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a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012


Holy carp thatís a lot of words. Thanks, I might give it a look it I might give up for now.

ĎIt just worksí

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Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




So company policy forced me onto 10.15.6. This has hosed the displaylink driver into being unable to drive the HDMI port on my dock at anything other than landscape. I need two portrait displays for my setup. Does anyone have thoughts/ideas? This has really messed with my workflow this last week.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through


Crunchy Black posted:

So company policy forced me onto 10.15.6. This has hosed the displaylink driver into being unable to drive the HDMI port on my dock at anything other than landscape. I need two portrait displays for my setup. Does anyone have thoughts/ideas? This has really messed with my workflow this last week.

tbh in this case i would reach out to the device maker and ask for support.

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



edit: deleted. Theres a software thread I'll relocate it to

duck monster fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Sep 1, 2020

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



edit: deleted

duck monster fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Sep 1, 2020

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Crunchy Black posted:

So company policy forced me onto 10.15.6. This has hosed the displaylink driver into being unable to drive the HDMI port on my dock at anything other than landscape. I need two portrait displays for my setup. Does anyone have thoughts/ideas? This has really messed with my workflow this last week.

Didja try downloading the latest DisplayLink Manager, v1.1, that was released on 8/20 to be compatible with Big Sur beta and 10.15?

https://www.displaylink.com/downloads/macos

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Welp, 2020 iMacs are being reported to have a GPU glitch that results in random lines across the screen.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251730390

Hopefully it's a driver issue and not a fault with the GPU itself..

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


Ok Comboomer posted:

Youíll need to do the trade in as its own separate transaction, receive an Apple gift card/balance, and then you can apply that balance to anything they sell like it was any other kind of store credit.

A couple of years ago, I traded in an old iPhone, got $150 for it, and used the balance to buy some Watch straps.

Going ahead with this scheme, thanks for alerting me to that possibility.

For some reason, they're offering £145 as the trade in value when I go via this route, as opposed to £125 if I try it against a new device. Profit?

Thinking I'll also sit on this for a while once I've got my credit until the September/October event happens. I don't think there's a very high chance of an A14 mini coming out alongside what seems to be an already fully packed reveal roster if the rumours are to be believed, but I don't have an urgent need of an iPad, and maybe I'll be tempted by one of the other offerings...

Shroud
May 11, 2009


Puppy Galaxy posted:

I haven't really heard anything good about Catalina


Ok Comboomer posted:

you’re missing a bad time

cool smart kids stick with Mojave



Appreciate the advice - thanks!

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Be advised that sticking with Mojave doesn't get you access to the latest versions of certain Apple apps (iMovie, for one) that now require Catalina.

At least the low bar for iWork (Keynote, Pages, Numbers) is still Mojave..

Catalina, for all intents and purposes, is a trashfire surrounded by raw sewage, at least as far as stability goes IMHO.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Welp, just in time to try to show up Apple..

https://9to5mac.com/2020/09/02/inte...-apple-silicon/

Intel announces Tiger Lake / 11th Generation chips that will likely never appear on Apple laptops now, the line they just announced will come out with other laptop brands and top off at 28W.

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.



Binary Badger posted:

Be advised that sticking with Mojave doesn't get you access to the latest versions of certain Apple apps (iMovie, for one) that now require Catalina.

At least the low bar for iWork (Keynote, Pages, Numbers) is still Mojave..

Catalina, for all intents and purposes, is a trashfire surrounded by raw sewage, at least as far as stability goes IMHO.
One other thing to consider is whether you still have any 32-bit applications because Catalina is 64-bit only.

My Catalina install actually hasnít been too bad but weíve had an absolute mountain of problems with it in general at work. Iím admittedly running it on a 2018 MBP rather than one of the new 16Ē ones and most of the people at work who had issues have 2020 MBPs so I halfway wonder if it isnít related to hardware as well.

From the testing weíve done on Big Sur at work itís shaping up to be a lot better already so hereís hoping it ends up that way.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004




Mercurius posted:

From the testing weíve done on Big Sur at work...

My work *just* let Catalina through!

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.



Pivo posted:

My work *just* let Catalina through!
Iím at a University and bunch of our academics will be banging on our doors so they can order any new Macs Apple release (that are Big Sur only after it comes out, naturally) the nanosecond theyíre available so we like to be ready for that .

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty


I'm thinking of getting a PC for gaming. Is there a simple way of combining that with the 2013 iMac I already have? Boot Camp isn't really an alternative because there's not enough juice in the iMac itself. Can I easily use the iMac as an external monitor for the PC? Or is the best (and, alas, the most expensive) solution to get both a PC and a monitor?

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007

THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE AVATAR SYSTEM IS TOXIC! But also we should bring back "callout threads".

The person buying you these isn't who you think, or someone you've ever interacted with, just someone who finds your posts insufferable.


Xabi posted:

I'm thinking of getting a PC for gaming. Is there a simple way of combining that with the 2013 iMac I already have? Boot Camp isn't really an alternative because there's not enough juice in the iMac itself. Can I easily use the iMac as an external monitor for the PC? Or is the best (and, alas, the most expensive) solution to get both a PC and a monitor?

What kind of iMac? Target Display Mode hasnít been a thing since they switched to retina displays.

Otherwise, yeah- your best bet is a separate monitor- or you can stream into your Mac, either something remote like GeForce Now or something that lets you stream in from your own PC (Steam link? That still a thing? Iím way out of the Steam loop)

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Pivo posted:

My work *just* let Catalina through!

Yeah I am to the point where it's just not worth the effort to finish rolling it out, we'll just skip up to Large Dude when it drops its .1 or .2 assuming it's not a dumpster fire.

ratbert90
Feb 12, 2009
JUST FUCKING STOP, JESUS H. CHRIST


Binary Badger posted:

Welp, just in time to try to show up Apple..

https://9to5mac.com/2020/09/02/inte...-apple-silicon/

Intel announces Tiger Lake / 11th Generation chips that will likely never appear on Apple laptops now, the line they just announced will come out with other laptop brands and top off at 28W.

So 18W than what Apples silicon will likely to use.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty


Ok Comboomer posted:

What kind of iMac? Target Display Mode hasnít been a thing since they switched to retina displays.
A plain old non-retina. Not sure if the iMac displays are any good for gaming though but I guess if should work fine for most games.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I used the display ripped out of a 2012 27" imac hooked up to my pc for years and it was good enough for me to log a billion hours of counterstrike on

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004



Ok Comboomer posted:

What kind of iMac? Target Display Mode hasnít been a thing since they switched to retina displays.

Otherwise, yeah- your best bet is a separate monitor- or you can stream into your Mac, either something remote like GeForce Now or something that lets you stream in from your own PC (Steam link? That still a thing? Iím way out of the Steam loop)

Yes, and its deeply unpleasant to use

Sent from my iPad
Jun 19, 2000



Thinking about switching from a RMBP to a 2020 iMac since I'm tired of CPU throttling, constant very high fan noise, and Bluetooth problems. I haven't bought a desktop Mac in over a decade, though, and was curious if anyone here had bought the i9 variant.

I'd rather not buy a 12 core Mac Pro since it's roughly 2x the cost of an i9 iMac for similar CPU performance, but given that Mac Pro towers have historically held their value so well is there a strong case to be made for buying one? The only real argument I can see for it is the upgradeable GPU, but I don't game and I'm not a video editor.

I'm planning on VESA mounting the iMac. Is it worth getting the VESA version, or is the resale generally way worse for those (and instead I should get a fugly adapter)?

How bad is the fan noise on the 2020 i9 5700 (XT or non-XT) model? And how bad is CPU throttling under sustained load? Since no tech reviewers know how to use anything other than their web browser and Geekbench I basically can't find anything about this outside of a handful of forums, and the fan noise reports there are all over the place.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

A 2012 is basically obsolete, especially in single core performance

There are a few cases where it could hang with a newer Mac as long as itís only 6 cores.

yoohoo
Nov 15, 2004
A little disrespect and rudeness can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day


So I've got an early 2013 MBPr that I'm getting rid of, but it has a completely busted display. I can't see anything on the screen except for a few flickers of light. I have it setup at the moment so it'll boot to a monitor. I just went to erase the hdd and doing the whole "hold command+R" thing my computer booted to the main display, not the monitor. I can't see anything and I'm not sure what to do. Is there any way I can reformat the hdd without a working display? I.e. have command+r boot to the monitor? I don't have a separate keyboard so I have to keep the lid open. I can get my hands on a keyboard relatively easy if that helps.

But this makes me wonder, once I get through the reformatting I think I'll need to reinstall the OS, and would my computer know to boot to the display? Or would it default back to the display and would I lose the bluetooth connection to the keyboard? Any tips would be helpful.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Sent from my iPad posted:

I'd rather not buy a 12 core Mac Pro since it's roughly 2x the cost of an i9 iMac for similar CPU performance, but given that Mac Pro towers have historically held their value so well is there a strong case to be made for buying one? The only real argument I can see for it is the upgradeable GPU, but I don't game and I'm not a video editor.

Unless there's some nifty PCIe card with Mac support that you want to get later, just get the iMac. At this point it's kinda hard to make a case for a huge single CPU (but multicore) Mac desktop tower machine other than to make Tim Apple richer.

quote:

I'm planning on VESA mounting the iMac. Is it worth getting the VESA version, or is the resale generally way worse for those (and instead I should get a fugly adapter)?

Probably better than non-VESA iMacs.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Them G5 macs aint worth piss right now. Same thing gonna happen when its nothing but Apple processors.

tuyop
Sep 14, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

Ok Comboomer posted:

What kind of iMac? Target Display Mode hasnít been a thing since they switched to retina displays.

Otherwise, yeah- your best bet is a separate monitor- or you can stream into your Mac, either something remote like GeForce Now or something that lets you stream in from your own PC (Steam link? That still a thing? Iím way out of the Steam loop)

There's also Parsec and Rainway. They work better than Steam Link imo.

Sent from my iPad
Jun 19, 2000



Binary Badger posted:

Probably better than non-VESA iMacs.
This is excellent to know. Thank you!

well why not
Feb 9, 2009



co-worker has a work-provided 2014 mac mini we don't have the PIN or firmware password for. how can i reinstall macOS and stop the whingeing?

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007

THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE AVATAR SYSTEM IS TOXIC! But also we should bring back "callout threads".

The person buying you these isn't who you think, or someone you've ever interacted with, just someone who finds your posts insufferable.


redeyes posted:

Them G5 macs aint worth piss right now. Same thing gonna happen when its nothing but Apple processors.

If you plan on also having a PC, a high end iMac with bootcamp is probably one of the best options youíre gonna have unless you want two different displays. I imagine theyíll be popular for a bit, at least five years. A lot of people wonít be ready to switch, or wonít trust the new hardware, or have a thing about ďfirst genĒ so 2023 is the earliest weíll start seeing real mainstreaming of Apple Silicon

nitsuga
Dec 31, 2006

It's the only way to live.

yoohoo posted:

So I've got an early 2013 MBPr that I'm getting rid of, but it has a completely busted display. I can't see anything on the screen except for a few flickers of light. I have it setup at the moment so it'll boot to a monitor. I just went to erase the hdd and doing the whole "hold command+R" thing my computer booted to the main display, not the monitor. I can't see anything and I'm not sure what to do. Is there any way I can reformat the hdd without a working display? I.e. have command+r boot to the monitor? I don't have a separate keyboard so I have to keep the lid open. I can get my hands on a keyboard relatively easy if that helps.

But this makes me wonder, once I get through the reformatting I think I'll need to reinstall the OS, and would my computer know to boot to the display? Or would it default back to the display and would I lose the bluetooth connection to the keyboard? Any tips would be helpful.

If you can get your hands on another Mac and the right cables, you might want to try booting it in Target Disk Mode: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac...e-mchlp1443/mac

Then you could wipe the disk from Disk Utility on the host Mac. I wouldnít worry about reinstalling macOS, but I think you could do it with the host Mac in Recovery Mode.

Spoderman
Aug 2, 2004



yoohoo posted:

So I've got an early 2013 MBPr that I'm getting rid of, but it has a completely busted display. I can't see anything on the screen except for a few flickers of light. I have it setup at the moment so it'll boot to a monitor. I just went to erase the hdd and doing the whole "hold command+R" thing my computer booted to the main display, not the monitor. I can't see anything and I'm not sure what to do. Is there any way I can reformat the hdd without a working display? I.e. have command+r boot to the monitor? I don't have a separate keyboard so I have to keep the lid open. I can get my hands on a keyboard relatively easy if that helps.

But this makes me wonder, once I get through the reformatting I think I'll need to reinstall the OS, and would my computer know to boot to the display? Or would it default back to the display and would I lose the bluetooth connection to the keyboard? Any tips would be helpful.

itís a long shot, but maybe try hitting command+F1 when your monitor is plugged in and youíre at recovery mode? thatís the ďmirror displayĒ key command. depends if it recognizes the screen or not and how much of the os they put into recovery mode

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Xabi posted:

I'm thinking of getting a PC for gaming. Is there a simple way of combining that with the 2013 iMac I already have? Boot Camp isn't really an alternative because there's not enough juice in the iMac itself. Can I easily use the iMac as an external monitor for the PC? Or is the best (and, alas, the most expensive) solution to get both a PC and a monitor?

Pretty sure target monitor (ie use imac as external monitor) doesn't work for the 2013, because I tried on mine heaps of times. Go for the monitor.

yoohoo
Nov 15, 2004
A little disrespect and rudeness can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day


nitsuga posted:

If you can get your hands on another Mac and the right cables, you might want to try booting it in Target Disk Mode: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac...e-mchlp1443/mac

Then you could wipe the disk from Disk Utility on the host Mac. I wouldnít worry about reinstalling macOS, but I think you could do it with the host Mac in Recovery Mode.

I do have another Mac. So this would allow me to connect my busted computer to my new Mac and wipe the disk and everything from the new one? I'll look into it. My other thought is taking it to an Apple store and seeing if it's something they do.

Spoderman posted:

itís a long shot, but maybe try hitting command+F1 when your monitor is plugged in and youíre at recovery mode? thatís the ďmirror displayĒ key command. depends if it recognizes the screen or not and how much of the os they put into recovery mode

I tried this but it doesn't recognize the function. The monitor turns on with the screen but stays blank.


Is there any other way to wipe the computer without going into recovery mode? And without manually deleting everything...

EDIT: I was able to blindly grab the disk utility window and drag it to the external monitor, which surprisingly worked. I think I should be in business.

yoohoo fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Sep 4, 2020

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



the_lion posted:

Pretty sure target monitor (ie use imac as external monitor) doesn't work for the 2013, because I tried on mine heaps of times. Go for the monitor.

I believe this is correct. The 2013 iMac can only act as an external display through thunderbolt 2 specifically, meaning it only really works as a display for other macs.

Thunderbolt 2 is the same size as mini display port so itís really easy to try and use a mini display port cable from a windows machine but it wonít work since itís technically not thunderbolt 2

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


This is weird.

I have a brand new Magic Keyboard, MBP 2020 13", latest version of Catalina.

The goddamn keyboard only works when its plugged in with the lightning cable and when I try to use it in Bluetooth, my MX Master freezes up for a bit and the keyboard doesn't work.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


Last Chance posted:

I believe this is correct. The 2013 iMac can only act as an external display through thunderbolt 2 specifically, meaning it only really works as a display for other macs.

Thunderbolt 2 is the same size as mini display port so itís really easy to try and use a mini display port cable from a windows machine but it wonít work since itís technically not thunderbolt 2
You can rig TB output for a PC with the $50-100 TB cards, although might be TB3 only and need another adapter on top of that, and hope it all works right.

Another option might be the newer low latency USB 3 capture cards, depending on type of the games you play and tolerance for lag, I think the Elgato one was like 2 frames off in a video I saw. Thereís random/no name ones too for ~$50 but no clue if they're all the same or performance outside of a few anecdotal forum posts.

(Thereís also $10-20 USB 2 ones that have gotten prominent recently, but the lag was just a bit too much for me, kinda like a really laggy TV)

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



japtor posted:

You can rig TB output for a PC with the $50-100 TB cards, although might be TB3 only and need another adapter on top of that, and hope it all works right.

Another option might be the newer low latency USB 3 capture cards, depending on type of the games you play and tolerance for lag, I think the Elgato one was like 2 frames off in a video I saw. Thereís random/no name ones too for ~$50 but no clue if they're all the same or performance outside of a few anecdotal forum posts.

(Thereís also $10-20 USB 2 ones that have gotten prominent recently, but the lag was just a bit too much for me, kinda like a really laggy TV)

I wouldn't consider either of those two options as practical, but would be very curious if either of those options actually worked well enough for gaming

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

careful now


Cybernetic Crumb

Sent my 2018 MBP in for a keyboard replacement and now it is glorious to type on and Iím so happy itís like the good old days.

The kidís 2016 MBA has a tab key thatís basically dead so I guess itís next, but I donít know if itís covered by the Apple butterfly apology tour.

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japtor
Oct 28, 2005
WELL ARNT I JUST MR. LA DE FUCKEN DA. oh yea and i suck cocks too


Last Chance posted:

I wouldn't consider either of those two options as practical, but would be very curious if either of those options actually worked well enough for gaming
Well if the TB one works itís the same as a regular TB display output. I just know the trick has been used to get TB video output from eGPU boxes, using either a dual slot box or some power->PCIe slot adapter to power the TB card. Basically run DP from the GPU to the card's passthrough/mux and it outputs TB.

USB can really vary cause stuff running on the Mac can potentially cause hiccups or whatever random software stuff affecting things.

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