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Subjunctive posted:The kid’s 2016 MBA has a tab key that’s basically dead so I guess it’s next, but I don’t know if it’s covered by the Apple butterfly apology tour. https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks Sorry, nope, only the 2018/2019 MBAs qualify, you may just have to pony up for a new keyboard.
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japtor posted:You can rig TB output for a PC with the $50-100 TB cards, although might be TB3 only and need another adapter on top of that, and hope it all works right. This is *insanely* not true due to how Intel used to license Thunderbolt. Please go buy the gigabyte branded card on Amazon, install it on a motherboard without an integrated TB controller and tell me how well it works.
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Subjunctive posted:Sent my 2018 MBP in for a keyboard replacement and now it is glorious to type on and I’m so happy it’s like the good old days. It's not, as Binary Badger pointed out, but it's worth noting, if you live near an Apple Store, that maybe half the times you just stroll in on a lazy day, they pencil you in for a quick appointment and just fix it or find some way to make things better for you. A friend of mine had his phone replaced out of warranty just because, I'm guessing, he seemed like an innocent dumb guy. LODGE NORTH fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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Crunchy Black posted:This is *insanely* not true due to how Intel used to license Thunderbolt. https://egpu.io/forums/builds/thunderbolt-3-on-amd-x399-threadripper-rtx-208032gbps-tb3-razer-core-x-win10-1803-itsage/ https://egpu.io/forums/builds/thunderbolt-3-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-gtx-108032gbps-tb3-aorus-gaming-box-win10-1803-itsage/ Here’s a blurb about the TB header: quote:It can work without the TB3 header. The TB3 header is for force-power, hot-plug, and sleep state. Force power is not required if the drivers can detect when a device is connected and can properly enumerate and enable the usb controller of the thunderbolt controller. Hot-plug and sleep might work without the header if the firmware and drivers allow it. In my old 2008 Mac Pro where there is no thunderbolt firmware, Windows can detect when Thunderbolt devices are connected but can't enumerate them and allocate resources for them if resources weren't previously reserved. In that case a restart with the Thunderbolt devices connected is required to actually use the Thunderbolt devices. https://egpu.io/forums/builds/late-2018-mac-mini-wx-910032gbps-tb3-mantiz-venus-thunderbolt-3-monitor-output-macos-10-14-1-itsage/
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LODGE NORTH posted:It's not, as Binary Badger pointed out, but it's worth noting, if you live near an Apple Store, that maybe half the times you just stroll in on a lazy day, they pencil you in for a quick appointment and just fix it or find some way to make things better for you. A friend of mine had his phone replaced out of warranty just because, I'm guessing, he seemed like an innocent dumb guy. Yeah, it's these stories that are why I like Apple and their customer service... except the Scottsdale Apple Store up at Kierland Commons; gently caress that place. I was in getting a battery replacement one time and an actual innocent dumb guy just needed an out-of-warranty battery replacement on his iPhone. I think it was a 6S, but the Apple store employee who was helping him talked him into buying a new one by lying to him about it no longer being supported by iOS and thus the battery replacement would be a waste of money on an old phone. But I also might just chalk it up to it being Scottsdale, because gently caress Scottsdale.
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Last Chance posted:I believe this is correct. The 2013 iMac can only act as an external display through thunderbolt 2 specifically, meaning it only really works as a display for other macs. just to draw a bit more attention to this: it's not just the same size, the port is literally the same form factor (on purpose) just like current tbolt uses USB-C. yeah, gotta look for the lightning bolt on the cable.
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Sent from my iPad posted:Thinking about switching from a RMBP to a 2020 iMac since I'm tired of CPU throttling, constant very high fan noise, and Bluetooth problems. I haven't bought a desktop Mac in over a decade, though, and was curious if anyone here had bought the i9 variant. This french youtube review (the auto-translate works ok) had a lot of throttling with the i9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_TB5e7NfrY
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DuckConference posted:This french youtube review (the auto-translate works ok) had a lot of throttling with the i9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_TB5e7NfrY 
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Who knows, but if they were smart they'd go for a daughterboard model like on the last of the 2012 Mac Pros, so that they could conceivably be upgraded to newer CPUs as they come out. To me the current 'new' Mac Pro is a dead end, its based around a single Xeon CPU with a maximum of 28 cores.. you can get an HP with dual Xeons and 56 cores already.. I get the feeling that Apple, should they make an AS Mac Pro, won't bother to put more than 2-4 CPUs, and I'm thinking they're probably stick with two even on the Pro because of cooling issues. They've probably learned a lot since the days of the liquid cooled G5s, seeing that the cooling on the iMac Pro is adequate, but I'd bet good money they're never gonna throw too much resources behind cooling foe the future..
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Liquid cooling has advanced tremendously in quality and reliability since Apple had to get Delphi to design an AIO in 2004. I doubt they'll use liquid cooling in the future, still, but I don't think it would have the problems it had 16 years ago.
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I expect them to stick with single-socket on an Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Many reasons: * rising core counts per socket have steadily pushed more of the server/workstation market to single socket. Apple already decided 28 cores in 1 socket was enough for Mac Pro customers. They could've gone dual- or even quad-socket if they wanted to, Intel has products for that, but did not. * they should be able to put more CPUs on a single die than Intel does. That's already been happening with other big ARM chips. For example, Amazon's Graviton2 has 64 Neoverse N1 cores on a single chip. * it's a lot of extra engineering work to support multi-socket, and all the problems that come with it. Trying to maintain performance and cache coherence when half (or more) the cores and memory are a slow, high-latency hop away is a very difficult problem. Note: from all I can find, Graviton2 doesn't bother with multi-socket support, and if even Amazon with its giant warehouses full of dense cloud compute servers doesn't feel the need, why would Apple? This decision will have nothing to do with cooling. The engineering on cooling is trivial and easily solved compared to the challenge of designing workstation / server silicon, and in turn designing a single-chip standalone CPU is easy compared to designing ones which support being linked together into a multi-socket big machine.
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yeah i mean it's ridiculous to think about but i do like the idea (as with so many ridiculous things) of them just going gently caress it we shoved eight unconstrained apple chips in here, it's pretty fast. doubles as a space heaterBobHoward posted:* they should be able to put more CPUs on a single die than Intel does. That's already been happening with other big ARM chips. For example, Amazon's Graviton2 has 64 Neoverse N1 cores on a single chip. cheers for the update on other modern ARM CPUs. that's cool. i always wondered about the latency, etc., that must cause headaches in that sort of environment. thanks.
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FuturePastNow posted:Liquid cooling has advanced tremendously in quality and reliability since Apple had to get Delphi to design an AIO in 2004. I doubt they'll use liquid cooling in the future, still, but I don't think it would have the problems it had 16 years ago. While it has advanced, air cooling has also advanced via greater development/understanding of heat pipe design, fin materials/density, and also vapor chambers. Apple should avoid liquid cooling at all costs.
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I don't care how far it's advanced, you will never see a major consumer item with liquid cooling.
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American McGay posted:I don't care how far it's advanced, you will never see a major consumer item with liquid cooling. Apple-wise I agree, but Lenovo would like to have a word with you...
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SourKraut posted:Apple-wise I agree, but Lenovo would like to have a word with you... HP Omen, Alienware, Falcon Northwest, etc. Basically every high end gaming desktop you can buy today has liquid cooled models. Apple isn't going to go there again, probably. But above a certain price point, it's extremely common in desktop computers. And not just the home-built ones.
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New Apple Event, next week, September 15, 2020 at 10:00 AM PDT, 1:00 PM EDT
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Somehow I highly doubt they'll announce a 14-inch AS MacBook Pro at this event.
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Binary Badger posted:Somehow I highly doubt they'll announce a 14-inch AS MacBook Pro at this event. So, which Apple Silicon-based machine will they announce? The end of 2020 is only three months away. Do we think they are going to do another fall event?
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Last Chance posted:So, which Apple Silicon-based machine will they announce? The end of 2020 is only three months away. Do we think they are going to do another fall event? they often announce macs in october. can’t recall them ever announcing macs at the september event
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still fingers crossed for return of the glorious bitsymac 12-inch with rad apple chips. it’s like the platonic ideal of my loving around laptop
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Based on what's known so far, it's possible we might get performance similar to 15"/16" Intel MBPs in an ultralight, which would be p. cool IMO. If true it'll be like the 2011 MBA all over again, except perhaps more so, and I am all about it. (The 2011 MBA was when Sandy Bridge improved perf/W so much over previous Intel chips that suddenly the MBA's CPU was about as fast as a Mac Pro 1,1.)
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BobHoward posted:Based on what's known so far, it's possible we might get performance similar to 15"/16" Intel MBPs in an ultralight, which would be p. cool IMO. I get what will realistically happen and what the rumors are saying. If we do get a new 12", it'll be an ultralight machine occupying a low-power niche in the MacBook stack. It might have way better performance than any Intel-based computer that size ever has, potentially matching the flagship workhorses of today, but it'll still probably be a 'portability (and maybe cost) > power' notebook. I'm talking about a full-fat Macbook Pro: power of at least the 14" in an ultraportable body. That's why I went back to the Powerbook. It's something totally dumb and flex-y and nonsensical, but also weird and awesome. The flagship pro/prosumer model that's physically smaller and much more capable than its more mass-market sibling. I'm curious to see how Apple breaks down performance between the lines with the new chips. Will we at least get a 13/14" Macbook Pro that matches the 16" now that AMD won't be supplying dGPUs? Will we still see such an insane performance gap between the two sizes?
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BobHoward posted:Based on what's known so far, it's possible we might get performance similar to 15"/16" Intel MBPs in an ultralight, which would be p. cool IMO. as is it's almost certainly going to at least feel a good bit faster than my current 2012 rmbp
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I got so sick of my usb3 hubs all flaking out in weird and wonderful ways that I finally bought a thunderbolt dock in the hopes that poo poo would just work reliably. I never move any of this stuff from my desk so I feel like it's reasonable to think it will work the same way every day when I sit down at my computer to work. Things were great for the last 2 weeks but now I only get 30hz on my 4k display when the MacBook is in clamshell mode. This was previously fine for 7+ days of constant use but now its decided it won't do it any more for ¸,o¤°✰ ReaSonS ✰°¤o,¸ even though literally none of the hardware or software has changed. MBP 16" 2019 CalDigit TS3+ Dell U2718Q (4k, connected via DP->DP cable) Dell U2715H (1440p, connected via Usb-c->DP cable Considering its unlikely I'll ever be working in an office again I should just buy myself a new Mac mini and put this loving laptop in a drawer. At least I'll get USB ports and screens that work, and I won't have to put up with it's noisy fan anymore.
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My most reliable usb hub is a $19 Beat Buy Insignia
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Granite Octopus posted:I got so sick of my usb3 hubs all flaking out in weird and wonderful ways that I finally bought a thunderbolt dock in the hopes that poo poo would just work reliably. I never move any of this stuff from my desk so I feel like it's reasonable to think it will work the same way every day when I sit down at my computer to work. Tried a reboot (LOL)?
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Would ARM silicon provide a sufficient size reduction to fit in a decent battery in a 12” form factor? I think battery life is what restricts smaller size offerings.
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cowofwar posted:Would ARM silicon provide a sufficient size reduction to fit in a decent battery in a 12 form factor? I think battery life is what restricts smaller size offerings. Drinking 80% less power and producing 80% less heat will also help battery life.
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No discrete graphics on a SoC setup. No difference from an intel layout. FWIW I really don’t like the miniature hand dryer effect of laptops and anything that avoids that is A+ for me Leave the gaming and video rendering and hundred docket container software builds to desktops with heatsinks the size of grapefruits. Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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cowofwar posted:Would ARM silicon provide a sufficient size reduction to fit in a decent battery in a 12” form factor? I think battery life is what restricts smaller size offerings. i'd argue that the eight or nine hours is fine for most people - but more to the point, i never really had a problem with the battery life of my 11-inch air, either. i'm not expecting there to be no heat, my ipads have gotten hot as gently caress doing intensive things in the past. but i'm sure it'll still be manageable with better passive cooling.
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redeyes posted:Tried a reboot (LOL)? Ironically it was rebooting that kicked this loving madness off. Ok Comboomer posted:Does the DTK have a fan in it? I haven't seen any leaks or teardowns yet, would love to find out.
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