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Kgummy posted:The only thing I'm afraid of is that Asotil will accidentally die sometime later in the adventure, and Katia will be blamed for it, and end up in the Imperial Jail. Another good thing about this adventure is that it could theoretically end whenever it wants, if Katia is meant to be the Oblivion PC. She just has to get thrown in jail when Kazerad figures it's a good point to stop. 
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Pollyanna posted:Another good thing about this adventure is that it could theoretically end whenever it wants, if Katia is meant to be the Oblivion PC. She just has to get thrown in jail when Kazerad figures it's a good point to stop. And if he decides to pick it up again, she can just use that lockpick she has on her. Gross. Also, knowing the events of oblivion really helps one enjoy this comic more. For example, no one who hasn't played it will really know why everyone get's all weird when people talk about Kavatch. VVV ok. The reason people get weird about Kavatch is probably because it has been destroyed in the Oblivion invasion. This cycles the rumor mill often at the beginning of the game, so supposedly it happened just before that. Vinigre fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jul 31, 2011 |
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Mind spoilering it for someone who doesn't know said events?
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I'm only at the beginning of Oblivion, around Weynan Priory, but I don't think I've heard about the Kvatch thing either.  Maybe I'm not far enough.edit: Oh.
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Kgummy posted:The only thing I'm afraid of is that Asotil will accidentally die sometime later in the adventure, and Katia will be blamed for it, and end up in the Imperial Jail. I suspect that Gro-upp will kill him, which makes me afraid as well. And I like both of them, all though Gro-upp is a bit of a jerk.
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Kgummy posted:The only thing I'm afraid of is that Asotil will accidentally die sometime later in the adventure, and Katia will be blamed for it, and end up in the Imperial Jail. There's no way Katia is going to get thrown in jail for killing him unless she royally fucks things up. Mainly because the Countess hates Asotil so much Katia would get something like a medal for killing him. (Of course I just got through the dinner party, so I'm only playing off the information I know and things could be different at this point) I'm glad this thread exists, because it finally got me to actually read Prequel. It's a whole lot better than I first expected.
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Jul 31, 2011 06:22
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Kvatch doesn't burn down until you get a little ways through the plot in Oblivion. It's still intact at the start of the game and iirc you can even go there.
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Jul 31, 2011 06:29
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Guys she already said she wants a drink once and now she's away from adult supervision. Is Oblivion like a lot of RPGs where you can find the oddest loot on monsters? Please say they can't carry wine 
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Shavnir posted:Guys she already said she wants a drink once and now she's away from adult supervision. Is Oblivion like a lot of RPGs where you can find the oddest loot on monsters? Please say they can't carry wine
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Android Blues posted:Kvatch doesn't burn down until you get a little ways through the plot in Oblivion. It's still intact at the start of the game and iirc you can even go there. Really? I thought that you're prevented from that somehow.
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Jul 31, 2011 15:54
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Nope, it's always a flaming ruin
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Volmarias posted:Really? I thought that you're prevented from that somehow. It exists before the king is killed, but you're in prison.
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Jul 31, 2011 16:57
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I just read through the entire series over the past few days. Now I realize the pace of the story isn't going to hold my interest for long, so maybe I'll come back to it in 3 months or so. If I remember.
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Android Blues posted:Kvatch doesn't burn down until you get a little ways through the plot in Oblivion. It's still intact at the start of the game and iirc you can even go there. I think if you go there before the main quest sends you there, it's blocked off and guards say there's some weird poo poo going on so you can't enter. There's a mod where you can participate in rebuilding it after the end of the main quest, though.
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I read this at work, actually enjoyed it a lot more than the actual game. The art is great and it's funny as hell. Couple things really bugged me, though, to the point where I didn't really bother to go back and read it past the point I left off: 1. The way he plays the sexuality. He has the character's clothes fall off every 10 panels and makes innuendos every 2 or 3, and then acts all superior and squicked out when the thread gets people saying "she's hot!! have her gently caress so-and-so!!" And then draws some more lizards in panties. YUP ALL PART OF THE STORY 2. 95% of the time, the character is really cute and likable and sympathetic, but then out of nowhere there's these super conservative/misogynistic shots. "If only you hadn't had too much to drink, you wouldn't be such a slut! You might even still be a virgin! It's your fault you got raped by an orc!" It's like holy poo poo dude. Slow your roll.
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I kind of thought that was the character's self-loathing being expressed hyperbolically through internal monologue.
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Haledjian posted:I read this at work, actually enjoyed it a lot more than the actual game. The art is great and it's funny as hell. Couple things really bugged me, though, to the point where I didn't really bother to go back and read it past the point I left off: I dunno, I think those clothes off moments were more about comedy than sexuality. And even if he was going for innuendo it's kind of a big leap to go from there to lesbian interspecies sex. Either way I got the feeling that he set those situations up just so that he could go "haha psych she's not at all interested in other girls." I see that as being more anti-alcoholic than misogyny, since she does things that are bad regardless of gender while drunk. Blacking out and having sex with a skeleton isn't really acceptable whether a man or woman. And I don't think that was rape or anything, just more of the aforementioned bad decisions. Still, I'm not really sure if we're supposed to take his voice as her own conscience or what. That's the way I've read it, anyway.
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Phylodox posted:I kind of thought that was the character's self-loathing being expressed hyperbolically through internal monologue.  Zenzirouj posted:I see that as being more anti-alcoholic than misogyny, since she does things that are bad regardless of gender while drunk. Blacking out and having sex with a skeleton isn't really acceptable whether a man or woman. And I don't think that was rape or anything, just more of the aforementioned bad decisions. Still, I'm not really sure if we're supposed to take his voice as her own conscience or what. That's the way I've read it, anyway. It just feels like, to the author, she can either be a virgin or a whore. I mean, as Phylodox pointed out, the reliability of the narrator is kind of vague, and it's possible that all this stuff is representational of her own psychological hangups, and that she'll eventually learn that her own sex drive shouldn't be a source of shame. It's possible. It would be pretty impressive for a webcommic. But so far I don't think we've seen anything to suggest that's gonna happen. edit: also yeah unless the orc dude and necromancer dude were also drunk out of their minds (which isn't implied so far as I can see) they could be convicted of rape if they lived in America!
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I got the impression that she was the narrator, or that the narrator was relaying her thoughts, not their own. I mean, one of the main themes of the story is how much of a failure she thinks she is and how much she hates herself.
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Phylodox posted:I got the impression that she was the narrator, or that the narrator was relaying her thoughts, not their own. I mean, one of the main themes of the story is how much of a failure she thinks she is and how much she hates herself. Pretty much. The narration is basically first-person with the pronouns mixed up.
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Oxxidation posted:Pretty much. The narration is basically first-person with the pronouns mixed up. I think it's an example of the rare second person perspective.
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Phylodox posted:I got the impression that she was the narrator, or that the narrator was relaying her thoughts, not their own. I mean, one of the main themes of the story is how much of a failure she thinks she is and how much she hates herself. Oxxidation posted:Pretty much. The narration is basically first-person with the pronouns mixed up. Haledjian posted:I mean, as Phylodox pointed out, the reliability of the narrator is kind of vague, and it's possible that all this stuff is representational of her own psychological hangups, and that she'll eventually learn that her own sex drive shouldn't be a source of shame. It's possible. It would be pretty impressive for a webcommic. But so far I don't think we've seen anything to suggest that's gonna happen.
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Do you mean "Oblivion fanfiction about a slutty alcoholic cat"? It's a bit crude, but I think it's just a silly description. We could go into a huge discussion about devaluing words and patriarchy and double standards, but I think it might be reading a bit too much into it.
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Phylodox posted:I think it's an example of the rare second person perspective. You know the only reason I ever remember second person perspective is because it was specifically used in the old choose your own adventure books. Given its a choose your own adventure style comic I think second person is probably accurate.
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Phylodox posted:We could go into a huge discussion about devaluing words and patriarchy and double standards, but I think it might be reading a bit too much into it. This. I think it's a little early for this thread to degenerate into something like this. It's a fun silly comic about a catgirl learning magic and turning her life around and meeting people far stranger than her.
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Zenzirouj posted:I dunno, I think those clothes off moments were more about comedy than sexuality. And even if he was going for innuendo it's kind of a big leap to go from there to lesbian interspecies sex. Either way I got the feeling that he set those situations up just so that he could go "haha psych she's not at all interested in other girls." - Webcomic on internet about some dude comes to a point where it is explicitly stated that the dude's male friend is gay. Audience response: "Oh, uh, well, good luck with that." - Webcomic on internet about some lady comes to a point where it is explicitly stated that the lady's female friend is gay. Audience response: "gently caress HER IN THE EAR AND DRAW GRAPHIC PICTURES" I don't think the issue is with the author. I think the issue is with the readership. Re the virgin thing, I think he's implying that alcohol turned her life down a pretty lovely path and she would probably be looking for a soulmate instead of a one night stand at this point. I don't think it's implying that she's either chaste or she's a slut. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Aug 1, 2011 |
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Phylodox posted:Do you mean "Oblivion fanfiction about a slutty alcoholic cat"? Fudge Handsome posted:This. I think it's a little early for this thread to degenerate into something like this. It's a fun silly comic about a catgirl learning magic and turning her life around and meeting people far stranger than her. It's a fun, silly comic that I really like but which every 25 pages punches me in the face with some really nasty poo poo. If it was just irredeemably awful like Cerebus or something I wouldn't even want to bother talking about it. Volmarias posted:- Webcomic on internet about some dude comes to a point where it is explicitly stated that the dude's male friend is gay. Audience response: "Oh, uh, well, good luck with that." 
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Haledjian posted:Oh yeah I'm not saying some of those guys aren't awful. I do think the author is leading them on a little more than he admits though. eg "Can I stay at your house?" "Well okay but we will have to sleep together because there is one bed and for some reason you can't sleep on the floor. Also I normally sleep in my underwear, which I will do again now even though you are sleeping in the bed next to me and for some reason I can't make an exception." "Ok!" "PS I'm gay" Floor is cold, whatsherface doesn't want to kick out katja but knows that staying in the same bed will be awkward, tries to get her to just GO without being a jerk. Kind of like if a hot mess of a hot girl wants to spend the night with you, and you have one bed. And no floor. And god you hope you don't get a boner because that would just lead her on and you really don't want that. Honestly, none of these motives don't make sense, although some are a bit contrived for humorous purposes. OTOH we're seriously analyzing the motives of a loving webcomic pandering to the worst of internet nerds.
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Cyrodil has yet to know the wonders of the air mattress.
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Toss some ponies and Portal references into this. If you're going to attempt to make the dumbest thing ever created you might as well go the distance.
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Haledjian posted:I don't think it's a degeneration, as long as people post respectfully & in good faith. I agree! These are really interesting opinions I haven't seen pop up elsewhere online. I want to throw in my two cents though: Like a few others have already said, the narration is intended to be from Katia's point of view. There is a lot of subtext in what she says, and it is intentional. It does not necessarily represent my views. Among other things, Katia is definitely somewhat misogynistic. She's someone who has been called a worthless whore so often that she has accepted it as truth. She, her goals, and the demeaning language she uses to describe herself have all been shaped by years of people speaking down to her. Her comments about sexuality are also in her voice, not mine. A recurring aspect to her character is that - despite her promiscuity - she never talks positively about her sexual experiences (or sexuality in general). Take the following line for example: quote:Without the nightmares [...] You never would have become an alcoholic. You wouldn’t have to live off other peoples’ charity. You’d probably still be a virgin, too. As for the places where I called the story "slutcat adventures" or described it as "oblivion fanfiction about a slutty alcoholic cat", that was partly in jest and partly as a tactical move. I admit I try to misrepresent the story when describing it. Depression/alcoholism are relatively mature topics to handle, and if readers enter the story expecting me to handle those tactfully, they're probably going to be disappointed and a little offended. When they go in expecting Slutcat Adventures, their preconceptions are exactly what I want them to be. I've found that if you can set a low expectation from the get-go, exceeding it is easy. Anyway, hopefully that clears some things up. I can definitely understand why you would assume Katia's voice was my own. I mean, I've read books where I thought "wow, this author is great at writing from a highschooler's perspective" before checking out their other work and realizing they just wrote like a lovely highschooler. The best I can say is to rest assured that I recognize and have control over the subtext in my characters' statements. At the very least, rest assured that I am not a horrible person! (though Katia may be?) Haledjian posted:Oh yeah I'm not saying some of those guys aren't awful. I do think the author is leading them on a little more than he admits though. eg "Can I stay at your house?" "Well okay but we will have to sleep together because there is one bed and for some reason you can't sleep on the floor. Also I normally sleep in my underwear, which I will do again now even though you are sleeping in the bed next to me and for some reason I can't make an exception." "Ok!" "PS I'm gay" I've been commended before for mimicing MSPA's "sprit", and I think big part of that is trolling readers. If you can lead them on and then piss them off, they like your story more for some reason. At least MSPA people do. EvilKosh posted:Toss some ponies and Portal references into this. If you're going to attempt to make the dumbest thing ever created you might as well go the distance. I do admit I try to take the worst ideas and make them work anyway. If I succeed, it means I win. I might try pony/portal crossover fanfiction next, I'm not sure. Volmarias posted:OTOH we're seriously analyzing the motives of a loving webcomic pandering to the worst of internet nerds. And yeah, I read pretty much every Prequel discussion on the internet.
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Kazerad posted:I do admit I try to take the worst ideas and make them work anyway. If I succeed, it means I win. I might try pony/portal crossover fanfiction next, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what you win or what your definition of winning is, but good luck with that I guess? I'm just going to laugh at you, and that will be it.
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EvilKosh posted:I'm not sure what you win or what your definition of winning is, but good luck with that I guess? I'm just going to laugh at you, and that will be it. Wow, what's your problem?
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Tardstar posted:Wow, what's your problem? Every thread needs it's own luckyellow. Thanks for dropping in, Kazerad. It's always great to hear an author respond to people's criticism/praise of their work, plus it's even better if they can fit in and make the thread fun!
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Radio Paranoia posted:It's always great to hear an author respond to people's criticism/praise of their work, plus it's even better if they can fit in and make the thread fun! If you really wanted to talk to the author, there's actually an official suggestion/discussion thread on the MSPA Forums. I hear you don't even have to pay ten dollars to register there.
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Chwoka posted:If you really wanted to talk to the author, there's actually an official suggestion/discussion thread on the MSPA Forums. I hear you don't even have to pay ten dollars to register there. That's kind of a weird thing to say in response to someone thanking the author for posting here. I mean I get that people sometimes go overboard with the whole "hey can we get _______ an account?!" thing but Kazerad just sort of showed up and made some good points in response to the conversation that was going on? Nothing terribly strange about that, really.
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Tardstar posted:Wow, what's your problem? Radio Paranoia posted:Thanks for dropping in, Kazerad. It's always great to hear an author respond to people's criticism/praise of their work, plus it's even better if they can fit in and make the thread fun! In particular, it's neat reading the assumptions people make about me. Apparently, a lot of people assume I am female from my writing? At least one person genuinely thought I was a recovering alcoholic writing from experience (!!!). The common assumption seems to be that I'm putting more of myself into these characters than I actually am. I guess if people think I'm writing from experience, it's kind of an unintentional compliment? Kazerad fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Aug 1, 2011 |
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Zenzirouj posted:Blacking out and having sex with a skeleton isn't really acceptable whether a man or woman. get this anti-skeleton bigotry out of here Kazerad posted:My Little Portal 
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EvilKosh posted:I'm not sure what you win or what your definition of winning is, but good luck with that I guess? I'm just going to laugh at you, and that will be it. I give this guy like maybe Three popped collars out of five. On the "Heh"ometer.
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