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Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Kenshirou posted:

I mean having not used FW800 (I've only owned Macbooks and a Macbook Air since my 2006 iMac) I'm assuming it will make copying files that much easier. Any recommendations for an enclosure? I usually just buy whatever's cheap and has solid material, but the Macally ones look pretty solid, if not overpriced. I have a 1TB SATA 3 drive waiting to be dropped in, but in the meantime I'm using my USB 2.0 portable drive, which is taking forever.

All the FW800 capable enclosures I've seen are around the same price. They are more expensive than USB only enclosures, but in my experience FW800 blows USB2 out of the water in terms of performance.

Most of the enclosures are probably very similar (fan-less, aluminum construction, Oxford chipsets). I'm using an OWC Mercury Elite Pro myself. They offer them with drives installed or just the bare enclosure.

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Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Yup.

Finally bit the bullet and shelled out for one of these to replace my stock drive.

On that note, what is the deal with third-party drives and unibody MBPs? I've been reading tons of horror stories about conflicts with Apple's SMS, excessive head parking, SATA I/II linkspeed negotiation problems, having to revert EFI versions, and constant beach-balling. I'm hoping that I won't encounter any of that, but anyone here want to chime in?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

All cheap Macbooks on CL are scams.

Seriously, all of them. I've responded to maybe over two dozen ads for cheap i5/i7 MBPs and every. single. one. has been a variation of the same scam.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



SourKraut posted:

Yeah, I'm hoping that maybe either later this year (Black Friday? Probably not...) maybe we'll see some additional great deals again, something similar to the deal Newegg had on the WD SiliconEdge Blue 256GB SSD back in June.

I'm still kicking myself for missing that deal by a matter of seconds :argh:

I want cheap(er), high(er) capacity SSDs now, damnit!

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



vlack posted:

I am having an occasional problem where the trackpad and keyboard will just not work, which is extremely frustrating because it feels random. I've opened up the laptop quite a few times to replace hard drives and fix things so the tape that was once over the keyboard<->motherboard connector has totally lost all of its stickiness, and I want to replace it in hopes that it will solve my problem.

Is this an early 2008 (pre-unibody) or late 2008 (first unibody) MBP? If it is a pre-unibody I know that my brother's had an issue where the cable from the trackpad was getting pinched and shorted. It seemed very random until we discovered that it was pressure related. You can determine if this is the problem by pressing down firmly on the top case, especially on that area between the trackpad and the keyboard, while checking to see if the keyboard and/or trackpad stop working.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



z0331 posted:

From briefly reading the descriptions, I got the impression the Magic Mouse sort of combined the two devices and could act like a mouse but then use gestures. Guess that's not quite correct?

Your impression is correct but the issue is that mice and trackpads just don't mix well.

Well, I guess they could, but no one has really managed to do it well yet. And Apple doesn't have the greatest track record when it comes to mouse design anyway :downsgun:.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Actually, I bought a Trackpad to use with my Macbook Pro but I haven't opened it up yhet.

You need to send that poor thing to someone who can appreciate it. Like me :).

I really want a trackpad to use while my MBP is "docked" at home. So expensive, though :(.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



actionjackson posted:

I went out for a few hours and left the display up and it wasn't as warm. I assume it was going to sleep when I closed it because that white light was flashing on and off slowly. Right now it feels okay. Is there a reason that the left speaker area (by the inputs) is always warmer than the right speaker?

Maybe I should try using the "Sleep" menu option next time I want to do that instead of just closing the lid.

The left side is where most of the heat-generating components are (right side is dominated by the optical drive).

When the machine is sleeping it should be generating very, very little heat. Had yours been actively charging the battery when you noticed this?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Eight Is Legend posted:

Does my 15" MacBook Pro (late 2008) support up to 8 GB ram or what's the max?

According to Mactracker the late 2008 will do 8GB. The early 2008, however, will only do 6GB.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Eight Is Legend posted:

Sweet, will these do:

Your MBP will only do 1066MHz. That RAM should be able to operate at the lower clock speed, but you could probably save a few bucks and just get a slower set.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Typo, or real word?




El Duke posted:

Also, never pay retail for Macs. Go refurb, or MicroCenter deals, or Education Center, or Amazon first. Apple Store prices are last resort. Definitely check Apple Refurbs: they're good as new, carry the same warranty, and you'll get plenty of people advocating them from personal experience in this thread and elsewhere.

This is true. My last two MBPs have been refurbs and they were/are perfect. My brother recently bought a refurb 2011 MBP that had the optical line-in switch stuck on and Apple actually mailed him a new machine next-day.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



FCKGW posted:

Personally I would never buy a plastic piece of poo poo computer ever again.

Good thing Apple stopped making the Macbook then!

I loved my first-gen white Macbook, but even the last model they produced doesn't hold a candle to the aluminum unibodies in terms of build quality.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



El Duke posted:

Right Click, then scroll hit a menu option? What a waste of effort.

Three finger double tap on the trackpad. Double tap above the Apple logo on my Magic Mouse.

Edit: It's not a Safari thing. It's system wide. http://www.cultofmac.com/106505/how-to-get-a-dictionary-definition-anywhere-in-os-x-lion/

Holy poo poo! :aaaaa:

I can never remember the keyboard sequence. This is so much easier.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



shodanjr_gr posted:

Having done significant amounts of gaming on my MBP, I think you are overreacting.

Honestly, this whole "cooling stand" fad is a sad testament to the lovely quality/design of generic gaming laptops...

Yeah, MBPs run hot and that's just how it is. They won't damage themselves barring defective hardware.

I do run smcFanControl, though, and set my fans at 4-6k rpm before doing things liable to run the temperature up for extended periods of time. But that's more to eliminate the rubberbanding I've noticed the fans tend to do and keep them and the temperature stable.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



BlackMK4 posted:

Not snarky or anything: Why would GPU issues show up in a screenshot?

Because the GPU is rendering every frame that is displayed?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Mr. Clark2 posted:

Command arrow jumps between different elements on the page, buttons, etc :(

Works in both Chrome and Safari on my MBP (and in just about any other program I've ever tried it in). I can't imagine why it would be different for you...

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



illcendiary posted:

My guess is that they're just passing along the cost of someone potentially buying one $69 drive and using it for multiple Lion installs (which is less of a risk with a digital download).

As opposed to pulling the installer image out of the download and putting it on your own $15 flash drive?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



illcendiary posted:

As if the average person knows how to do this.

Well, given that the average person probably doesn't even know that Apple offers an official USB flash drive and that the entire first page of google results for "installing lion on multiple computers" is examples of multiple downloads or burning your own optical discs/flash drives, I'd say that is a pretty good assumption.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



They appear to be static pages, though for what purpose I have no idea. http://www.apple.com/support/repairstatus/repair_detail2.html is also valid.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Abel Wingnut posted:

My 13" MacBook Air's fans will not shut up. I've disabled Flash and done a bunch of things to the software that I thought would help. Any ideas?

Have you opened up Activity Monitor to check for runaway processes?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Rabid Snake posted:

So my girlfriend lost her MBP charger and I'm letting her borrow my old 60w MBP charger. The thing is, it's a 15" MBP, which usually comes with a 85w charger. Is it okay to use that for a short period of time until she gets a new one?

Is it important to buy a replacement charger from Apple only? It's pretty steep at 80$ to buy a new charger...

It should be fine for temporary use. It might not charge as fast, and I guess it's possible that under high load the system might draw more power than the smaller charger can supply in which case it would actually drain the battery.

As for 3rd party chargers, keep in mind that Apple has not given anyone else license to use their magsafe connecter so anything you find is going to be on the sketchy side just from that alone.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



big cheese posted:

Is there any reason why my MBP (Late 2008) is running so hot? It hasn't dropped under 85C for a long time now with the fans at max speed, this is with just Chrome, iTunes and Sparrow running. Plugging in my external to watch a movie bumped it up to 105C :(

editing as I type this: MplayerX, what a lovely program. It had two processes running even after I quit it, basically forcing 100% CPU usage.

My Laptop could still cook meat, though.

I've had MPlayerX running for *checks uptime* 17 days straight now having played all sorts of video files and haven't had a problem. Not that I doubt it can happen, but MPX has been incredibly stable for me and I can't recall ever having to force quit any of its processes.

Under heavy load Macbook Pros will run genital-broiling hot even with the fans pegged. Unless you are gaming or rendering video, adobe flash is always usually to blame.

<edit> Or Dropbox. gently caress Dropbox and its lovely Finder plugin/extension that pegs your CPU anytime you have more than six icons displayed.

Oneiros fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 26, 2012

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Rabid Koala posted:

Is it normal for a MacBook Pro's battery to be at 17% health after just 45 cycles? I mean, Christ, I've only had this computer for over a year.

Given that mine is at 95% after 97 cycles/roughly a year I'm going to vote "no" on that.

Are you out of warranty? I've had defective batteries replaced out of warranty in the past (first gen intel macbook) but I was also told to suck it when my previous MBP's battery conked out overnight a week out of warranty.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



After coming to the epiphany that I don't need to carry around hundreds of gigabytes of shameful porn anime, complete archives of the This American Life and The Diane Rehm Show podcasts, and terrible music that I literally haven't listened to in years, I finally made a Responsible Financial Decision™ and ordered a Samsung 830 SSD for my 2010 MBP.

While I'm gleefully rubbing my hands in anticipation of saturating my poor, poor SATA II bus, are there any OS X specific tips/tricks running a non-Apple SSD? Most of the information I find is either horribly out of date or just plain stupid/neurotic like disabling Spotlight or fine-tuning the position of the EFI partition so that blah blah blah :words:. I'm not even sure whether I need to enable TRIM, since evidently Samsung built in their own garbage collection.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Boris Galerkin posted:

Oops no, upgraded to 8 GB recently.

The only thing I can think of is when I cloned with CCC from the old hard drive to the new SSD I didn't turn off FV2 so I don't know if that would have any affect. Right now I have FV2 disabled on the SSD though (well it was automatically disabled, because I guess I can't enable it without the recovery partition which wasn't cloned). Don't know if I should try recloning again with FV2 explicitly turned off before but it took an hour…

FV2 is disabled because 1) it is completely transparent to CCC which just clones what the filesystem presents to it and 2) you don't have a recovery partition anymore. There is no point in cloning again because the result is the same with or without FV2.

If you are going to want to use FV2, you will need to do a regular install and then restore from a time machine backup or similar.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Mu Zeta posted:

That doesn't sound right. Which SSD do you have? I put in a Crucial M4 in my 2011 MBP and it booted up in 15 seconds.

He's running a 2010 13" MBP, which is a C2D according to Mac Tracker, so I imagine it's going to be a bit slower. Still, 45 seconds does sound like spinny disk speeds.

The 830 in my 15" 2010 gets me from cold boot to usable desktop in 25 seconds, including typing in my 27 character FV2 passphrase. :iia:

Oneiros fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 6, 2012

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



BlackMK4 posted:

Leave it on.

But hibernatemode 0 is so fast. :circlefap:

Seriously though, I've been running my laptops in mode 0 for over six years now with no issue. Unless you regularly run the battery down to near empty, leave it sleeping for months at a time, or have a complete battery failure it's not going to cause any problems.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Star War Sex Parrot posted:

This breaks down the hibernate modes.

It's odd that he's reporting mode 0 being faster to wake, because wake time should be the same as default in almost every scenario. Going to sleep in mode 0 should be faster though since it doesn't write the RAM contents to disk before powering off.

The only reason to use 0 is to save on SSD space/write cycles and even that's debatable.

Yeah, wake time is the same between modes 0 and 3 (assuming you don't lose power). The main benefit of mode 0, for me, is the ultra-fast sleep. Close the lid and you're ready to go right then and there.

Honestly, it probably doesn't make that much of a difference with a SSD but I'm doing it out of habit from when I had a slow-rear end 5400 RPM Hitachi that took geological ages to sleep in mode 3 (and also liked to cause kernal panics when the SMS triggered during the sleep process).

e. Extra 8GB of free space doesn't hurt, either.

Oneiros fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jun 7, 2012

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



flavor posted:

I may be wrong and it's not like I really care about it, but I vaguely remember a Jony Ive piece from circa 2008/9 on the Apple site about the 17" where they bring up the "battery" (not batteries) and they're showing this big rectangular thing.

You might have been thinking about this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-diaQlJmS18

It was more about the importance of developing new battery technology and switching to non-removable batteries to increase capacity.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Astro7x posted:

Will Bootcamp partition a hard drive with data already on it? Or will it wipe the whole thing clean when it partitions? It's been quite awhile since I did a partition, and last time I did I had to format the entire drive.

Boot Camp Assistant non-destructively shrinks your current boot volume to make room for a Windows partition. Backing up is still highly advised, though.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



pctD posted:

I'm having a bit of an issue trying to install an SSD into my 2009 MBP (core2duo, 4gb RAM). The install of the hardware went fine, and I created a bootable Lion USB stick and can get all the way to the install process. However, the install says its going to take 15+ hours to complete. In the installer log, it shows that its copying packages to the drive but is just taking forever. The USB stick is fine, I've tested the read/write speeds on it and it should not be taking this long.

Is it possible the HDD is bad, or is there some issue with installing from a USB stick I'm unaware of?

Sounds like something has gone horribly wrong. Installing Lion from a usb flash drive to a SSD shouldn't take more 20 minutes, 30 tops if your flash drive is poo poo.

Is the SSD new? Did you do anything weird like write it full of 0s in disk util?

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Transistor Rhythm posted:

You can do what you're asking with either the Magic Mouse or the Magic Trackpad.

I don't know if this was intentional or if you just made a typo, but to be totally clear neither the Magic Mouse nor the Magic Trackpad recognize simultaneous left and right "clicks".

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Boris Galerkin posted:

When does anyone need to simultaneously left and right click at the same time? Even with CAD programs I don't think I've ever had to do that (though the mouse control scheme for every single god drat CAD program is different so who knows).

Some programs use left+right for panning or zooming the camera. A lot of FPS games use the combination too (ex minigun barrel spinup on the right button, fire on the left).

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



ilc23 posted:

Can Macbook Pro's boot off the SD drive?

There really isn't much that you can't boot a mac/OS X off of. Keep in mind, though, that 2010 and prior MBPs had the SD reader on a USB bus with all the limitations that entails. The 2011 and later models moved it to the PCI bus IIRC.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



I'm pretty sure that Apples recommends a minimum of one charge-cycle per month. If those 14 cycles were spread out over a year it (probably) should not have wrecked the battery like that. If, however, you went 11 months straight on AC power before pulling two cycles a day for a week I could see that loving things up.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Lexicon posted:

I thought the whole thing with the latest vintage of MBAs is that the SSDs are soldered on? Is this not the case? If so, as a recent purchaser of a 11", :dance:.

They're not soldered on, though I think RAM is. They are on a custom daughter-board that is different from the previous gen MBA.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



krooj posted:

Question - My 2011 i7 15" MBP gets stupidly hot when doing anything remotely CPU intensive, like playing flash video or compiling. Is it worth going into the machine and checking whether Apple was too "liberal" in their application of thermal paste? Other than that, is there any benefit to upgrading the installed fans to the newer design?

VVVVV - The CPU temps run into the high 80s (Celsius) and the fans ramp up to 6K RPM, and it's annoying as gently caress.

Flash is poo poo and will always hammer your CPU. Also, 80ºC is nothing. My 2010 will hit and sustain 95º while under heavy load with the fans running at "takeoff" RPMs.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Unless I'm missing something, he's just making a single LVM out of two drives? Where's the fancy caching going on?

I think the OS is doing it automagically when it realizes that it has a LV spanning a SSD and a HDD.

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



PaganGoatPants posted:

I'm finally using my Macbook Air fulltime :toot:

Only questions I have are how do I change the trackpad double-click speed and what is a good mouse to use with it since my Logitech G500 only half works?

For some obscure reason, the double-click speed adjustment is buried in the Accessibility --> Mouse & Trackpad prefpane.

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Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



fleshweasel posted:

Isn't it an iMac?

People steal iMacs. In fact, unless the original owner is just a humongous rear end in a top hat there is a good chance that the "used" iMac in question here is stolen property.

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