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EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



58 and 53 TB on my Mac Mini I bought last summer just before the M1 came out. Has been on Big Sur since.... a month or so after it was released to retail? Maybe a bit more after it.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust



I think most of the SSDs are rated for at least 500 tb but the smaller SSDs (under 1tb) don't last as long

American McGay
Feb 28, 2010



Maybe it's Big Sur related? This is from an almost 4 year old iMac that's stuck on Mojave.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


My bet is that it's all down to swapping.

My 16GB M1 Air, showing 0.01TB more written than what I previously reported:

Data Units Read: 16,303,897 [8.34 TB]
Data Units Written: 7,304,932 [3.74 TB]

read:write ratio = 2.23:1

Here's Nitrousoxide's 8GB M1:

Data Units Read: 80,811,470 [41.3 TB]
Data Units Written: 66,062,034 [33.8 TB]

read:write ratio = 1.22:1

Normal desktop use should skew heavily towards reading. However, when the system is swapping heavily, the ratio gets pulled back towards 1:1 since in theory every write to swap is balanced by a future read of the data which got swapped out. The fact that Nitrousoxide's ratio is much closer to 1:1 than mine suggests swapping as the culprit.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




macOS's VM scheme has always been a bit agressive IMHO, I used to wonder why launching TextEdit on top of a few browser windows suddenly opens up a swap file when I have at least a few GB free..

Something that I saw online in one of the many articles about this topic: that Apple's SSD controller isn't necessarily doing things the way standard industry SSD controllers do, so that it's possible that the TBW/TBR figures we're seeing are way off base. Apple probably never figured that there'd be people who'd look that deep into their devices (or didn't care)

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi

Empress Brosephine posted:

Does anyone else Firefox constantly freeze on a M1 Mac mini after wake from sleep?
Yep, also when moving between desktops.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


Binary Badger posted:

Something that I saw online in one of the many articles about this topic: that Apple's SSD controller isn't necessarily doing things the way standard industry SSD controllers do, so that it's possible that the TBW/TBR figures we're seeing are way off base. Apple probably never figured that there'd be people who'd look that deep into their devices (or didn't care)

Nah, I just did some testing and it looks like Apple's reporting units are the same as this random NVMe SSD I googled up:

https://media.kingston.com/support/downloads/MKP_521.6_SMART-DCP1000_attribute.pdf

Kingston documents that 1 count in Data Units Read or Written is equivalent to 512*1000 bytes, so I did this to look at how Data Units Read changes after reading a large file (and dumping it to /dev/null):

smartctl -A /dev/disk0 ; dd if=Install_macOS_11.1-20C69.dmg of=/dev/null bs=128k ; smartctl -A /dev/disk0

I got a change of 23866 Data Units Read, which is slightly more than 23861.9, the size of that disk image in units of 512*1000 bytes. Since I see Data Units Read going up by small amounts due to background activity all the time, we can ignore the small excess.

(note: Run "sudo purge" just prior to running a test like this, it tells macOS to flush its disk caches. Caching can throw tests like this off in a big way.)

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


p.s. Another thing from that Kingston document is that NVME SMART attribute 05, "Percentage Used", is:

Contains a vendor specific estimate of the percentage of NVM subsystem life used based on the actual usage and the manufacturer’s prediction of NVM life. A value of 100 indicates that the estimated endurance of the NVM in the NVM subsystem has been consumed, but may not indicate an NVM subsystem failure. The value is allowed to exceed 100. Percentages greater than 254 shall be represented as 255. This value shall be updated once per power-on hour (when the controller is not in a sleep state).

Nitrousoxide's at estimated 2% lifespan used, I'm at sub-1% (mine shows as 0). I wouldn't be super happy about losing 2% lifespan in 3 months, but on the other hand 50 * 1/4 yr = 12.5 years life at their current lifespan use rate. Which can probably be improved by figuring out how to use less RAM.

(if you haven't ditched Chrome for Safari, Nitrousoxide, hint hint hint)

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





I use Firefox. Safari was actually giving me out of memory errors and crashing.

ChocNitty
Aug 3, 2011


It's crazy that iOS games on my m1 air look better in some ways than ps4 games on my 4k tv. Sonic Racing looks so vibrant, sharp, and smooth with the high fps. I think it's because I haven't had a quality display before.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Your Air does have that Retina Display and its requisite high color gamut that your 4K TV can't really match, so..

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



Binary Badger posted:

Your Air does have that Retina Display and its requisite high color gamut that your 4K TV can't really match, so..

Bonus points if your TV was a $450 Walmart black friday special

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




God drat, I've been bitten by the 2018 MBP Big Sur battery problem too. It was never *great* but gently caress's sake I should be able to get more than a percentage of battery per minute at 75% brightness on a goddamn zoom call with the discreet GPU off.

81% health, 229 cycles.

e: christ I didn't even have an iTerm or wireguard session open just outlook and slack

Crunchy Black fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 24, 2021

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



Crunchy Black posted:

God drat, I've been bitten by the 2018 MBP Big Sur battery problem too. It was never *great* but gently caress's sake I should be able to get more than a percentage of battery per minute at 75% brightness on a goddamn zoom call with the discreet GPU off.

81% health, 229 cycles.

e: christ I didn't even have an iTerm or wireguard session open just outlook and slack

Post the 'power' tab (or energy or whatever they call) it from Activity Monitor

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

How much bullshit are apple people willing to deal with? Infinite.

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




Bob Morales posted:

Post the 'power' tab (or energy or whatever they call) it from Activity Monitor



I had *just* gotten a slack message within the second.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade




Upgrading to 11.2.1 is supposed to fix it, if you haven't already.

If it's still not fixed, you could try bringing it in to Apple, but the recall program is for 2016 and 2017 models.. but I bet you could make a case with that low cycle count and battery capacity.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212163

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!



Crunchy Black posted:



I had *just* gotten a slack message within the second.

Zoom is having it's way with your computer.

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




Binary Badger posted:

Upgrading to 11.2.1 is supposed to fix it, if you haven't already.

If it's still not fixed, you could try bringing it in to Apple, but the recall program is for 2016 and 2017 models.. but I bet you could make a case with that low cycle count and battery capacity.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212163

surprisingly allowed by my JAMF policy. I'll try that now, thanks!

e: the update process has hung lol

Crunchy Black fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Feb 24, 2021

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





Thanks touchbar, found out that I gently rest my ring finger on the F1 key and pivot my hand around that to touch type about 20% of the time

Never heard the error bell noise in the terminal so often

Get hosed, Johnny Ive

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


Hadlock posted:

Thanks touchbar, found out that I gently rest my ring finger on the F1 key and pivot my hand around that to touch type about 20% of the time

Never heard the error bell noise in the terminal so often

Get hosed, Johnny Ive

Um I don't like the touchbar either but

Touch typing, you are doing it wrong

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

3 olives has a payment plan with his phone company for his cell phone

Using the home row with my hosed up Johnny scizzor-hands fingers

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/24/prosser-imac-colors-mac-pro-to-resemble-mac-minis/

that Mac Pro design looks boring as a motherfucker compared to the current model but I’ll take it if the iMac rumor is true

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



and give me MBPs to match the iMacs

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009





Mega-cheesegrater, we hardly knew ye, I guess? And what about all the vaunted expandability that was its whole purpose? Back to trashcan land?

Lol at "nostalgia" for colored iMacs though, since the iMac itself was about 1984 Mac nostalgia

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Data Graham posted:

Mega-cheesegrater, we hardly knew ye, I guess? And what about all the vaunted expandability that was its whole purpose? Back to trashcan land?

Lol at "nostalgia" for colored iMacs though, since the iMac itself was about 1984 Mac nostalgia

give it to me in stupid colors Apple, and I’ll forgive ye for killing off the most interesting surface detailing ye’ve created yet

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT CORTANA WILL BE A CIRCLE AND NOT THE ACTUAL SEXY WOMAN FROM THE GAME.


You can finally get an iMac that blends in perfectly to that retro 1950s style kitchen I've always dreamed about.

Hello Spaceman
Jan 18, 2005

hop, skip, and jumpgate


The Lord Bude posted:

You can finally get an iMac that blends in perfectly to that retro 1950s style kitchen I've always dreamed about.

smegmac sounds kinda gross tbh

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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT CORTANA WILL BE A CIRCLE AND NOT THE ACTUAL SEXY WOMAN FROM THE GAME.


Hello Spaceman posted:

smegmac sounds kinda gross tbh

Very good sir.

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