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Last Chance posted:There's no way they redesigned the Macbook Pro to the Retina version in less than a year. The non-Retina and Retina mid 2012 were both introduced simultaneously in June 2012, it's easy to conclude that they had the Retina on the back burner for some time before release. The 2012 non Retina was just a bump up to Ivy Bridge from Sandy Bridge. Apple never released another non-Retina Pro after 2012. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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I'm just pleasantly surprised that there might be some reasonable used value for the 2005 and 2008 vintage Airport Express bricks I have collecting dust in a drawer, if people still hoard them for audio.
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realistically, anyone that cares that much about audio quality would get an a external soundcard/dac/whatever anyway.
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Binary Badger posted:One thing I've noticed is that MicroCenter is still a good place to find EOL'ed Apple accessories like the Fifth Generation AEBS. What is the fifth generation airport express?
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Aug 14, 2018 04:32
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kitten smoothie posted:I'm just pleasantly surprised that there might be some reasonable used value for the 2005 and 2008 vintage Airport Express bricks I have collecting dust in a drawer, if people still hoard them for audio. Assuming they work. Mine is the last model. tuyop posted:I think my tb3 dock has one of those optical ports but I have absolutely no idea what it’s even for. I’ve been confused about them since I saw one on, I think, my PS2.  It’s to bypass the built in DAC and send a digital audio signal to a receiver/amp/mixer/TV/whatever. It’s like the exclusively audio version of HDMI vs component analog.
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KingEup posted:What is the fifth generation airport express? AEBS = AirPort Extreme Base Station. hth
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Proteus Jones posted:AEBS = AirPort Extreme Base Station. Ah, ok I thought we were talking about optical ports but that was a later post about airport express.
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Binary Badger posted:The non-Retina and Retina mid 2012 were both introduced simultaneously in June 2012, it's easy to conclude that they had the Retina on the back burner for some time before release. The 2012 non Retina was just a bump up to Ivy Bridge from Sandy Bridge. Right, so Steve obviously had a say in what ports were on the rMBP and it wasn't some fan fiction revenge scheme that you mentioned
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EL BROMANCE posted:I used to use the optical out on my iMac, because the noise produced by the analog 3.5mm was horrific. Not in an audiophile 'the jitters are wrong man!' way, but more physical noise than actual signal sometimes. Repairable I'm sure, but I had the cable anyway. That feature was one of the best features of Mac hardware of the time, imho :[
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Proteus Jones posted:AEBS = AirPort Extreme Base Station. Heh, what's the acronym for the express then?
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Last Chance posted:Right, so Steve obviously had a say in what ports were on the rMBP and it wasn't some fan fiction revenge scheme that you mentioned With Apple, truth is stranger than fanfics
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Aug 14, 2018 16:04
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The first gen retinas where horrible. The integrated video cards at the time could not handle that resolution at all. Iirc, it wasn’t until the 3rd gen that you could use the integrated video without lag on the desktop.
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Aug 14, 2018 16:38
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Looks like Apple is actually standing by its commitment to support cheesegrater 2010/2012 Mac Pros. Folks on MacRumors are reporting that in Mojave DP7, Apple has actually updated the firmware on Mac Pro 5,1s.. the new version is 138.0.0.0, the last version on High Sierra is 0089. It seems to add the following features: 1) Updated microcode (to protect against Spectre / Meltdown) 2) Longstanding issue where non-Mac version AMD GPU cards ran at 2.5 GT / sec instead of 5 GT / sec. 3) Requirement of EFI-based GPU to upgrade firmware removed, firmware update now works regardless of GPU EFI compatibility #2 and #3 have long been the bane of the 5,1 community. Wow, rewriting the firmware on an eight year old machine, who'da thunk it..
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Sky falling? 2012 was the last cheese grater? I might have to pick one up.
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Dunno where you got that from, just commenting that it's amazing that Apple is going to the trouble of rewriting the firmware for an eight year old machine just so it'll be compatible for a new OS.
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Aug 14, 2018 18:08
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Joking! Yes that is great news. Those cheese graters are going to get run into dust for another 10 years.
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Shaocaholica posted:Sky falling? 2012 was the last cheese grater? I might have to pick one up. If you pick up a 4,1 you can upgrade the CPUs yourself (TOTL and near-TOTL are readily available used for relatively little money as they were used in a lot of servers) reflash it and turn it into the 12 core 5,1 model of your dreams for usually less than a 5,1. There are a lot of guides and kits available online.
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ratbert90 posted:The first gen retinas where horrible. The integrated video cards at the time could not handle that resolution at all. Iirc, it wasn’t until the 3rd gen that you could use the integrated video without lag on the desktop. Nah, I had one and it was fine.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:If you pick up a 4,1 you can upgrade the CPUs yourself (TOTL and near-TOTL are readily available used for relatively little money as they were used in a lot of servers) reflash it and turn it into the 12 core 5,1 model of your dreams for usually less than a 5,1. There are a lot of guides and kits available online. Yeah but will a 4.1 take the new Mojave firmware written for a 5.1?
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Sure, if it's flashed to a 5,1 beforehand.
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So wait are 4.1s and 5.1s the exact same base hardware as far as the firmware is concerned?
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Shaocaholica posted:So wait are 4.1s and 5.1s the exact same base hardware as far as the firmware is concerned? The hardware and chipsets were identical, the only difference was new CPUs. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/05/firmware-hack-can-transform-a-2009-mac-pro-into-a-12-core-monster/ I have a six-core 4,1 -> 5,1 Mac Pro and it's pretty nice
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The one thing you have to be careful of is that the dual-socket 4,1s have delidded CPUs vs the lidded CPUs of the 5,1. You want to make sure that you're extremely careful when reattaching the heatsinks over lidded CPUs so you don't damage the pins, or you can buy delidded CPUs from kit sellers (or delid them yourself if you're feeling froggy/have access to a lid remover).
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How would I do a RGB mod to my 2016 MacBook Pro keyboard?
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ratbert90 posted:The first gen retinas where horrible. The integrated video cards at the time could not handle that resolution at all. Iirc, it wasn’t until the 3rd gen that you could use the integrated video without lag on the desktop. iirc the desktop lag in first gen Retina got fixed in a software update. Also, I have a 2nd gen (2013) model, run it scaled to 1920 equivalent all the time, and the integrated gpu does fine with no lag.
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Housh posted:How would I do a RGB mod to my 2016 MacBook Pro keyboard? Step 1: buy a Asus ROG monstrosity. Step 2: put apple sticker on there.
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tuyop posted:Step 1: buy a Asus ROG monstrosity.
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Posting from my 2009 MBP17. Man this form factor is nice. Just put a retina display on it and keep all the physical dimensions/KB/TP the same 
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Binary Badger posted:Looks like Apple is actually standing by its commitment to support cheesegrater 2010/2012 Mac Pros. poo poo, this might just be what convinces me to dump a 1080Ti into this old girl and run with it for another year or two. 
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How do those old Xeon chips compare to modern stuff? Like if I was stupid enough to try and rehabbing an old Mac Pro what kind of performance would I get out of it? My 2011 Mac Mini i5 still runs pretty well with just 2 cores. It sounds like an 8 core Xeon from 2010 would probably still work pretty well.
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I bet they use more electricity than a bitcoin farm
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Krispy Wafer posted:How do those old Xeon chips compare to modern stuff? Like if I was stupid enough to try and rehabbing an old Mac Pro what kind of performance would I get out of it? They're great, but make sure you get one for a reasonable price. PSU replacements aren't cheap (and are obviously used units) and even the newest machines are 8-9 years old now. That being said, mine is a dependable as hell workhorse now that I use it as a daily, rather than constantly loving around with it.
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2008 MBP15 non-unibody - bench toy 2009 MBP17 - daily 2011 iMac27 - daily 2012 MBP15 non-retina - keep at work daily 2014 rMBP13 - too new, wifu daily All maxed out and on SSDs. Nothing in daily web/design use is taxing on any of them.
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Mu Zeta posted:I bet they use more electricity than a bitcoin farm TDP on the Xeons are between 110w and 150w so not too much worse than your standard i7, and that includes the single cpu, 12 core chips.
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It should be noted that at one point Apple was putting 1 KW power supplies in the Mac Pro. Here's typical power consumption taken from the 2010 4,1 models, not any different from the 5,1. 125 W (Quad-Core Idle) 218 W (Quad-Core CPU Max) 162 W (8-Core Idle) 248 W (8-Core CPU Max) 145 W (12-Core Idle) 285 W (12-Core CPU Max) The more cards/RAM/peripherals you load up, the more power you'll draw, I'd imagine the 1 KW supply assumes every RAM and expansion slot, and ports are being used. The Mac Pro 4,1s and 5,1s have server-class components meant to last a long time and provide high availability. Don't bitch at me as to why they never made 2U form factors. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Just got a 2015 13". Man that keyboard is a spongy fucker. Also it feels noticeably thicker than a 2016+. Weird. And the sumbitch sent me a 45w charger with it. Also some benchmarks. Scientific process was 'run Cinebench a bunch of times and save the best results' 
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Get back to us when you slap on the recommended 60W charger, unless you already had one hooked up.
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Binary Badger posted:Get back to us when you slap on the recommended 60W charger, unless you already had one hooked up. Actually had the 80-some watt 15" charger plugged in
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Theophany posted:They're great, but make sure you get one for a reasonable price. PSU replacements aren't cheap (and are obviously used units) and even the newest machines are 8-9 years old now. That being said, mine is a dependable as hell workhorse now that I use it as a daily, rather than constantly loving around with it. I just bought a new OEM PSU last year for my (flashed) 2009 cMP - it was expensive, but my Mac Pro will probably last another several years I bet. Edit - my only planned change is to swap the GTX 980 with a Radeon RX 580. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Are the new Mac Pros supposed to be out by the end of 2018? They were always out of my budget, but a maxed out 2008 Mac Pro for under $600 sounds really tempting - their multi-core geekbench scores rival most modern CPUs.
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