before and it was only half a joke then, too; Apple could add a physical function row as a BTO option on MBPs and charge £Ä$50 for it and reap a harvest of cashmoney.

SourKraut
Nov 20, 2005

POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION

FCKGW posted:

Do any other laptop manufacturers put good webcams in their laptops? I honestly haven't seen it as anything more than a bullet point, even the flagship XPS and Thinkpad lines have bog standard 720p webcams.

I'd rather have the ultra small 720p webcam on the XPS 13 2-in-1 I use for work, since it allowed it to have God's 16:10 resolution and narrow bezels.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



i prefer the lower res to hide my shameful face better

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

I really like the touch bar.

Better touch tool and the presets make it fantastic to use!

Pakistani Brad Pitt
Nov 28, 2004

Not as taciturn, but still terribly powerful...



Captain Apollo posted:

I really like the touch bar.

Better touch tool and the presets make it fantastic to use!

Can I ask what sort of stuff you use it for?

Captain Apollo
Jun 24, 2003

King of the Pilots, CFI

GoldenChaos is the presets I use.

Check it out here. I really love it.

Logic, YouTube, final cut, screen resizing, Dropbox I mean all of it


https://community.folivora.ai/t/gol...eplacement/1281

Gay Retard
Jun 7, 2003



Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:

Can I ask what sort of stuff you use it for?

I hide my dock, so I like to use a heavily customized GoldenChaos so I can quickly see if I have any new e-mails or texts, along with anyupcoming reminders and calendar entries. Being able to quickly view the temperature and upcoming forecast is pretty nice too, but admittedly, I've hidden most of the function buttons on the Touch Bar and just map them to Capslock + the first four rows of keys for blind one-handed use. Being able to hold down control and have the Touch Bar show a bunch of shortcuts that I don't remember the hotkeys for is pretty nice too.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




Is there a good thread, or website for vintage Macs? I have a 1998 iMac with OS 9.2 and want to see how far I can go with this computer with upgrading its ram, and hard drive space, and getting the internet working on it. So I am looking for a good resource for help and asking for advice.

Zenostein
Aug 15, 2008

Alhamdulillah-chan

I said come in! posted:

Is there a good thread, or website for vintage Macs? I have a 1998 iMac with OS 9.2 and want to see how far I can go with this computer with upgrading its ram, and hard drive space, and getting the internet working on it. So I am looking for a good resource for help and asking for advice.



Low End Mac is always a good starting point for that sort of thing.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


Bob Morales posted:

How many people even used the cameras before 3 months ago?

Just creepers

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT


I said come in! posted:

Is there a good thread, or website for vintage Macs? I have a 1998 iMac with OS 9.2 and want to see how far I can go with this computer with upgrading its ram, and hard drive space, and getting the internet working on it. So I am looking for a good resource for help and asking for advice.



A modified version of 10.4 should run on it.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



Zenostein posted:

Low End Mac is always a good starting point for that sort of thing.

Yes! They're great. Their Facebook page is pretty awesome for advice as well

https://www.facebook.com/groups/lowendmac/

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




I know, eww, reddit, but /r/vintageapple is pretty happening as subs for old electronics go.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004




Thank you for the advice! The first thing I am hoping to do is add the max amount of RAM that it'll allow, and a new hard drive with a lot more space, and then add the OS that is the best fit for its CPU and RAM. I was thinking of OS X, but that may actually be a bit much for this Macs hardware? Looking for opinions on that one. One of the things I want to be able to do though is have internet access, so I may need OSX.

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT


OS 9 will be the most optimal OS for it, and you can run Classilla.

Zenostein
Aug 15, 2008

Alhamdulillah-chan

My entirely arbitrary rule of thumb is to match the PPC G number to OS X's version number. So this G3 imac I have burried somewhere in the basement has 10.3, 10.4 on a cube, and 10.5 on a G4 ibook, because that's as high as it'll go and the ram's maxed on thatplus that's a g4/7450, so that almost fits the pattern.

I feel like my imac is a 300-something g3 and at least 128mb ram, 10.3 ran fine on it. Either way, your real problem is going to be software, especially for internet access. Since a lot of the web is on https, you're going to run into issues where old browsers won't have the right encryption types to actually work with anything. If you could get 10.4 running acceptably, you could use tenfourfox or dig around for the various projects that update webkit so safari's useable. But for anything less than 10.3 (including 9!), I think your only real option's going to be classillaÖ

Of course, if by internet access, you mean irc or something, you can ignore all of that.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009





Always makes me lol that the pinstripes-and-candy-colors iMac/iBook (and even the latter-day G3/G4 towers) were tailor-made aesthetically for OS X in its first couple of iterations, and that was the only set of computers that could not comfortably run those versions of OS X

Once the OS became acceptably performant, the hardware all became acrylic solid colors/chrome/black/white and exotic metals in direct opposition to the Aqua look-and-feel; and then finally the OS adopted the brushed-metal look just in time for the hardware to go all solid aluminum

Nice going Ive

Daniel Bryan
May 23, 2006

GOAT


The brushed metal look never jived with me. Even though it's a pain to use, I still like the look of Mac OS 9.

existential anger
Jun 4, 2012



I gave some entry level Macbook Airs and Pros a spin at the local retail store and I can't actually figure out who they're designed for. In actual usage (Safari with 10 tabs open, some PDFs of scanned sheet music open, Youtube video running in background, playing around with Finder), the experience feels worse than pre-Touchbar rMBPs that have been user upgraded in piecemeal over the years. I suspect the problem of constantly reloading content is due to insufficient RAM as it wasn't a problem on the 16" nor the New XPS 13" sitting on the table next to the Apple section.

With the ARM and miniLED rumours, its probably a smarter idea waiting and seeing what happens when Apple kicks Intel to the curb because I feel like an iPad Pro is a better experience than their base Macbooks for 90% of users.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


Grimey Drawer

They are for liberal arts college students that will just use it for writing essays and watching porn

screamin and creamin
Sep 15, 2003



existential anger posted:

entry level

can't actually figure out who they're designed for.

Entry level or base configuration computers/cars/anything exist so a company can advertise that they hit a low price point. They tend to be a lousy buy. I never buy anything in the base configuration, there's usually a config you can get for 20-30% more that's infinitely better because it removes a bottleneck that negatively affects performance (e.g., not enough memory) or a nuisance that forces you to janitor your machine all the time (SSD too small).

The reason they have them in the stores is because most people want the cheapest of everything, no matter the consequences.

(I fully realize that money is an issue for many. When I couldn't afford decently configured Macs, I bought decently configured (for Windows) Windows laptops.)

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Mu Zeta posted:

They are for liberal arts college students that will just use it for writing essays and watching porn

Hey man, not having to worry about most viruses in that context is a valuable thing

screamin and creamin posted:

(I fully realize that money is an issue for many. When I couldn't afford decently configured Macs, I bought decently configured (for Windows) Windows laptops.)

oh word?

Ok Comboomer fucked around with this message at 14:06 on May 24, 2020

well why not
Feb 9, 2009



existential anger posted:

I gave some entry level Macbook Airs and Pros a spin at the local retail store and I can't actually figure out who they're designed for. In actual usage (Safari with 10 tabs open, some PDFs of scanned sheet music open, Youtube video running in background, playing around with Finder), the experience feels worse than pre-Touchbar rMBPs that have been user upgraded in piecemeal over the years. I suspect the problem of constantly reloading content is due to insufficient RAM as it wasn't a problem on the 16" nor the New XPS 13" sitting on the table next to the Apple section.

With the ARM and miniLED rumours, its probably a smarter idea waiting and seeing what happens when Apple kicks Intel to the curb because I feel like an iPad Pro is a better experience than their base Macbooks for 90% of users.

they're for normies and i mean that entirely seriously and earnestly, with no contempt

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



was gonna say theyíre for your parents to buy and then use for 8 years

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cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002



Ok Comboomer posted:

was gonna say theyíre for your parents to buy and then use for 8 years
More like buy and leave on a shelf

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