resistentialism posted:

Please tell my multiple shields work well, with the understanding that I'm not, not going to add in multiple shields.

Red_October_7000 posted:

At the very least if you have more than 2 arms and have multiple shields, and one arm gets cut off, you will still have a shield! Speaking of which, what effects bleeding out? I've had fighters lose a limb and keep chewing through multiple opponents (delivered in a serial fashion), and other times a lost limb leads to an almost-immediate death through bleeding.

Vox Nihili posted:

Smaller species bleed out easier. I think toughness may also play a role.

ZeeToo posted:

The game models bleeding out pretty well, actually. The larger you are, the more little cuts you can take. If you have better endurance/recuperation/toughness, you can take hits better. Not sure which exactly governs what there.

Only a few things will make you bleed out in short order. Major damage to the heart, gut, or the removal of limbs will do it--in ascending order of how much time you have left. I've seen a few unfortunate gladiators attempt to keep fighting while down up to three limbs, though that's never ended well for that guy.

Edged weapons with a larger contact area deal more grievous blows, though they are less effective against armor they can't cut through. A spear point doesn't leave much of an injury; it's more a pin-prick. A great axe or halberd against a soft target will often bisect the unfortunate victim (in a test, I saw a human halberdier cut a yeti in two at the waist). Keep in mind that weapon size is independent of its wielder; a yeti holds the same dagger that a gremlin does.

You don't get much of a bleeding problem from bashing weapons, and there's a few other ways to kill a target.

megane posted:

Yeah, I entered a Kobold, but here's how every single test against a larger opponent goes:

The Minotaur 1 charges at Kobold 22!
Minotaur 1 collides with Kobold 22!
Kobold 22 is knocked over and tumbles backward!
[Several lines of kobold dismemberment]
Kobold 22 has been struck down.

Spending a huge number of points on dodging just adds several dozen lines of block/dodge spam to the top. I know supposedly dodge helps you avoid stuff when prone, but it seems like an unskilled guy attacking a prone Kobold with Dodge 10 and a buckler still hits nearly all the time. Oh well.

Jack the Lad posted:

Jazzimus Prime posted:

Cool! Where did you get this? Did someone actually disassemble Toady's code and try to read the binary?

Toady posted:

Let's say we've got a weapon with damage 65. The craft quality modifier is applied to that, so say it was well-crafted and we therefore have 65*6/5. This is 390/5 = 78. Let's say the metal modifier is 75%, so it's then reduced to 58. This is divided by 10, 5. And then we pick a number from 1 to 5, say, 4. 4 is greater than (5+1)/2=3, so this attack is marked as "strong", and is therefore eligible for stuck-ins.

So we have a 4. Say the attacker is "strong" (str=1). We apply a modifier from 0 to 1, then. Say we get it, for a damage of 5. Say the attacker is berserk (0-4) and charging (0-5). Let's say those two rolls net us 4 more. Now we are a 9.

Now say the defender has a thick damblock 2 skin. We remove 0-2 points from our attack value, say 1. Now we are at 8. We then look at the size difference. In this case, let's say the attacker is 3 sizes larger. We add 0-3 points to the attack, say 2. Now we are at 10. If the size were smaller, you just flat subtract that number (no randomization).

Let's say the defender has a toughness of 2 (very tough, or whatever). We subtract 0-2, say 0. Still at 10. Being berserk/enraged can lower the attack damage if the defender is in that state, by 0-4, though I'm not sure why. I might intended the trance there, but I don't remember my rationale. In any case, still at 10.

Now say the defender is lying on the ground. The attacker isn't using a latchable attack, so we have the huge x2 damage bonus that comes from smacking a prone opponent. Now we are at 20.

Now we get to the defender's armor. Look at all of the items which cover the struck part, say the upper arm, and use the second/main damage block there according to all the up/down step stuff. Say there are two items on the part, blocking it for a total of 20+30=50. Craftquality and material modifiers work as with weapons, changing this to say 45. Then skill rolls are made against armor skill. The defender gets a good roll and manages to double the value, attaining a 90. This is divided by 10, giving us 9. Now we take 0-9 off the damage value, say 5. Now we are at 15. At this point, if the attack is at 0, and a very hard roll is made against the skill-modified hit roll, there is a chance it gets raised to 1 regardless of all prior obstacles. This in particular allows highly-skilled or lucky fighters to injure gigantic creatures.

Anyway, we are at 15. This is a very hard hit, so we apply all manner of horror to the creature. If the weapon is bludgeoning, it'll cause 15/2=7 bleeding, 15*10=150 exertion, 15*5=65 pain, and mangle the once healthy arm to 15-15=0, completely mangled. The damage is also greater than 9 and not piercing/goring/burning/etc., so the target can be propelled. If the weapon were slashing, the bleeding would be much greater (15). It wouldn't get stuck in because the creature can still be propelled by slashing weapons. There's also the whole matter of criticals, which I won't go into. And severs, which would have happened with a slashing weapon if we had gotten to 16 or if the part were already damaged in any way.

Jack the Lad posted:

Toady posted over on the bay12 forums.


Also interesting is that the final attack number is multiplied by 2 if the defender is prone and the attacker is standing. So if you're bigger than someone you have a ton of advantages because everything compounds.

Jack the Lad posted:

Also interesting is that the final attack number is multiplied by 2 if the defender is prone and the attacker is standing. So if you're bigger than someone you have a ton of advantages because everything compounds.

Jack the Lad posted:

Well if you look at the attack formula, not taking armour into account:

Vox Nihili posted:

I'm almost entirely sure that this is an old formula that has been largely superseded by changes made in recent versions. For example, "material" and "quality" are no longer just flat variables dropped a single equation, and actual damage dealt (what the equation is showing) is no longer a simple numerical value.

As complicated as this equation looks, the current version is far, far beyond this.

Asehujiko posted:

Is there a chance that the number of contestants will be boosted to 256 if we approach that number or will the battle royale be even more ?

SynthOrange posted:

George is going to make some new friends, and hug them and pet them and aww they broke.

Anticheese posted:

Somehow my tigerman fighter got entered in despite having no points to spend?

Shorter Than Some posted:

Is there any way to save a build to make testing less tedious?

Jazzimus Prime posted:

Sometimes proxy servers put backslashes in front of form-input quotation marks for some strange reason. I'll fix it for you as soon as my broadband internet comes back online _{I'm having to post this from my Android for the moment}

edit: My broadband is back up and I've fixed it for you.

Shorter Than Some posted:

Is there any way to save a build to make testing less tedious?

quote:

Is there a chance that the number of contestants will be boosted to 256 if we approach that number or will the battle royale be even more ?

Kwathi posted:

Glad to hear there is still space, though I haven't got my registration at the Arena Challenge site confirmed yet. I'm assuming there's just a backlog, or people are actually out having lives. Anyway, hoping to have the chance to present the best adequatest least worst most easily talked into a near-certain death goblinkind has to offer!

Halloween Jack posted:

My fighter, Lon Chaney's Lover, is having the same issue. TIA

Goatie posted:

Well then... I was curious about this last year, but I never entered because... well, it seemed intimidating to me. Size charts and numbers and large log files! But I'm willing to try it now that there's a new thread and I'm more confident with numbers. Yes, delicious, delicious numbers... and dwarves. Tasty dwarves.

Adus posted:

It's intimidating as hell to me, too. I don't really know anything about DF at all and picking skills for any sort of game always stresses me. That said it's not like I have much to lose by entering. The Bulbous Loaf will either die a glorious death or get very lucky. Probably the former.

Jack the Lad posted:

How big are the Battle Royales going to be?

We have 32 contestants at the moment.