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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Warbird posted:

Openly devout Catholic has openly devout Catholic views on reproductive rights, news at 11.

I don’t agree with the fellow on the matter but it’s anything but surprising. I feel classifying it as abhorrent is a hair much.

No. It’s abhorrent. Much like the Catholic Church, which has no business continuing to exist in 2025.

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well why not
Feb 9, 2009




to be fair it’s the only church founded by a disciple, so really the presence of an alternate church - and rendering “catholic” as if it’s a choice - is abhorrent, correct.

anothergod
Apr 11, 2016

The Lord Bude posted:

No. It’s abhorrent. Much like the Catholic Church, which has no business continuing to exist in 2025.

This is a cool thing to post in the Mac Hardware channel.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

The Lord Bude posted:

Serious Hardware/Software Crap: Mac Hardware— No. It’s abhorrent. Much like the Catholic Church, which has no business continuing to exist in 2025.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

well why not posted:

to be fair it’s the only church founded by a disciple, so really the presence of an alternate church - and rendering “catholic” as if it’s a choice - is abhorrent, correct.

Incumbency makes you no less fake than aliens in DC-9's

May the Force be with you

16 gigabytes, TimB be praised :worship:

Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Jan 29, 2025

scott zoloft
Dec 7, 2015

yeah same
Jesus = unix
Judas = macos
Pontius pilate = windows

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

scott zoloft posted:

Jesus = unix
Judas = macos
Pontius pilate = windows

Being saved = redundant backups

scott zoloft
Dec 7, 2015

yeah same
Amen

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Whole lotta TempleOS deniers itt. You sinners had best repent.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
The only predictions i believe come from the Oracle at Austin, Texas

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase
TempleOS is still the best, some would even say perfect, way to render a giraffe

EconOutlines
Jul 3, 2004

For those of you who use external storage with Macbooks, what's your setup? I fly often or move around, so the whole unplug/dangle dance will surely be a PITA. A pouch? Mount? Magnet to the lid? Velcro? All seem tacky, but I'd also hate sitting on the couch or in bed at home tethered to an external enclosure.

I'm currently looking at the OWC Express 1M2 Portable NVMe Thunderbolt (USB-C) enclosure and just throwing an NVMe inside. The primary use would be storing LLM models and scratch space, but nothing critical.

I own an M1 Max with a 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 64 GB RAM, and 1TB SSD. SSD space is the only thing I didn't max out since I have a NAS and cloud storage. But there's no way I'm paying 4K+ for even more space with a new model.

The machine is excellent performance-wise, and while a M4 Max with a nano screen and 128GB is tempting, it's not that tempting just for the ~same performance as my M1 Max.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007

Venerado, intrepido, y lagomorfo periodista de primera clase

EconOutlines posted:

For those of you who use external storage with Macbooks, what's your setup? I fly often or move around, so the whole unplug/dangle dance will surely be a PITA. A pouch? Mount? Magnet to the lid? Velcro? All seem tacky, but I'd also hate sitting on the couch or in bed at home tethered to an external enclosure.

I'm currently looking at the OWC Express 1M2 Portable NVMe Thunderbolt (USB-C) enclosure and just throwing an NVMe inside. The primary use would be storing LLM models and scratch space, but nothing critical.

I own an M1 Max with a 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 64 GB RAM, and 1TB SSD. SSD space is the only thing I didn't max out since I have a NAS and cloud storage. But there's no way I'm paying 4K+ for even more space with a new model.

The machine is excellent performance-wise, and while a M4 Max with a nano screen and 128GB is tempting, it's not that tempting just for the ~same performance as my M1 Max.

People have historically used stuff like bespoke USB/TBolt drives designed to mount as flush and unobtrusively as possible, and also ever since Apple has been shipping Macbooks with onboard SD card slots there's been a market of shortened-length SD cards that are meant to semi-permanently fit into there with zero overhang for storage expansion. I had one back in the day after making the mistake of buying a 128gb Sandy Bridge Macbook Air and it was...fine. It gave me some extra space to put poo poo, but it definitely wasn't a replacement for a "real" storage volume and I ultimately replaced that computer with a rMBP with half a terabyte of storage sooner than I had necessarily intended to.

All that said, no idea how workable it would be for storing LLMs/etc, but for documents, images, various files, scratch space, etc it should be fine. Just keep in mind Caveat Emptor when putting mission/life-critical stuff on an SD card. Always have backups of important poo poo, etc.

EconOutlines
Jul 3, 2004

Thanks for the recommendations. Anything in particular that’d you recommend for a bespoke drive or SD card? I’ll have backups so anything dying isn’t a worry. Mainly the irk of having to warranty/replace it is the most I’d be irritated with.

I suspect an onboard SD Card wouldn’t have the transfer speed of a USB/TB3/TB4 but I’ll have to check if that’s “real” speed or not. As in, benchmark numbers vs actually experiencing a difference.

Ironically, for LLMs real-time use isn’t that much of an issue as once you load them into VRAM, they’re done. The main pain point is the initial internet download to the drive or loading the model into LM Studio from the drive later. It becomes an issue when switching models however since you have to dump and pull the new one.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
those samsung drives get rated very highly. they feel very nice too in terms of build quality

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
i'm piggybacking off this question, i guess

just picked up a M4 Mac Mini since I want to turn my gaming PC into a living room PC and use this Mini for music production and personal computing. it's just the 256 GB internal drive, because I'm cheap.

my plan was to pick up an external 2TB SSD to use with it. the idea was that this would take care of two issues for me: I currently don't have any large-format storage (my gaming PC just has a 1TB drive) and I want to start hoarding more stuff, and also by being an SSD instead of an HDD I could use it for sample storage for music production, which really needs to be faster than a spinny disk for Ableton to work well. now, I know SSD reliability is generally trash, so my plan is to pair that with cloud backup - currently just Dropbox since I have a 2TB plan and should just be able to set a folder the drive as the Dropbox folder on my Mac. theoretically simple!

unfortunately I bought this Crucial X9 Pro that has been on sale all month on Best Buy, which El Bromance tipped me off in another thread is notoriously unreliable for Macs (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4079930). this just arrived today so I thankfully should be able to return it without issue.

what's a better 2TB external SSD? anything to watch for when shopping to avoid problems like this? i was thinking about this samsung T7 2TB drive: https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Portable-SSD-2TB-MU-PC2T0T/dp/B0874XWW23

my understanding is that the two speed options are basically USB for 1 GB/s (like the X9 and the T7), or thunderbolt for 2 GB/s. seems like thunderbolt 2TB drives start at $250 or so and that just doesn't seem worth it to me

i was pretty surprised to see m2 enclosures are like $20-40, would pairing that with like the slowest m2 i can find (since obviously i'm not going above 1 GB/s) make sense? are there any budget M2s that actually have reasonable reliability and wouldn't be more than that samsung's $150 when paired with an enclosure? guessing probably not but figured i should ask

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

Merry Fucking Christmas



Personally I would just recommend going with a dedicated NVME enclosure and installing your own SSD into it. I have a few and have installed SK Hynix P31 Gold’s into them, both 1TB and 2TB, and they’ve been running cool and great.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
sounds good, figure i'll just pick up the Hynix you suggested plus one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RVC6F9Y?tag=hawk-future-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&ascsubtag=tomshardware-us-1715758114109073415-20

i'm half tempted by the goofy usb-c dock with integrated nvme slot but i already have a usb-c dock so it'd be very silly to get that. what a product, though

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

You
Need
A
NAS


But in all seriousness, it's not particularly hard to pop the thing open and chuck in a larger drive if that's something you're open to.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
Hey I'm the one that mentioned that Crucial seemingly having issues cause I went through it too :hfive:

abraham linksys posted:

sounds good, figure i'll just pick up the Hynix you suggested plus one of these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RVC6F9Y?tag=hawk-future-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&ascsubtag=tomshardware-us-1715758114109073415-20

i'm half tempted by the goofy usb-c dock with integrated nvme slot but i already have a usb-c dock so it'd be very silly to get that. what a product, though
Looks like that one has the bridge chipset of choice (Realtek 9210) so should be fine. You can update the firmware (through a Windows VM) with the stuff here if you choose.

I got this 2TB WD one for my NAS and seems fine there, and this 4TB Samsung for my Mac mini (in another Realtek based enclosure) which seems to be running fine.

There's a crapload of dock/hub things with NVMe...but I don't trust them. Haven't looked much lately with all the generic ones, but I remember a lot of complaints about the previous Mac mini matched ones having drive reliability issues.

And I think Warbird is referring to the relatively recent spat of Mac mini drop in upgrades that have been coming out (need another ARM Mac to actually complete the install though). There's this Amazon listing but not shipping for a few weeks, while everyone else has basically gotten them off AliExpress. There's some online sites that have popped up specifically for them but probably still all sourced from the same places.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

At the risk of starting an argument over Catholicism again the video linked in the post below does a decent job of explaining the process and available options in plain language.

nerox posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLtE2kMTVOQ

Jeff Geerling just did a video on the aftermarket 2tb upgrade.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Warbird posted:

At the risk of starting an argument over Catholicism again the video linked in the post below does a decent job of explaining the process and available options in plain language.

I gave up extra storage for Lent :newlol:

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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Mister Facetious posted:

I gave up extra storage for Lent :newlol:

Idiot. A real Catholic would just designate SSDs as fish.

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